DOOM Cosmology Revision: Proposal for High 1-B

[Dicelium]

(@Baldiback3162 posted this after I sent him a draft but that thread was closed because he was to be banned, which is why I made this one)

The mortal world in doom was previously accepted to have uncountably infinite universes here, upgrading the structure as a whole to 5D, but it didn't take the full mechanism into consideration.
Note that Uncountably Infinite = (UI) = Aleph 1 = ℵ1 in this proposal.

Initial Premises:

1. The mortal world started with at least countably infinite (ℵ0) universes, [1], [2].
2. An uncountably infinite (ℵ1) number of n-dimensional structures aligned along a new axis can be treated as forming a composite (n+1)-dimensional structure. - Tiering system FAQ
3. 2^[ℵ(n)] = ℵ(n+1) as per the GCH, or,
   
   - Wikipedia (Goldrei, Derek (1996). Classic Set Theory, Section 9.4, The continuum hypothesis, pg no. 277)
4. Universes in the mortal world are at least 4 Dimensional spacetime continuums (3D space + 1D time), [1], and have subspaces. [2]
5. Every single possibility in a universe becomes a new timeline that physically exists in an expansion process. This expansion occurs exponentially and is structurally analogous to fractal patterns.

Within the infinite conscious-matrix of the all-seeing Maykr God-mind, there exists every potentiality - every predictive variable of possible future timeline - each one known to the Maykr collective with omniscient, inextricable clarity. The God-mind surveys these timelines, watching them form and expand exponentially like fractal patterns in the fabric of existence. Among these infinite possibilities, only one constant appears among them, unchanged by the flowing data of endless variability - that of the prophesied Destroyer - the one who would bring about the destruction of the Maykrs.​

[1], [2].


Reasoning and Explanation:

In the 4D space-time continuum of a universe, every point in space is a possible position that a particle can occupy of move through. (See additional context )
Thus, every point in space is a possibility that will become a branching universe / timeline.
The multiverse started with ℵ0 4D universes (space + time), as per premise 1.
Let us look at the number of points (possibilities) in a single universe. (Points = Possibilities)

• ℵ1 points are present in a line. (premise 2, [1] ). Therefore, after expansion, we have ℵ1 4D universes, which is considered to be a 5D structure (c=2^ℵ0). (premise 2)
• The exponential fractal branching further supports uncountably infinite possibilities/universes per expansion, as even 2 universes would expand into infinite more universes. We can rewrite it as 2^n = x, and x being infinite necessitates that the exponent n is infinite. As per premise 3, this would make the cardinality of x = ℵ1 even if the cardinality of n is ℵ0. (See additional context)
• The number of points increase by an UI "level" in a 2D space as compared to a 1D space. Therefore every single universe from the 5D structure expand into ℵ1 more Universes, which is equivalent to a 6D structure as a whole.
• The number of points increase by an UI "level" in a 3D space as compared to a 2D space
• As the space in a universe is 3D – every single universe from the 6D structure expand into ℵ1 more Universes = 7D structure.

Thus, in one expansion, the mortal world's dimensionality increased by 3, as per premise 2.
Here is a simple representation of the above reasoning. (Pertaining only to the spatial aspect of the expansion. The temporal aspect is addressed below))

• One such expansion happens at every point in time.
• There are ℵ1 points in a non zero or infinitesimal period of time.
• Creation in Doom is tentatively a decillion years old, and thus the time period is non-zero or infinitesimal.
• Therefore, the number of expansions of all the universes of the mortal world are ℵ1.
• As this +3D increase in overall dimensionality of the mortal world happens with each expansion, the final dimensionality of the structure after a finite, non-zero or infinitesimal amount of time is ℵ1, or High 1-B. Each expansion can also be treated as the operation ℵ1⋅ℵ1=ℵ1 due to the expansion being exponential in nature. Thus, ℵ1 expansions is equivalent to ℵ1^ℵ1, which is ℵ2 universes as per premise 3, which also scales to High 1-B.

