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Donquixote Doflamingo vs Nagato (Pain)
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i got to go with nagato
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Nibbler3100 said:
DD has insane endurance and highspeed attacks to boot, he can easily attack people who are a kilometers away via string-stuff, i think that is not some kind of weird genjutsu-sh*t gets involved DD wins, aside from deva path and soul-taker-path any path who could be dangerous?
the summon-path gets cut with the summoned animals in mere moments, the asura path will get cut into pieces before firing anything, the king-of-hell-path will die as fast as the chakra-absorbing path,
the only way how i see the paths winning is if DD doesnt have intel and doesnt try to kill soul-absorbing-path at first, other than him i dont see how nagato wants to win, the deva path could push him back but for powerful pushes or pulls he needs time to recharge ^_^
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Sounds good any other thoughts like how would he deal with the Chibaku Tensei or Almighty Push?
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chibaku tensei is the one where someone becomes a moon right? if so than i wouldnt set it past DD to cut all large stones who try to capture himNibbler3100 said:
and allmighty push has a timelimit depending of at least 5 seconds between each use, eith his strings or his body-speed i wouldnt think that it is to small for him, DDs also tanked a damn lot of damage and still fought, allmighty push never showed to inflict hugh individual damage ^_^- 2,870
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Nagato even if Doffy is faster he still has hax and versatility over him
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how? nagato has some decent hax but all paths except the soul and deva one will be one-shotted, and if he an use parasyte he could control the body of the paths itselfCHILLVIBEZZ said:
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This is Nagato not the six paths of pain right?
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i thought that since OP wrote "nagato (pain)" he meant nagato at the fight with konohagakure, meaning: the 6 paths and him far away...CHILLVIBEZZ said:
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Uh ok then still Nagato is one tier higher and wins in my opinion ....
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Doflamingo could literally one-shot any of the paths of Pain; against the six paths Chou Shinra Tensei, and Chibaku Tensei are his only threats (except maybe Naraka path hax) but there's it's not enough; he'd tear through the whole group before they even have the chance to put him down.
Against Nagato proper, it's closer, and they can both one-shot with their best moves, but I think Doflamingo's more likely to land the critical hit. Could probably go either way though.
Against Nagato proper, it's closer, and they can both one-shot with their best moves, but I think Doflamingo's more likely to land the critical hit. Could probably go either way though.
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Nagato high dif.
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Explain yourself lolBaniesabeni said:
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Hmm....
According to current profiles:
Destructive Capacity:
Speed
Both at best are MHS speed.
Durability
Donquixote: Mountain
Nagato City
That's really drastic.
Normally it'd be even...if not for Nagato's puny durability compared to Donquixote's.
Donquixote takes this one high-mid to low-high difficulty.
According to current profiles:
Destructive Capacity:
- Nagato: Island
- Donquixote: Mountain
Speed
Both at best are MHS speed.
Durability
Donquixote: Mountain
Nagato City
That's really drastic.
Normally it'd be even...if not for Nagato's puny durability compared to Donquixote's.
Donquixote takes this one high-mid to low-high difficulty.
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I agree and furthermore only Nagato's Strongest Chibaku Tensei attack is Island Level regularly his Shinra Tensei is City Level+, still not strong enough to take Doflamingo's String attacksSkodwarde The Almighty said:
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I agree and furthermore only Nagato's Strongest Chibaku Tensei attack is Island Level regularly his Shinra Tensei is City Level+, still not strong enough to take Doflamingo's String attacksSkodwarde The Almighty said:
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So Doflamingo wins guess I'll add it, as we reacehd a final consensus any disagreements.
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I really don't see Nagato being capable of doing much of anything against a full -strength Doflamingo. Here are the reasons.
A. Doflamingo lost because of the massive damage inflicted on him by Luffy and Law (Gamma Knife ability). He'd tanked multiple attacks from them before, including a Jet Hawk which had landed only superficial damage upon him beforehand.
