Doctor Strange Supreme vs Toujou Karuna - Battle for 5th Strongest 7-B

[ThanatosX]

Doctor Strange Supreme Post-Fusion Key is used, assumed as 7-B physically.

Toujou second Key is used.

SBA is assumed and speed is equalized.

Who wins?

Doctor Strange Supreme:

Toujou Karuna:

Incon:

 

[DontTalkDT]

What does he do against Karuna just instantly stealing all of his abilities with a thought?

 

[ThanatosX]

What does he do against Karuna just instantly stealing all of his abilities with a thought?

How powerful is this sealing? Does it works on 4-D haxes, can it seal his 2-A AP with magic and does it work on inanimate objects like the Time Stone?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

What does he do against Karuna just instantly stealing all of his abilities with a thought?

Pseudo-off topic but is only steal magic? Right?

 

[DontTalkDT]

How powerful is this sealing? Does it works on 4-D haxes, can it seal his 2-A AP with magic and does it work on inanimate objects like the Time Stone?

It is not sealing, it's stealing. He just permanently removes capabilities, which shouldn't really interact with the amount of power involved.

Pseudo-off topic but is only steal magic? Right?

No. Magic is one thing, not magic related supernatural skills are included as well. As are artistic skill and other natural learned knowledge-based abilities like martial arts. Ki and race traits (like the natural skills of vampires) should be included in the category of "skills" in the verse and hence be stealable.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

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No. Magic is one thing, not magic related supernatural skills arr included as well. As are artistic skill and other natural learned abilities like martial arts. Ki and race traits (like the natural skills of vampires) should be included in the category of "skills" in the verse and hence be stealable.

What about weapons? Like a power armor?

 

[DontTalkDT]

What about weapons? Like a power armor?

The skill needed to wield weapons can be stolen. The weapon itself not. Well, not via that skill.

He could use space magic to apport objects if needed.

 

[ThanatosX]

It is not sealing, it's stealing. He just permanently removes capabilities, which shouldn't really interact with the amount of power involved.


No. Magic is one thing, not magic related supernatural skills are included as well. As are artistic skill and other natural learned knowledge-based abilities like martial arts. Ki and race traits (like the natural skills of vampires) should be included in the category of "skills" in the verse and hence be stealable.

How does this stealing works exactly, and on what was shown to be used against? Because a lot of Strange powers in this key aren't really magical skill that he learned, he simply absorbed them from other creatures. Techinally speaking, this ability should also be limited to what he was shown to steal, so if he never stolen, for example, 4-D Fate Hax I don't think that he would be able to do such thing.
There are also the Sling Rings, which Strange can use to open up portals and BFR to a completely separate 2-A structure, and that object is also not something related to any skill.
Strange can also rely on the Time Stone, which is completely separate from himself and is something that rappresent time itself, existed since the beginning of everything and it's powers aren't reliant on skills or anything else, so I doubt that he can steal the power of that object.

 

[DontTalkDT]

How does this stealing works exactly, and on what was shown to be used against? Because a lot of Strange powers in this key aren't really magical skill that he learned, he simply absorbed them from other creatures.

Well, one thing it worked against was coincidentally skills that were stolen from other creatures lol

So the stealing work against both.

Techinally speaking, this ability should also be limited to what he was shown to steal, so if he never stolen, for example, 4-D Fate Hax I don't think that he would be able to do such thing.

The dimension plays no role here (at least as long as strange himself is 3D, which he is). Karuna isn't absorbing the power behind the technique. When he steals your magic skills it's not like your mana pool vanishes. What he steals appears to be the knowledge/skill/talent required to do this stuff, not the power. So the dimension doesn't matter.

What Fate is concerned: It works against supernatural luck at the very least. Also, if said fate hax is accomplished via magic, the fact that Karuna can definietly steal the knowledge and affinity necessary to use magic at a basic level would still disable it. (Given Strange's Fate Manip doesn't seem very battle applicable to start with)

There are also the Sling Rings, which Strange can use to open up portals and BFR to a completely separate 2-A structure, and that object is also not something related to any skill.

Wrong, you can't just give anyone a sling ring and they can immediately use them. Strange needed training to learn how to use them and, as said, Karuna can steal the skill necessary to use weapons. (Not that you would ever get a flying precognitive with space magic and supernatural luck to end up in such a portal anyway)

Strange can also rely on the Time Stone, which is completely separate from himself and is something that rappresent time itself, existed since the beginning of everything and it's powers aren't reliant on skills or anything else, so I doubt that he can steal the power of that object.

I don't think any average person can use the time stone. Pretty sure you need a certain degree of knowledge to do so. Remember how opening the thing alone requires a spell (that Strange put there for protection) and how when he uses it there are always magic circles involved? Pretty sure without his magic knowledge/skill that stuff isn't going to work.

 

[ThanatosX]

Eh, fair I suppose. This ability seems kinda broken, althought it looks borderline NLF.
I guess they can share the spot throught speed unequalized, at worst.