Additional Context:

Regarding each point in space being a possibility:-
Given the context of doom being a science fiction and fantasy based saga, the setting of our current earth being in the future, argent requiring rewriting physics , the quantum fields being intrinsically tied to spacetime and electromagnetic fields and comprising the entire universe as one continuous whole, and all the other mentions of quantum fluctuations, signatures, aberrations (Art of doom eternal), engines, positional descriptions and an interpretation of Schrodinger's equation (Implicate order), it is certain that basic aspects of quantum mechanics like wavefunctions or wavefunctionals exist in the verse. As particles are wave packets, the tailing ends of the wavefunction for any particle stretch out infinitely, and as previously established they are part of a continuous quantum field. The wavefunction occupies a 3D space. Every point in that space is a possible position/state.
The expansion mechanism is extremely similar or even akin to that of the Many Worlds Interpretation of Schrodinger's equation, where the universal wave function branches into uncountable alternate "worlds" for every possible outcome of quantum measurement, with all quantum field theories being linear and compatible with the MWI.
Please Note that this is not trying to argue for the validity of specific theories in the verse just based off nominal mentions. Instead, it is to provide sufficient supporting context for basic wave particles and subsequently the validity of each point in space being as possibility.

Regarding fractal patterns:-
They serve as a conceptual analogy for the expansion.
Fractals in this particular context are recursive, space filling structures. The space filling properties meshes well with the above proposal as the range of a space filling curve reaches every point in a higher dimensional region. The expansion can be partly visualized here, and its branching here.


CONCLUSIONS:
The Mortal world as a whole is High 1-B.
Hell, Urdak and the Void maintain their current relation to the mortal world.

Note* Please let me know if any links don't work or are incorrect. These links are also purely for the scans needed, nothing else.
This is my first post, so bear with me if any issues arise.
I may modify this post based on given feedback, but I will do so under a new section here titled "revised proposal". This revised proposal shall be the final one pertaining to which the agreement/ disagreement and verdict is given.


Agree: Shadowslaya!, Baldiback3162, Hellscream

Neutral:

Disagree: [B]Qawsedf234[/B], Firestorm808, [B]DarkDragonMedeus[/B], Mythic381, Hayato5652.

Verdict and explanation:

 

[Dicelium]

@DarkDragonMedeus @Firestorm808 @Gewsbumpz_dude @Qawsedf234 @ShionAH If you guys could give some input it would be appreciated.

 

[Pluto321]

@DarkDragonMedeus @Firestorm808 @Gewsbumpz_dude @Qawsedf234 @ShionAH If you guys could give some input it would be appreciated.

normal people can't tag mod, ask them on there wall

 

[Dicelium]

normal people can't tag mod, ask them on there wall

Will Do. Thanks!

 

[KLOL506]

@Abstractions @Celestial_Pegasus

 

[Shadowslaya!]

I humbly agree with this proposal.

 

[Qawsedf234]

you guys could give some input it would be appreciated.

I talked about this in the other thread, but ehat you presented doesn't work for High 1-B. The current tiering used all the same arguments and it only resulted in a +1D upgrade.

I certainly don't see a High 1-B upgrade, which should be High 1-B+ if you're arguing and Aleph-2 set.

 

[Dicelium]

I talked about this in the other thread, but ehat you presented doesn't work for High 1-B. The current tiering used all the same arguments and it only resulted in a +1D upgrade.

I certainly don't see a High 1-B upgrade, which should be High 1-B+ if you're arguing and Aleph-2 set.

You said the following:

You can have an Aleph-1 number of universes, but you can't have a double Aleph-1 number of universes.

Can you elaborate on this and properly explain why it results in only a +1D upgrade?
And have you watched the video linked with the explanation? It gives a very clear cut basis for >+1D

 

[Qawsedf234]

Can you elaborate on this

Sn Aleph-1 is an uncountable infinite set of all arrangements of that idea. An Aleph-1 amount of universes includes all possible combinations of universes.

You can have Aleph-1 amounts of bigger structures like multiverse spaces, but you can go higher with individual universes.

The reasoning being for the Tiering System is that an Aleph-2 is an uncountable infinite set of every other possible uncountable infinite set. It would include all combinations, including dimensions, which is why Aleph-2 is an automatic High 1-B+ rating. It's also why there's idea of fractals and MWI doesn't get you to Aleph-2, as they're just sets of the universe and not a set composed of all other sets.

 

[Baldiback3162]

(@Baldiback3162 posted this after I sent him a draft but that thread was closed because he was to be banned, which is why I made this one)

The mortal world in doom was previously accepted to have uncountably infinite universes here, upgrading the structure as a whole to 5D, but it didn't take the full mechanism into consideration.
Note that Uncountably Infinite = (UI) = Aleph 1 = ℵ1 in this proposal.