B. Doflamingo is ridiculously faster than this guy, by an almost hilarious amount. He's superior to base Luffy, even who stacks Gear Second in combat now with no ill effects, using it to supplement his abilities. Doffy comments on Luffy's speed while in Gear Second even though Luffy has excellent speed feats while in Base as well (dodging the Liquid Explosion, his reactions were already comparable to Rob Lucci's and they already had lightning timing if not dodging feats before the time skip, Doflamingo was comparable to characters like Jozu and Oars Jr. (just because he's a giant, doesn't mean his reactions are crap), that latter which he defeated effortlessly, Oars Jr. was counted as one of the leading forces in Whitebeard's crew.
C. Doflamingo's awakened form makes everything hundreds upon hundreds of meters in his vicinity into string fruit. Even if Luffy was tired, he was still barely capable of dodging said attacks, which is a feat for him, with a few close calls of course.
Doflamingo has the range, speed and power to take down Nagato whose best feat is his Chibaku Tensei which needs time to be used, and his Almighty Push that also takes more effort than any of Doflamingo's attacks and still wouldn't put him down. All Doflamingo would need to do is use his strings as a net to capture him, and then skewer him with Godly Bullets.
A. Doflamingo lost because of the massive damage inflicted on him by Luffy and Law (Gamma Knife ability). He'd tanked multiple attacks from them before, including a Jet Hawk which had landed only superficial damage upon him beforehand.
B. Doflamingo is ridiculously faster than this guy, by an almost hilarious amount. He's superior to base Luffy, even who stacks Gear Second in combat now with no ill effects, using it to supplement his abilities. Doffy comments on Luffy's speed while in Gear Second even though Luffy has excellent speed feats while in Base as well (dodging the Liquid Explosion, his reactions were already comparable to Rob Lucci's and they already had lightning timing if not dodging feats before the time skip, Doflamingo was comparable to characters like Jozu and Oars Jr. (just because he's a giant, doesn't mean his reactions are crap), that latter which he defeated effortlessly, Oars Jr. was counted as one of the leading forces in Whitebeard's crew.
C. Doflamingo's awakened form makes everything hundreds upon hundreds of meters in his vicinity into string fruit. Even if Luffy was tired, he was still barely capable of dodging said attacks, which is a feat for him, with a few close calls of course.
Doflamingo has the range, speed and power to take down Nagato whose best feat is his Chibaku Tensei which needs time to be used, and his Almighty Push that also takes more effort than any of Doflamingo's attacks and still wouldn't put him down. All Doflamingo would need to do is use his strings as a net to capture him, and then skewer him with Godly Bullets.
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if its nagato in this fight he got too much haxs romove soul, mind read, Hell Realm summoning demons that can kill etc.and a higher dc and plus there speed are equal if nagato uses Chibaku Tensei a guy with mountain AP won't break it and in close range he could absorb his soul, use almighty push but it could go either way
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Just because you can read a person's mind, doesn't mean you can react to a person's speed. Actually, a well trained Kenbushoku Haki gives the user the capacity to read a person's thoughts, as seen with Coby who had trouble understanding everyone's sorrows after the war, and now, Issho who showed the ability to control it very finely. So reading a person's mind shouldn't be much problem. Removing someone's soul by touching them you mean with that King of Hell ability? Cool, let's see Nagato touch a much faster opponent who relies on mid to long range combat in most cases. Higher DC means nothing if the person is faster, and no, speed is not equal.
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Higher D.C. usually trumps speed(if you can't damage the guy speed could be useless), but the tier difference isn't drastic.
Still sticking with Don though.
Still sticking with Don though.
