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I want to discuss goku's scaling because it seems really weird to me for a number of reasons. One, the universe is infinite in size, stated multiple times within the daizenshuu.[]. Secondly it would had to have been happening infinitely fast if it were affecting an infinite sized universe (So possibly infinite speed?) And lastly contained within the universe 7 macrocosm are bodies that are comparable to the mortal universe in size, such as the kaioshin realm and heaven [] So I believe this feat that beerus and goku accomplished would get them to 2-c, and then with multipliers, training boosts, and everything else would get them to 2-b.
Furthermore, people like to debunk it using the bulma statement which i find wrong for a number of reasons.
For one Jaco contradicts this statement and explains that a center is impossible to find as stated here
Next about the edge thing, which holds less credibility since we already know the other half of the statement was wrong, doesn't work for a number of reasons. 1. How does bulma know shes on the edge? Is she able to see the the universe or even outside of her own planet? If so how far? I believe this statement only means as far as bulma can see, earth is the end of the universe, which means literally nothing unless this is an absolute fact. Secondly even if earth actually WAS at the edge, it doesn't even contradict it being infinite. For example there can simply be infinite space between the galaxies, as demonstrated in this model
Or the universe could be similar to a mathematical ray, (a 3 dimensional version of course) with earth as its starting point, and then the universe existing infinitely in one direction as outlined in this second model
Either way this statement doesn't even come close to debunking the universe being infinite in size, especially when the statements come from the daizenshuu which toriyama praise to the point he approves of their credibility and downplays his own.
I am of course willing to discuss this in vc in discord if you have any contentions to what i am saying, because i know threads like these take forever to get a reply from, and even longer to reach a consensus on.
LeSupremeKing#1481
Furthermore, people like to debunk it using the bulma statement which i find wrong for a number of reasons.
For one Jaco contradicts this statement and explains that a center is impossible to find as stated here
Next about the edge thing, which holds less credibility since we already know the other half of the statement was wrong, doesn't work for a number of reasons. 1. How does bulma know shes on the edge? Is she able to see the the universe or even outside of her own planet? If so how far? I believe this statement only means as far as bulma can see, earth is the end of the universe, which means literally nothing unless this is an absolute fact. Secondly even if earth actually WAS at the edge, it doesn't even contradict it being infinite. For example there can simply be infinite space between the galaxies, as demonstrated in this model
Or the universe could be similar to a mathematical ray, (a 3 dimensional version of course) with earth as its starting point, and then the universe existing infinitely in one direction as outlined in this second model
Either way this statement doesn't even come close to debunking the universe being infinite in size, especially when the statements come from the daizenshuu which toriyama praise to the point he approves of their credibility and downplays his own.
I am of course willing to discuss this in vc in discord if you have any contentions to what i am saying, because i know threads like these take forever to get a reply from, and even longer to reach a consensus on.
LeSupremeKing#1481