Initial Premises:

1. The mortal world started with at least countably infinite (ℵ0) universes, [1], [2].
2. An uncountably infinite (ℵ1) number of n-dimensional structures aligned along a new axis can be treated as forming a composite (n+1)-dimensional structure. - Tiering system FAQ
3. 2^[ℵ(n)] = ℵ(n+1) as per the GCH, or,
   
   - Wikipedia (Goldrei, Derek (1996). Classic Set Theory, Section 9.4, The continuum hypothesis, pg no. 277)
4. Universes in the mortal world are at least 4 Dimensional spacetime continuums (3D space + 1D time), [1], and have subspaces. [2]
5. Every single possibility in a universe becomes a new timeline that physically exists in an expansion process. This expansion occurs exponentially and is structurally analogous to fractal patterns.

[1], [2].


Reasoning and Explanation:

In the 4D space-time continuum of a universe, every point in space is a possible position that a particle can occupy of move through. (See additional context )
Thus, every point in space is a possibility that will become a branching universe / timeline.
The multiverse started with ℵ0 4D universes (space + time), as per premise 1.
Let us look at the number of points (possibilities) in a single universe. (Points = Possibilities)

• ℵ1 points are present in a line. (premise 2, [1] ). Therefore, after expansion, we have ℵ1 4D universes, which is considered to be a 5D structure (c=2^ℵ0). (premise 2)
• The exponential fractal branching further supports uncountably infinite possibilities/universes per expansion, as even 2 universes would expand into infinite more universes. We can rewrite it as 2^n = x, and x being infinite necessitates that the exponent n is infinite. As per premise 3, this would make the cardinality of x = ℵ1 even if the cardinality of n is ℵ0. (See additional context)
• The number of points increase by an UI "level" in a 2D space as compared to a 1D space. Therefore every single universe from the 5D structure expand into ℵ1 more Universes, which is equivalent to a 6D structure as a whole.
• The number of points increase by an UI "level" in a 3D space as compared to a 2D space
• As the space in a universe is 3D – every single universe from the 6D structure expand into ℵ1 more Universes = 7D structure.

Thus, in one expansion, the mortal world's dimensionality increased by 3, as per premise 2.
Here is a simple representation of the above reasoning. (Pertaining only to the spatial aspect of the expansion. The temporal aspect is addressed below))

• One such expansion happens at every point in time.
• There are ℵ1 points in a non zero or infinitesimal period of time.
• Creation in Doom is tentatively a decillion years old, and thus the time period is non-zero or infinitesimal.
• Therefore, the number of expansions of all the universes of the mortal world are ℵ1.
• As this +3D increase in overall dimensionality of the mortal world happens with each expansion, the final dimensionality of the structure after a finite, non-zero or infinitesimal amount of time is ℵ1, or High 1-B. Each expansion can also be treated as the operation ℵ1⋅ℵ1=ℵ1 due to the expansion being exponential in nature. Thus, ℵ1 expansions is equivalent to ℵ1^ℵ1, which is ℵ2 universes as per premise 3, which also scales to High 1-B.

Additional Context:

Regarding each point in space being a possibility:-
Given the context of doom being a science fiction and fantasy based saga, the setting of our current earth being in the future, argent requiring rewriting physics , the quantum fields being intrinsically tied to spacetime and electromagnetic fields and comprising the entire universe as one continuous whole, and all the other mentions of quantum fluctuations, signatures, aberrations (Art of doom eternal), engines, positional descriptions and an interpretation of Schrodinger's equation (Implicate order), it is certain that basic aspects of quantum mechanics like wavefunctions or wavefunctionals exist in the verse. As particles are wave packets, the tailing ends of the wavefunction for any particle stretch out infinitely, and as previously established they are part of a continuous quantum field. The wavefunction occupies a 3D space. Every point in that space is a possible position/state.
The expansion mechanism is extremely similar or even akin to that of the Many Worlds Interpretation of Schrodinger's equation, where the universal wave function branches into uncountable alternate "worlds" for every possible outcome of quantum measurement, with all quantum field theories being linear and compatible with the MWI.
Please Note that this is not trying to argue for the validity of specific theories in the verse just based off nominal mentions. Instead, it is to provide sufficient supporting context for basic wave particles and subsequently the validity of each point in space being as possibility.