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Doflamingo generally shows that he tends to engage with his mid/long-ranged string attacks or parasito. After initially attacking, Nagato would begin defending himself and attempting to counter attack, but Doflamingo's speed is calculated higher despite both being MHS speeds. Nagato has a vast range of abilities, but Doflamingo has a vast variety of tricks with his Devil Fruit. Most likely, Doflamingo would distance himself and use pentachromatic threads, bullet strings, and overheat, which would be countered by Shinra Tensei. Summonings would be brought into play, but most of them would be defeated with little to no difficulty and the cerberus wouldn't be entirely killable, so Doflamingo would be forced to trap it in a giant spider thread that's wrapped around it. At this point, he would resort to using Bird Cage to gain the battlefield advantage and head into the skies, raining down attacks until Nagato is forced to retreat after exhausting Shinra Tensei. Nagato would use Asura Path's abilities to give himself highly destructive ranged abilities, but after the first blow only scathes Doflamingo that trick would have been used up (If Doflamingo was damaged and dropped his guard and was grabbed by Nagato, he would simply need to turn the ground below Nagato into threads to off balance him and retreat or kill him, but since this is not the case...). Eventually, Nagato would resort to Chibaku Tensei and one of two things would most likely happen: Doflamingo realizes the weakness (relatively low chance) and attacks the core or he is trapped by the rocks temporarily and Nagato wi-- WAIT... Doflamingo would use his awakening to turn the entire thing into threads and strike at Nagato, completely blitzing him.
Doflamingo vs Nagato (Pain) should end in Doflamingo's favor 8/10 outcomes. (I'm assuming that this is the actual Nagato we're talking about because I see all 6 Pains being easily dealt with 9 or 10/10)
Doflamingo vs Nagato (Pain) should end in Doflamingo's favor 8/10 outcomes. (I'm assuming that this is the actual Nagato we're talking about because I see all 6 Pains being easily dealt with 9 or 10/10)
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Doflamingo.
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Nagato fought against Killer Bee. And in that period his seriously wounded from his foots and legs and also not fightin' with his own free will.. He was a puppet back then.. but still he was able to do speedblitz on Killer Bee on of the Fastest char on Naruto series. And Killer Bee way quicker than Doflamingo.
Full Healthy and free will Nagato would be good enough to take down Dof for good.
Full Healthy and free will Nagato would be good enough to take down Dof for good.
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@FanCanyon Oh rly? Doflamingo's low end speed is calc'd at Mach 637... that's his lowest end speed which means he is likely MHS+. If the velocity of the meteorite that he cut through turns out to actually have been 1,948 Mach, Doflamingo would be faster than it (I doubt the meteor moved at that speed... the time frame was guesstimated at being 1 minute rather than being accurate... his speed should be well over 1,000 Mach, though). Killer Bee doesn't compare to Doflamingo in speed.
Some of Nagato's abilities would be useless against Doflamingo (namely the ninjutsu absorbing one). His Chibaku tensei would end up being destroyed or turned into threads by Doflamingo's awakening, for example. Doflamingo has psuedo flight, (likely) MHS+ combat and reaction speed, Black Knight (2 on 1 pretty much), and a very versatile ability. If Nagato managed to wound Doflamingo (fairly unlikely due to a proficient level of haki), Doflamingo could fall back and rely on his powers while he passively regenerates from whatever injury. Nagato has a minimum cooldown of 5 seconds on his Shinra Tensei, which would be very disadvantageous given that Doflamingo's thread attacks are quite fast. Nagato can't hope to match Doflamingo in a physical struggle.
@Aurasuke he is a high tier and was capable of holding Jozu down, clashing with the Admirals, and fighting Law + Luffy and almost winning. And a "fodder" from one series can be "top tier" when compared to another series. Yamucha would solo both verses.
If this is Nagato (Pain), Doflamingo stomps. The 6 paths of Pain would be too weak.
Nagato himself during his prime would lose due to speed difference, Doflamingo having more versatility in whatever environment, and any summon that Nagato pulls out would be easily caught by Doflamingo's Parasito/Spider Thread.
Some of Nagato's abilities would be useless against Doflamingo (namely the ninjutsu absorbing one). His Chibaku tensei would end up being destroyed or turned into threads by Doflamingo's awakening, for example. Doflamingo has psuedo flight, (likely) MHS+ combat and reaction speed, Black Knight (2 on 1 pretty much), and a very versatile ability. If Nagato managed to wound Doflamingo (fairly unlikely due to a proficient level of haki), Doflamingo could fall back and rely on his powers while he passively regenerates from whatever injury. Nagato has a minimum cooldown of 5 seconds on his Shinra Tensei, which would be very disadvantageous given that Doflamingo's thread attacks are quite fast. Nagato can't hope to match Doflamingo in a physical struggle.
