Dorito GOD vs Watermelon GOD (0-0-0)

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

hopefully i'm not doing anything wrong here

VS


Billy:
Omni king:

SBA
Both in character but clearly want to kill each other
Both start 50 maters away cause why not
Speed is equalized
Weirdmageddon bill is used
both Low 1-C
Fight takes place in whatever this is
Fight music

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

bump

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

"but clearly want to kill each other"
What's stopping Bill from doing this?

 

[Fezzih_007]

This is a meh matchup.

So basically, both can win by doing simple hand gestures.
But depends which one would be faster. Zeno just to close his hands to win, while, Bill would probally snap his finger and transmutate Zeno, I guess.

I probally gonna vote Inco, since both of the wincons can happen, and I not sure which one will happen faster.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

This is a stomp, Zeno can’t erase Bill due to NEP of his Soul & Mind & Abstract being Type 3 and not Type 1, aka Zeno has no wincons.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

So basically, both can win by doing simple hand gestures.
But depends which one would be faster. Zeno just to close his hands to win, while, Bill would probally snap his finger and transmutate Zeno, I guess.

You can argue Bill’s petrification is thought-based tbh

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

This is a stomp, Zeno can’t erase Bill due to NEP of his Soul & Mind & Abstract being Type 3 and not Type 1, aka Zeno has no wincons.

What the hell is a Type 3 Abstract Existence

 

[Fezzih_007]

This is a stomp, Zeno can’t erase Bill due to NEP of his Soul & Mind & Abstract being Type 3 and not Type 1

You know, you kinda need to be more specific.
You mean he have Nonexistent Physiology Type 3. He don't type 3 abstract existence.

Trought, that don't matter much. Probally

You can argue Bill’s petrification is thought-based tbh

Nah.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

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NEP of his "Soul & Mind & Abstract" being Type 3
Aka NEP of X being Type 3

Also, AE Type 3 is not even a thing lmfao

Nah.

I don't believe it myself tbh, but one can argue that

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Trought, that don't matter much. Probally

That do matter actually, because whatever Zeno's doing on him will just making him goes into "uncertainty" (Which, if Zeno's destroying him, there's another part of him saying that he's "not destroyed")

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Yeah. I don't think NEP Type 1 Interaction can interact with NEP Type 3, there's a reason they are separated.

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

bumpy

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Yeah. I don't think NEP Type 1 Interaction can interact with NEP Type 3, there's a reason they are separated.

Probably gonna need some better confirmation on that, since Type 3 revolves on the character existing yet not existing however Zeno erases both existing and nonexistent things at the same time. That  could be argued to be capable of bypassing it since it's attacking both identities at once.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Probably gonna need some better confirmation on that, since Type 3 revolves on the character existing yet not existing however Zeno erases both existing and nonexistent things at the same time. That  could be argued to be capable of bypassing it since it's attacking both identities at once.

Even if that argument doesn't work, I have another one:

Zeno:
Nonexistence Erasure (Nature Type 1; Aspect Types 2 & 5 [Other: Concepts & History])

Bill:
Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 3, Aspect Types 1, 3 and 5 [Energy and Idea])

Zeno effects different NEP aspects

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Even if that argument doesn't work, I have another one:

Zeno:
Nonexistence Erasure (Nature Type 1; Aspect Types 2 & 5 [Other: Concepts & History])

Bill:
Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 3, Aspect Types 1, 3 and 5 [Energy and Idea])

Zeno effects different NEP aspects

Pretty sure erasing Concepts and History would trump above Bill's stuff. Since I'd assume a character being conceptually erased is above material and mental stuff (especially since both of these aspects are already covered by the rest of Zeno's erasure) and the Idea aspect is just directly countered by both Concept and History erasure

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Pretty sure erasing Concepts and History would trump above Bill's stuff. Since I'd assume a character being conceptually erased is above material and mental stuff (especially since both of these aspects are already covered by the rest of Zeno's erasure) and the Idea aspect is just directly countered by both Concept and History erasure

He never destroyed the concept of mind or soul. See in Conceptual Manipulation page:

All Conceptual Manipulators are bound by the object of the concepts they have been shown to manipulate. A character able to manipulate the concept of darkness is not able to manipulate the concept of matter or an individual unless otherwise shown.

Also I don't think concept and idea are the same on this wiki, as otherwise Bill would have Conceptual NEP, but he doesn't. Also how is History countering AE?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

He never destroyed the concept of mind or soul. See in Conceptual Manipulation page:

No, but Dragon Ball's concepts for time, space, and history would also include at the very least the spiritual nature of it since afterlives are a part of those, which the void also lacks (hell, going by the cosmology page I'm pretty sure the void unironically predates the concept of one by proxy of being the only thing listing as being there existing since forever/eternal). I can understand the confirmed parts of the NEE being only that however I feel like there's some possibly/likely aspects that could be thrown on there since there's like 0 difference between what Zeno does to the void and everything else, but what do I know it ain't my verse LOL.

Also I don't think concept and idea are the same on this wiki, as otherwise Bill would have Conceptual NEP, but he doesn't.

I was more referring to history being erased alongside the concepts, since the Idea of Bill and his concept would be gone alongside it as he has nothing to fall back to. Kinda like a domino effect.

Also how is History countering AE?

Zeno can interact with Abstract Thoughts with his erasure.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Gonna be honest this thread just looks like it either ends up as inconclusive or invalid since it's either going to be

"Both can one shot each other with equally quick movements"

or

"Zeno can't interact with Bill/Zeno can't erase enough of Bill in order to neutralize him therefore no win cons"

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

No, but Dragon Ball's concepts for time, space, and history would also include at the very least the spiritual nature of it since afterlives are a part of those, which the void also lacks (hell, going by the cosmology page I'm pretty sure the void unironically predates the concept of one by proxy of being the only thing listing as being there existing since forever/eternal). I can understand the confirmed parts of the NEP being only that however I feel like there's some possibly/likely aspects that could be thrown on there since there's like 0 difference between what Zeno does to the void and everything else, but what do I know it ain't my verse LOL.

His Concept NEP Erasure is via destroying non-existent concepts of time and space… not souls and mind. Simply erasing souls is not equivalent to being able to erase NEP souls or concept of souls.

I was more referring to history being erased alongside the concepts, since the Idea of Bill and his concept would be gone alongside it as he has nothing to fall back to. Kinda like a domino effect.

Fair enough if it was regular idea, but I don’t think you can destroy non-existent idea via destroying its history, since it doesn’t exist in the first place.
(I know Bill “exists and doesn’t exist” but you understand my point)

Zeno can interact with Abstract Thoughts with his erasure.

Not non-existent ones, I think.

Gonna be honest this thread just looks like it either ends up as inconclusive or invalid since it's either going to be

"Both can one shot each other with equally quick movements"

or

"Zeno can't interact with Bill/Zeno can't erase enough of Bill in order to neutralize him therefore no win cons"

Yeah, this was my point. It’s a mismatch. Or a boring inconclusive at best.

 

[Thanganimator]

His Concept NEP Erasure is via destroying non-existent concepts of time and space… not souls and mind. Simply erasing souls is not equivalent to being able to erase NEP souls or concept of soul.

I think NEP3 of Bill is something wrong, Bill said Dipper soul,mind don't exist just like some villain stuff, beside doesn't "everything he is, he is also not" sound like some non-duality thing?