Regarding fractal patterns:-
They serve as a conceptual analogy for the expansion.
Fractals in this particular context are recursive, space filling structures. The space filling properties meshes well with the above proposal as the range of a space filling curve reaches every point in a higher dimensional region. The expansion can be partly visualized here, and its branching here.


CONCLUSIONS:
The Mortal world as a whole is High 1-B.
Hell, Urdak and the Void maintain their current relation to the mortal world.

Note* Please let me know if any links don't work or are incorrect. These links are also purely for the scans needed, nothing else.
This is my first post, so bear with me if any issues arise.
I may modify this post based on given feedback, but I will do so under a new section here titled "revised proposal". This revised proposal shall be the final one pertaining to which the agreement/ disagreement and verdict is given.


Agree:

Neutral:

Disagree:

Verdict and explanation:

I completely agree with this.

 

[Dicelium]

Sn Aleph-1 is an uncountable infinite set of all arrangements of that idea. An Aleph-1 amount of universes includes all possible combinations of universes.

You can have Aleph-1 amounts of bigger structures like multiverse spaces, but you can go higher with individual universes.

The reasoning being for the Tiering System is that an Aleph-2 is an uncountable infinite set of every other possible uncountable infinite set. It would include all combinations, including dimensions, which is why Aleph-2 is an automatic High 1-B+ rating. It's also why there's idea of fractals and MWI doesn't get you to Aleph-2, as they're just sets of the universe and not a set composed of all other sets.

I assume you meant "but you can't go higher with individual universes". If this is the case, then I would like to quote the tiering system itself.

Tier 1-B: Characters or objects who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy higher-dimensional structures that are eight to any higher finite number of uncountably infinite levels above Low 2-C structures. In ordinary distribution, this corresponds to R^12 and higher finite exponents (12-dimensional higher finite numbers of real coordinate space).

An "uncountably infinite level" refers to a power gap placing something uncountably infinitely above something else.
It is also defined as "exceeding lesser objects by an uncountably infinite margin"
The criteria is not being an uncountably infinite level above 11D to become 12D, its being 8 uncountably infinite levels above a single 4d spacetime universes, aka low 2-c.
So unless you are suggesting reworking the tiering system, individual universes can go higher than just +1D in the related manner.
This is something I have shown in this video linked in the original post, where I specifically showed that since a set A containing ℵ1 4D structures is equivalent to a 5D structure per quantitative superiority, if every single universe in set A became ℵ1 more universes, then set A would contain ℵ1 5D structures, becoming equivalent to 6D, and so on.

If such an operation doesn't fulfil the criteria for an uncountably infinite gap, then can you explain what that gap is an what operation makes a 4D universe a 12D structure?

 

[Hellscream]

Makes sense, and i agree

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I assume you meant "but you can't go higher with individual universes". If this is the case, then I would like to quote the tiering system itself.

An "uncountably infinite level" refers to a power gap placing something uncountably infinitely above something else.
It is also defined as "exceeding lesser objects by an uncountably infinite margin"
The criteria is not being an uncountably infinite level above 11D to become 12D, its being 8 uncountably infinite levels above a single 4d spacetime universes, aka low 2-c.
So unless you are suggesting reworking the tiering system, individual universes can go higher than just +1D in the related manner.
This is something I have shown in this video linked in the original post, where I specifically showed that since a set A containing ℵ1 4D structures is equivalent to a 5D structure per quantitative superiority, if every single universe in set A became ℵ1 more universes, then set A would contain ℵ1 5D structures, becoming equivalent to 6D, and so on.

If such an operation doesn't fulfil the criteria for an uncountably infinite gap, then can you explain what that gap is an what operation makes a 4D universe a 12D structure?

Sending Youtube powerscaling clips for scaling is not available in this wiki

 

[Qawsedf234]

this is the case, then I would like to quote the tiering system itself.

That has to do with coordinate planes. As in the minimal amount of dimensional points needed to define an object. Nothing you presented deals with coordinate points but of the amount of universes within the DOOM multiverse.

So unless you are suggesting reworking the tiering system, individual universes can go higher than just +1D in the related manner

You have an Aleph-1 number of universes, which fits in with both fractals and MWI. That only requires a 5-D space to contain them.

structure per quantitative superiority, if every single universe in set A became ℵ1 more universes, then set A would contain ℵ1 5D structures, becoming equivalent to 6D, and so on.