@Aurasuke he is a high tier and was capable of holding Jozu down, clashing with the Admirals, and fighting Law + Luffy and almost winning. And a "fodder" from one series can be "top tier" when compared to another series. Yamucha would solo both verses.
If this is Nagato (Pain), Doflamingo stomps. The 6 paths of Pain would be too weak.
Nagato himself during his prime would lose due to speed difference, Doflamingo having more versatility in whatever environment, and any summon that Nagato pulls out would be easily caught by Doflamingo's Parasito/Spider Thread.
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^He's still a fodder tier though lol, not even a main villian, he kind of came out of nowhere in a way and was like k, next villian is this guy, no real title or background, we'll just make him get beat like luffy, it was almost like the ablasta arc only longer and with adjusted side stories
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Doflamingo was involved during Punk Hazard and Dressrosa. He isn't meant to be the main villain of his group: Kaido is. Jack is going to be another Doflamingo down the road.
What does that have to do with Doflamingo violently curb stomping Nagato?
What does that have to do with Doflamingo violently curb stomping Nagato?
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Nagato was a more impactful villian. He wasn't even really a villian in the end, he switched froms from villian to supporting character.
One piece villians have terrible background stories mostly, and are hastily made and come out of nowhere really. One Piece characters in general are a bit less original than Naruto's even if they look like lego blocks or made from playdough depending in what mood the author is in.
To be honest if Naruto can beat Doflamingo in his tailed beast form, I don't really see how Nagto would fail. The thing about Nagato is that one touch is fatal, he'll just take his soul. And even though we say Doflamingo is Mach 1000, I don't think he has the stamina to maintian that level of speed for every long. He can't even travel 50km dressrosa in a few seconds. It takes him quite a long time to travel from place to place meaning Mach 1000 is probably his max combat speed. Oh wait was it 700? well whatever, my point is he may be fast, but only in short bursts like most one piece characters. He can't really use his speed to dodge almighty push, and will most likely get hit by it. If he get's surprised attacked or ends up fightning the animals that can never die he'll be in trouble.
Don't think even Doflamingo can tank an Almighty push without at least flinching from the pain, it would be Nagto one hit after he catches Doflamingo.
One piece villians have terrible background stories mostly, and are hastily made and come out of nowhere really. One Piece characters in general are a bit less original than Naruto's even if they look like lego blocks or made from playdough depending in what mood the author is in.
To be honest if Naruto can beat Doflamingo in his tailed beast form, I don't really see how Nagto would fail. The thing about Nagato is that one touch is fatal, he'll just take his soul. And even though we say Doflamingo is Mach 1000, I don't think he has the stamina to maintian that level of speed for every long. He can't even travel 50km dressrosa in a few seconds. It takes him quite a long time to travel from place to place meaning Mach 1000 is probably his max combat speed. Oh wait was it 700? well whatever, my point is he may be fast, but only in short bursts like most one piece characters. He can't really use his speed to dodge almighty push, and will most likely get hit by it. If he get's surprised attacked or ends up fightning the animals that can never die he'll be in trouble.
Don't think even Doflamingo can tank an Almighty push without at least flinching from the pain, it would be Nagto one hit after he catches Doflamingo.
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Nagato, a more impactful Villain? He was brainwashed alongside Yahiko and followed Obito's commands afterwards. His most notable achievements were killing Jiraiya (the only character other than Neji that didn't come back via Edo Tensei) and destroying the Leaf Village.
Doflamingo is the leader of the underground network and has been supplying weapons and artificial devil fruits to people across the grand line. He conquered a country (unlike Crocodile), manipulated the Government into lying to the world, and is the key to Kaido's army. He's very independent and managed to get himself into a position where he has extremely loyal subordinates that wouldn't mind dying for him, is working with a Yonko, and was among the Shichibukai and was black-mailing the World Government--making it so that he could not be touched by them.
Naruto wouldn't be able to beat Doflamingo in Tailed Beast Mode... he'd be too slow (only being able to keep pace with the Third Raikage, who is likely only the speed of Lightning--Mach 284+, though Naruto would obviously be faster with his perfected BM... but not as fast as Juubito). Nagato couldn't kill someone like Naruto fast enough with his soul absorption and that technique might as well be banned since it seems to reap out all of the chakra from a victim, not necessarily their soul. Even if it were allowed, Doflamingo would be able to react fast enough and use his "Bullet Thread" or "Overheat" to knock Nagato back before his soul is taken while also dealing damage to Nagato himself.
Doflamingo does not usually engage in melee combat, so it is unlikely that he'd be caught by Nagato since he focuses on mid-ranged attacks like "Pentachromatic Threads" and would likely attempt to use "Parasito" on him.
Shinra Tensei would not deal significant damage to Doflamingo especially since he'd easily be able to notice the attack coming and block with haki or simply leap back and focus on ranged attacks. Doflamingo's combat speed is at least Mach 637... the speed was calculated when he swiped at a meteor twice at around 70 degrees with his arms before the Meteor fell 1.5 meters. Sanji was unable to react to his attacks and Law struggled heavily to keep pace with him. Even Luffy struggled despite the use of Gear 4th on an injured Doflamingo. Given that he could react and evade attacks via Gear 4th while being injured, he is easily over Mach 1,000--being MHS+. His high end speed is likely well around Mach 1,500~2,000 if the meteor calc turns out to be correct in any way.
Soul absorption isn't instant and Doflamingo is not likely to sit right in front of Nagato long enough for him to reach out and grab at him. The ability is banned--i think--anyways. Almighty push would get Doflamingo ONCE before he starts being cautious and it would hardly do damage to him. Doflamingo could also engage with a Black Knight instead since it would be foolish to engage an unknown enemy himself.
Doflamingo beats Nagato with low-mid difficulty due to speed, environmental advantage, and durability.
Doflamingo is the leader of the underground network and has been supplying weapons and artificial devil fruits to people across the grand line. He conquered a country (unlike Crocodile), manipulated the Government into lying to the world, and is the key to Kaido's army. He's very independent and managed to get himself into a position where he has extremely loyal subordinates that wouldn't mind dying for him, is working with a Yonko, and was among the Shichibukai and was black-mailing the World Government--making it so that he could not be touched by them.
Naruto wouldn't be able to beat Doflamingo in Tailed Beast Mode... he'd be too slow (only being able to keep pace with the Third Raikage, who is likely only the speed of Lightning--Mach 284+, though Naruto would obviously be faster with his perfected BM... but not as fast as Juubito). Nagato couldn't kill someone like Naruto fast enough with his soul absorption and that technique might as well be banned since it seems to reap out all of the chakra from a victim, not necessarily their soul. Even if it were allowed, Doflamingo would be able to react fast enough and use his "Bullet Thread" or "Overheat" to knock Nagato back before his soul is taken while also dealing damage to Nagato himself.
Doflamingo does not usually engage in melee combat, so it is unlikely that he'd be caught by Nagato since he focuses on mid-ranged attacks like "Pentachromatic Threads" and would likely attempt to use "Parasito" on him.
Shinra Tensei would not deal significant damage to Doflamingo especially since he'd easily be able to notice the attack coming and block with haki or simply leap back and focus on ranged attacks. Doflamingo's combat speed is at least Mach 637... the speed was calculated when he swiped at a meteor twice at around 70 degrees with his arms before the Meteor fell 1.5 meters. Sanji was unable to react to his attacks and Law struggled heavily to keep pace with him. Even Luffy struggled despite the use of Gear 4th on an injured Doflamingo. Given that he could react and evade attacks via Gear 4th while being injured, he is easily over Mach 1,000--being MHS+. His high end speed is likely well around Mach 1,500~2,000 if the meteor calc turns out to be correct in any way.