You can't get a higher power set of universes. Your logic doesn't support an aleph-1 set of ever increasing multiversal containers. You have an uncountable infinite number of universes, not some type of recursive set of containers.

 

[Mythic381]

Disagree FRA. (Should probably revise how dimensional tiering works here, since this mostly seems to have already been discussed about in the previous thread.)

 

[Hayato5652]

In order to qualify as High 1-B, each of its dimensions must be superior to the previous one and transcend it, in other words, go beyond it entirely.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I also disagree.

 

[Telomera]

Sn Aleph-1 is an uncountable infinite set of all arrangements of that idea. An Aleph-1 amount of universes includes all possible combinations of universes.

You can have Aleph-1 amounts of bigger structures like multiverse spaces, but you can go higher with individual universes.

The reasoning being for the Tiering System is that an Aleph-2 is an uncountable infinite set of every other possible uncountable infinite set. It would include all combinations, including dimensions, which is why Aleph-2 is an automatic High 1-B+ rating. It's also why there's idea of fractals and MWI doesn't get you to Aleph-2, as they're just sets of the universe and not a set composed of all other sets.

I think what's more important is its expansion being described as "exponential." An exponential increase from Aleph 1 would logically result in higher and higher alephs. If we interpret "exponential" in the context of transfinite cardinal arithmetic (see page 4) we'd be getting things like 2^Aleph 1 which is at least Aleph 2. Even if we interpret "exponential" as meaning "increasing at a faster and faster rate" it simply wouldn't make sense for the size of the cosmology to just remain stagnant at Aleph 1 forever.

There's another mention that further supports H1B scaling but idk if I want to get into it yet. I'd prefer to make my own thread that also details it in the OP if I want to use the scaling I have in mind.

 

[Qawsedf234]

If we interpret "exponential" in the context of transfinite cardinal arithmetic

But.... why would we interpret it in that way? Additionally there's other readings that can be solved with a single cardinal set and the logic being proposed doesn't fit the needed evidence for an Aleph-2 space in my mind.

 

[Telomera]

But.... why would we interpret it in that way? Additionally there's other readings that can be solved with a single cardinal set and the logic being proposed doesn't fit the needed evidence for an Aleph-2 space in my mind.

Because VEGA is supposed to be this analytical scientific AI. He does use the word "dimension" in an unscientific way though (although you could argue that's the exception).

Additionally there's other readings that can be solved with a single cardinal set

What other readings are there? All of those readings have no increase and involve remaining stagnant at aleph 1.

 

[Qawsedf234]

simply wouldn't make sense for the size of the cosmology to just remain stagnant at Aleph 1 forever.

The gap between Aleph-1 and Aleph-2 is beyond infinite.

What other readings are there? All of those readings have no increase and involve remaining stagnant at aleph 1.

The reading together is how you get Aleph-1. Then increasing at a fixed rate doesn't bridge the gap to Aleph-2. The OP also isn't even arguing that line of logic, but that there's an ever increasing amount of temporal snapshots so those snapshots should make the multiverse High 1-B.

Overall it just don't see the evidence for the proposed ratings.

 

[Telomera]

The gap between Aleph-1 and Aleph-2 is beyond infinite.

OK? It increasing at that rate still makes more sense than it not increasing at all. Interpreting an exponential increase as "staying at aleph 1 forever" makes no sense because staying at aleph 1 is not an increase at all by any metric no matter how you look at it.

The reading together is how you get Aleph-1.

It containing all possibilities is already aleph 1, increasing exponentially is something on top of that.

Then increasing at a fixed rate doesn't bridge the gap to Aleph-2.

There is by definition no gap between Aleph 1 and Aleph 2, so any real increase (multiplying aleph 1 by 2 or squaring it does not actually increase it) from aleph 1 would necessarily lead to aleph 2. Also, growth that happens "exponentially" is by definition not "at a fixed rate."

The OP also isn't even arguing that line of logic

This thread is probably going to be rejected, so if I made another thread where I do actually argue this line of logic, would that be acceptable? There is an additional piece of evidence that I would use to support it too btw

 

[Qawsedf234]

would that be acceptable?

Using a different argument with the same evidence is allowable to a certain degree. So you should be fine I guess.

 

[Telomera]

Using a different argument with the same evidence is allowable to a certain degree. So you should be fine I guess.

OK. But until then, what do you think about my line of reasoning? Due to how aleph numbers are defined, you'd either have to interpret the number of possibilities/cosmology size as remaining stagnant at aleph 1 or increasing to aleph 2. There is no in-between.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I think the idea of an uncountable infinite number of universal sets already covers everything presented. So I don't see an upgrade.

 

[Telomera]

I think the idea of an uncountable infinite number of universal sets already covers everything presented. So I don't see an upgrade.

I don't want to spend too much time on it here, but I really can't see how the argument doesn't work. Is there a logical error I'm missing?

P1: The Doom cosmology contains aleph 1 timelines
P2: The cardinal number of timelines in the Doom cosmology increases exponentially
P3: By definition, the least cardinal greater than Aleph 1 is Aleph 2
P4: If a cardinal quantity increases in value, that quantity by definition becomes greater than it previously was
P5: From P3 and P4, if a cardinal quantity with value Aleph 1 were to increase, it would become at least Aleph 2
P6: From P1, P2, and P5, the cardinal number of timelines in the Doom cosmology becomes at least Aleph 2

 

[Firestorm808]

I lean against the OP's proposal.

 

[Mythic381]

I lean against the OP's proposal.

That's 3 staff disagreements.

 

[Dicelium]

Sending Youtube powerscaling clips for scaling is not available in this wiki

I made this video (unlisted) specifically for this thread to better illustrate my argument. So unless you have valid reasons to disregard it, doing so is dishonest.
If you are referring to the other videos besides the aforementioned, they have been specified to be used only or the doom wiki scans, nothing more.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I made this video (unlisted) specifically for this thread to better illustrate my argument. So unless you have valid reasons to disregard it, doing so is dishonest.
If you are referring to the other videos besides the aforementioned, they have been specified to be used only or the doom wiki scans, nothing more.

It stated in rules that using YouTube (not show scans) to make scaling are violates the rules.

 

[SweetDao]

It stated in rules that using YouTube (not show scans) to make scaling are violates the rules.

tbf, if he is the one who made the video and just did so to explain in a clear way what he meant, I'd say it's fine. It's like someone doing a paint to explain something.

 

[Dicelium]

That has to do with coordinate planes. As in the minimal amount of dimensional points needed to define an object. Nothing you presented deals with coordinate points but of the amount of universes within the DOOM multiverse.


You have an Aleph-1 number of universes, which fits in with both fractals and MWI. That only requires a 5-D space to contain them.


You can't get a higher power set of universes. Your logic doesn't support an aleph-1 set of ever increasing multiversal containers. You have an uncountable infinite number of universes, not some type of recursive set of containers.

before we go any further, and as i have requested before, can you explain exactly what is the uncountably infinite level? My understanding is that it is an aleph 1 difference, and that is required to go from n D to n+1 D. But the tiering system mentions multiple such levels over the same thing, like two to five uncountably infinite levels above low 2-C. So how would 2 or more such UI levels be represented mathematically?
is it 2 times aleph1? thats still aleph 1.
is it aleph1 multiplied by aleph 1? (aleph1^2)? thats still aleph 1.
it is not aleph 2 as you said it reaches the 1-B scale.

I will name the below as Section 1
What I understood was that since being uncountably infinitely greater than 3D is 4D (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Tier_Low_2-C)
and being one uncountably infinite level above Low 2-C is lo 1-C or 5D.
Then: ℵ1(4D)=5D, ℵ1(5D)=6D
thus ℵ1(ℵ1(4D)=, ℵ1(5D) = 6D
so , ℵ1^2 = 2 UI levels.

What is wrong with section 1? If it is wrong, how does it actually work?
My proposal was that each universe becomes aleph 1 more, which is equivalent to ℵ1.ℵ1=ℵ1^2. repeat this aleph 1 times and it is ℵ1^ℵ1 = ℵ2 as per Premise 3.
Though I do recognize that this increase is multiplicative rather than exponential, I want to understand what is the fundamental issue with it.

I don't want to spend too much time on it here, but I really can't see how the argument doesn't work. Is there a logical error I'm missing?