Soul absorption isn't instant and Doflamingo is not likely to sit right in front of Nagato long enough for him to reach out and grab at him. The ability is banned--i think--anyways. Almighty push would get Doflamingo ONCE before he starts being cautious and it would hardly do damage to him. Doflamingo could also engage with a Black Knight instead since it would be foolish to engage an unknown enemy himself.
Doflamingo beats Nagato with low-mid difficulty due to speed, environmental advantage, and durability.
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that technique might as well be banned since it seems to reap out all of the chakra from a victim, not necessarily their soul.
No, think you're confusing the one that absorbs all ninjutsu and the one that absrobs souls lol.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Nagato
see human path.
would likely attempt to use "Parasito" on him.
Didn't fujitora kind of just caught that even though he was BLIND? Though, lol Nagato kind of has the rinnegan here, one of the strongest ocular lenses behind the sharingrinnegan he can also be invisible by hiding inside his cameleo
Shinra Tensei would not deal significant damage to Doflamingo especially since he'd easily be able to notice the attack coming and block with haki or simply leap back and focus on ranged attacks.
Not sure about you but I don't usually turn on Armament Haki when something I can't see is flying towards me lol.
Even Luffy struggled despite the use of Gear 4th on an injured Doflamingo.
What are you saying, Luffy pwned Doflamingo with Gear 4, he just had to use it twice. Doflamingo was injured but so was Luffy
Do flamingo also enters melee range a lot in his combat with Luffy and Law. BTW, can you stop saying that Doflamingo is as fast as Meliodas? It's written on his character page that he isn't, he's mach 100-1000 so probably somewhere in the 500 range.
According to the wiki profiles we have they are about the same speed tier.
BTW Doflamingo may be One Piece's attempt at an underground Mafia family where pirates exist, but Nagato is Naruto's attempt at a man trying to become god. in the context of their respective verses i think the latter is more impressive.
No, think you're confusing the one that absorbs all ninjutsu and the one that absrobs souls lol.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Nagato
see human path.
would likely attempt to use "Parasito" on him.
Didn't fujitora kind of just caught that even though he was BLIND? Though, lol Nagato kind of has the rinnegan here, one of the strongest ocular lenses behind the sharingrinnegan he can also be invisible by hiding inside his cameleo
Shinra Tensei would not deal significant damage to Doflamingo especially since he'd easily be able to notice the attack coming and block with haki or simply leap back and focus on ranged attacks.
Not sure about you but I don't usually turn on Armament Haki when something I can't see is flying towards me lol.
Even Luffy struggled despite the use of Gear 4th on an injured Doflamingo.
What are you saying, Luffy pwned Doflamingo with Gear 4, he just had to use it twice. Doflamingo was injured but so was Luffy
Do flamingo also enters melee range a lot in his combat with Luffy and Law. BTW, can you stop saying that Doflamingo is as fast as Meliodas? It's written on his character page that he isn't, he's mach 100-1000 so probably somewhere in the 500 range.
According to the wiki profiles we have they are about the same speed tier.
BTW Doflamingo may be One Piece's attempt at an underground Mafia family where pirates exist, but Nagato is Naruto's attempt at a man trying to become god. in the context of their respective verses i think the latter is more impressive.
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The technique from the human path is the one I'm speaking of. And I was talking about the chakra since it is practically the life force of most characters. I then went on to say, even if it literally pulled out the soul, Doflamingo can escape from it if not counter-attack to survive.
Fujitora is only blind in the eyes. He has an advanced level of Observation haki, which gives him perfect 360 degree vision for an unknown amount of range (he has at least the range of Dressrosa within his vision... likely a lot more)...
Doflamingo does not have to SEE with his eyes. He has at least a basic level of Observation haki, which grants him a form of pre-cognition and Clairvoyance. That's how he was able to react to G4 attacks and apply haki to the target area in order to mitigate the damage. After the first Shinra Tensei, he'd easily be able to predict it.