P1: The Doom cosmology contains aleph 1 timelines
P2: The cardinal number of timelines in the Doom cosmology increases exponentially
P3: By definition, the least cardinal greater than Aleph 1 is Aleph 2
P4: If a cardinal quantity increases in value, that quantity by definition becomes greater than it previously was
P5: From P3 and P4, if a cardinal quantity with value Aleph 1 were to increase, it would become at least Aleph 2
P6: From P1, P2, and P5, the cardinal number of timelines in the Doom cosmology becomes at least Aleph 2

Thats a much, much better way of putting the exponential part.

 

[Dicelium]

tbf, if he is the one who made the video and just did so to explain in a clear way what he meant, I'd say it's fine. It's like someone doing a paint to explain something.

That was my intention, as I had brought this up with Qawsedf234 before and I felt that I was not able to get my point across sufficiently only with words.
Though, as I just asked him, I can't for the life of me find a mathematical representation for what two "Uncountably infinite levels above something" mean, if one such level is just aleph 1 time the baseline.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

tbf, if he is the one who made the video and just did so to explain in a clear way what he meant, I'd say it's fine. It's like someone doing a paint to explain something.

I made this video (unlisted) specifically for this thread to better illustrate my argument. So unless you have valid reasons to disregard it, doing so is dishonest.
If you are referring to the other videos besides the aforementioned, they have been specified to be used only or the doom wiki scans, nothing more.

It better to use "Imgur" then YouTube

 

[Dicelium]

It better to use "Imgur" then YouTube

Ok. Noted.
Can you uload videos there?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Ok. Noted.
Can you uload videos there?

Yes (and change Public to Hidden if you want)

 

[Qawsedf234]

My understanding is that it is an aleph 1 difference, and that is required to go from n D to n+1 D. But the tiering system mentions multiple such levels over the same thing, like two to five uncountably infinite levels above low 2-C. So how would 2 or more such UI levels be represented mathematically?

To quote the FAQ for this section

Let's take the smallest infinite cardinal (aleph-0, or ℵ0, the cardinality of countably infinite sets) as an example in this case: A set comprised of a countably infinite number of 0-dimensional points is itself a 0-dimensional space under the usual notions of dimensionality, being thus still infinitely small. Meanwhile, a countably infinite number of planets is High 3-A, a countably infinite number of universes 2-A, and countably infinitely many dimensions High 1-B.

We then move on to the power set of ℵ0, P(ℵ0), which is an uncountably infinite quantity and represents the set of all the ways in which you can arrange the elements of a set whose cardinality is the former, and is also equal to the size of the set of all real numbers. In terms of points, one can say that everything from 1-dimensional space to (countably) infinite-dimensional space falls under it, as all of these spaces have the same number of elements (coordinates, in this case), in spite of each being infinitely larger than the preceding one by the intuitive notions of size that we regularly utilize (Area, Volume, etc.).

On the other hand, an P(ℵ0) number of universes is Low 1-C, and a similar number of spatial dimensions is High 1-B+.

What this is saying is that depending on the object in questions, an Aleph-1 amount will result in a dimensional gap or higher.

• An Aleph-1 amount of matter will require a Low 2-C space
• An Aleph-1 amount of a Low 2-C space will require a Low 1-C space
• And Aleph-1 amount of a 6D Space will require a 7D space

But the thing is, the baseline for that count has to be of a size. You have an uncountable infinite number of universes. But that's all you have. To go higher than Low 1-C you'd have to prove that the multiverse is one of an uncountable infinite number of multiverses.

What is wrong with section 1? If it is wrong, how does it actually work?

You have a universe, that universe is Low 2-C. You have an uncountable infinite amount of that universe, so you have Low 1-C. But you can't have a double uncountable infinite amount of that universe, because any additional multiplication of that uncountable universe amount will still be Aleph-1. You're amount of universes can't get higher than Aleph-1, which is why tiers higher than Low 1-C just don't work under your argument.

 

[Boblox1111]

I also disagree.

Whats ur reasoning for this to be Disagreed?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Whats ur reasoning for this to be Disagreed?

I agree more with what Qawsed is saying. That is all.

 

[Vietthai96]

Exponential increases is an extremely vague word, it doesn't mean anything let alone interpreting it to the point of the verse can increases from Aleph-1 to Aleph-2, an extremely huge gap that beyond set of real number, that is an extraordinary claim, since a finite but huge increases can also be considered as "exponential"