Luffy didn't "pwn" Doflamingo with Gear 4th. He struck him 3 times and then they went into a 20 minute brawl where Doflamingo attempted to buy himself enough time to heal the damage he received from Gamma Knife, which blasted all of his internal organs and torso muscles.
Erm, Doflamingo's page on THIS wiki suggests he is "AT LEAST MASSIVELY HYPERSONIC", which means he is "AT LEAST MACH100-1,000". This wiki community took his low end calc and does not accept the other calc that would suggest that Doflamingo is Mach 1,900+ at a high end (Which OBD accepts, apparently) (The meteor was presummed to fall in a minute's time, which i feel is too much of a reach, so even I don't accept it to a degree)... Doflamingo is MHS+ on OBD and this wikia is likely to put him at MHS+ in the future.
Luffy is also considered being "At Least MHS" on this wiki... he is easily MHS+ in Gear 4th and maybe even in Gear 2nd.
Doflamingo attempted to destroy the era he lived in and was doing so with the position he got in. Nagato's path was controlled by Obito ever since before Akatsuki was formed and he failed at "becoming a God".
Doflamingo's goal is similar and he actually got LEAGUES further than Nagato could ever hope to have.
Fujitora is only blind in the eyes. He has an advanced level of Observation haki, which gives him perfect 360 degree vision for an unknown amount of range (he has at least the range of Dressrosa within his vision... likely a lot more)...
Doflamingo does not have to SEE with his eyes. He has at least a basic level of Observation haki, which grants him a form of pre-cognition and Clairvoyance. That's how he was able to react to G4 attacks and apply haki to the target area in order to mitigate the damage. After the first Shinra Tensei, he'd easily be able to predict it.
Luffy didn't "pwn" Doflamingo with Gear 4th. He struck him 3 times and then they went into a 20 minute brawl where Doflamingo attempted to buy himself enough time to heal the damage he received from Gamma Knife, which blasted all of his internal organs and torso muscles.
Erm, Doflamingo's page on THIS wiki suggests he is "AT LEAST MASSIVELY HYPERSONIC", which means he is "AT LEAST MACH100-1,000". This wiki community took his low end calc and does not accept the other calc that would suggest that Doflamingo is Mach 1,900+ at a high end (Which OBD accepts, apparently) (The meteor was presummed to fall in a minute's time, which i feel is too much of a reach, so even I don't accept it to a degree)... Doflamingo is MHS+ on OBD and this wikia is likely to put him at MHS+ in the future.
Luffy is also considered being "At Least MHS" on this wiki... he is easily MHS+ in Gear 4th and maybe even in Gear 2nd.
Doflamingo attempted to destroy the era he lived in and was doing so with the position he got in. Nagato's path was controlled by Obito ever since before Akatsuki was formed and he failed at "becoming a God".
Doflamingo's goal is similar and he actually got LEAGUES further than Nagato could ever hope to have.
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donflamingo takes it high diff.
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Doflamingo attempted to destroy the era he lived in and was doing so with the position he got in. Nagato's path was controlled by Obito ever since before Akatsuki was formed and he failed at "becoming a God".
Doflamingo's goal is similar and he actually got LEAGUES further than Nagato could ever hope to have.
Not really sure how, he ruled 1 island, and ended up getting beat. He isn't even a real antgonist, he's like a side antagonist. At least Nagato was the leader of a non-fodder group.
I was talking about the chakra since it is practically the life force of most characters.
^Um, no, it's literally stated to be two different things. Pains soul absorbtion and Chakra and jutsu absorbtion are different.
BTW how would Doflamingo survive Chibaku Tensei though? He doesn't have the power of a tailed beast bomb to destroy something like that.
Doflamingo's goal is similar and he actually got LEAGUES further than Nagato could ever hope to have.
Not really sure how, he ruled 1 island, and ended up getting beat. He isn't even a real antgonist, he's like a side antagonist. At least Nagato was the leader of a non-fodder group.
I was talking about the chakra since it is practically the life force of most characters.
^Um, no, it's literally stated to be two different things. Pains soul absorbtion and Chakra and jutsu absorbtion are different.
BTW how would Doflamingo survive Chibaku Tensei though? He doesn't have the power of a tailed beast bomb to destroy something like that.
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He ruled 1 Island and had a Yonko as a customer along with other countries that were going at civil war buying from him and he could not be touched by the marines
It is not stated as two different things. Tell me when the characters have stated that Chakra =/= the soul lmao...
Chibaku tensei would be EASILY dealt with due to 2 reasons: He COULD destroy it and even if you suggest that he can not, he can tap into his awakening and turn the thing into threads.
Doflamingo takes this easily, so stop fanboying.
It is not stated as two different things. Tell me when the characters have stated that Chakra =/= the soul lmao...
Chibaku tensei would be EASILY dealt with due to 2 reasons: He COULD destroy it and even if you suggest that he can not, he can tap into his awakening and turn the thing into threads.
Doflamingo takes this easily, so stop fanboying.
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try reading first before talking
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Preta_Path
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http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Human_Path
They are two different techniques, obviously you didn't pay much attention.
Chakra =body+soul/mind, is what they said.
How the hell can he destroy it? he's never even shown close to that level of AP.
He can't turn things into threads what are you even talking about? he can make thread clones at best.
Doflamingo takes this easily, so stop fanboying.
I think that's you who clearly has a biased opinion. I'm simply stating the facts as they are from the profiles as well as my knowledge of the two series. I've watched and rea both One piece and Naruto. To be honest One Piece was crap and predictable until marineford arc, but that for another time. Naruto was great all throughout and doesn't recycle the same plot every island. (Luffy goes to island, Luffy finds antagonist, luffy beats antgonist, Luffy leaves island and heads for the next).
There's no real sense of progression until like 600 chapters in.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Preta_Path
vs
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Human_Path
They are two different techniques, obviously you didn't pay much attention.
Chakra =body+soul/mind, is what they said.
How the hell can he destroy it? he's never even shown close to that level of AP.
He can't turn things into threads what are you even talking about? he can make thread clones at best.
Doflamingo takes this easily, so stop fanboying.
I think that's you who clearly has a biased opinion. I'm simply stating the facts as they are from the profiles as well as my knowledge of the two series. I've watched and rea both One piece and Naruto. To be honest One Piece was crap and predictable until marineford arc, but that for another time. Naruto was great all throughout and doesn't recycle the same plot every island. (Luffy goes to island, Luffy finds antagonist, luffy beats antgonist, Luffy leaves island and heads for the next).
There's no real sense of progression until like 600 chapters in.
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UH WHAT? You do not know half of Doflamingo's abilities if you are suggesting "he can't turn things into threads" LMAO you are so biased and know SO LITTLE about Doflamingo's abilities:
http://www.***********.net/one-piece/785/8 , http://www.***********.net/one-piece/790/6 , http://www.***********.net/one-piece/790/7
"Naruto didn't recycle" erm... from other series, yes... a lot... also, with the whole "Best friend" thing with Jiraiya/Orochimaru and Naruto/Sasuke... could list several other things if i were so inclined to re-read that bland story again.
One Piece was LESS predictable, actually. I can spite Naruto all day, but the admins/mods would probably pull me off of you before you start crying.
"I'm saying what I know from their profiles" Clearly not if you can't go ahead and read Doflamingo's abilities which clearly states he can turn objects into threads.
http://www.***********.net/one-piece/785/8 , http://www.***********.net/one-piece/790/6 , http://www.***********.net/one-piece/790/7
"Naruto didn't recycle" erm... from other series, yes... a lot... also, with the whole "Best friend" thing with Jiraiya/Orochimaru and Naruto/Sasuke... could list several other things if i were so inclined to re-read that bland story again.
One Piece was LESS predictable, actually. I can spite Naruto all day, but the admins/mods would probably pull me off of you before you start crying.
"I'm saying what I know from their profiles" Clearly not if you can't go ahead and read Doflamingo's abilities which clearly states he can turn objects into threads.
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