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I agree with thisThere should be a new rule, if there are a lot of supporters and disagreements, then the two sides should have a team battle on BT4, team that wins has their arguments approved on the wiki.
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I agree with thisThere should be a new rule, if there are a lot of supporters and disagreements, then the two sides should have a team battle on BT4, team that wins has their arguments approved on the wiki.
More quotesI'm planning on splitting the current Toei profile for Goku (might do the same for Vegeta or others) since there's too much stuff crammed into it all at once. Here's what the two profiles look like currently
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I just want to see what you guys might want me to add, change, tweak, remove, etc
Remove Self Sustenance Type 1 and replace it with Limited Space Survivability. We switched to this due to the fact that, while it’s undeniable they breathe in space during filler and in some of the currently accepted films, they also adhere to canon during the Namek-Frieza Sagas, where they don’t. So instead of having it SS-T1, we currently only accept them able to survive and fight in space for limited periods of time.I'm planning on splitting the current Toei profile for Goku (might do the same for Vegeta or others) since there's too much stuff crammed into it all at once. Here's what the two profiles look like currently
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I just want to see what you guys might want me to add, change, tweak, remove, etc
I don’t think I have an archnemesis, yet.Who is your archnemesis?
Myself.Who is your archnemesis?
But there is evidence for this'-'They're trying to upgrade Metal Cooler to Infinite.
Hopefully, this means I can upgrade base GT Goku and Granolah, too.
They're trying to upgrade Metal Cooler to Infinite.
Hopefully, this means I can upgrade base GT Goku and Granolah, too.
But there is evidence for this'-'
- Granolah and Gas can counter one another mid-Instant Transmission.
- Goku freely travels within the Sugoroku Space, which exists within the Subspace between dimensions, thus lacking the concepts of space and t If there's no space, there shouldn't be any speed, right? A null divided by a null is still just a null, right?
- Granolah and Gas can counter one another mid-Instant Transmission.
- Goku freely travels within the Sugoroku Space, which exists within the Subspace between dimensions, thus lacking the concepts of space and t If there's no space, there shouldn't be any speed, right? A null divided by a null is still just a null, right?
Pretty sure Timeless Void standards were altered to no longer give speed. Also, I’m pretty sure we separate Toei IT from Canon IT.
- Granolah and Gas can counter one another mid-Instant Transmission.
- Goku freely travels within the Sugoroku Space, which exists within the Subspace between dimensions, thus lacking the concepts of space and t If there's no space, there shouldn't be any speed, right? A null divided by a null is still just a null, right?
Canon teleportation isn't instantaneous, but the toei is, moving around in a place without spacetime doesn't give you infinite speed.
- Granolah and Gas can counter one another mid-Instant Transmission.
- Goku freely travels within the Sugoroku Space, which exists within the Subspace between dimensions, thus lacking the concepts of space and t If there's no space, there shouldn't be any speed, right? A null divided by a null is still just a null, right?
Yes, toei's teleportation is even mentioned as having instantaneous movementPretty sure Timeless Void standards were altered to no longer give speed. Also, I’m pretty sure we separate Toei IT from Canon IT.
Why the hell wouldn't it be?Canon teleportation isn't instantaneous
Everything is much more organizedI'm planning on splitting the current Toei profile for Goku (might do the same for Vegeta or others) since there's too much stuff crammed into it all at once. Here's what the two profiles look like currently
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It was you guys who did this for Goku's teleportation, so be the savior and do something about it, Null.Why the hell wouldn't it be?
yep, granolah blatantly kicks where gas is going to appear before he comes out of instant transmission, but unfortunately, funny cosmology stuff.They're trying to upgrade Metal Cooler to Infinite.
Hopefully, this means I can upgrade base GT Goku and Granolah, too.
Its argued on this site that it has a time frame or something, idk, its weird.Why the hell wouldn't it be?
yep, granolah blatantly kicks where gas is going to appear before he comes out of instant transmission, but unfortunately, funny cosmology stuff.
Honestly? Dunno. The argument is that it’s not instant because there is a time period where Goku concentrates, I think? Which doesn’t impact the fact it’s instantaneous disappearance and reappearance, but I think that’s the logic? Not sure/can’t remember.Why the hell wouldn't it be?
Well, I think we should try again, make it instantaneous.Honestly? Dunno. The argument is that it’s not instant because there is a time period where Goku concentrates, I think? Which doesn’t impact the fact it’s instantaneous disappearance and reappearance, but I think that’s the logic? Not sure/can’t remember.
There was one good counter argument, being the fact Cell’s Kamehameha was able to get out of orbit before Goku’s re-appearance to kick him, but after I pointed out how that doesn’t matter because IT has crossed greater distances in almost no time, outpaced significantly faster opponents, etc. and thus it’s an outlier, that thread devolved into non-fruitful discussion.
I mean, if we did, it’d also affect the Anime. Caulifla does the same feat Gas and Granolah does—She is able to predict, move, and punish Goku’s teleportation in the instantaneous moment of his IT.Well, I think we should try again, make it instantaneous.
I'm planning on splitting the current Toei profile for Goku (might do the same for Vegeta or others) since there's too much stuff crammed into it all at once. Here's what the two profiles look like currently
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I also added things like the gallery into these profiles![]()
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I just want to see what you guys might want me to add, change, tweak, remove, etc
Couldn´t the characters being counter attacking each other´s teleporatation by simple using ki sensing?I mean, if we did, it’d also affect the Anime. Caulifla does the same feat Gas and Granolah does—She is able to predict, move, and punish Goku’s teleportation in the instantaneous moment of his IT.
I mean, they’d still need the same level speed to detect the movement of Ki, as seen when the Z-Fighters lack of speed prevented them from sensing the Ki Signatures of the Ginyu’s when said team blitzed them.Couldn´t the characters being counter attacking each other´s teleporatation by simple using ki sensing?
I mean, they’d still need the same level speed to detect the movement of Ki, as seen when the Z-Fighters lack of speed prevented them from sensing the Ki Signatures of the Ginyu’s when said team blitzed them.
Is it like MID IT tho?I mean, if we did, it’d also affect the Anime. Caulifla does the same feat Gas and Granolah does—She is able to predict, move, and punish Goku’s teleportation in the instantaneous moment of his IT.
We can definitely do itI mean, if we did, it’d also affect the Anime. Caulifla does the same feat Gas and Granolah does—She is able to predict, move, and punish Goku’s teleportation in the instantaneous moment of his IT.
She predicted Goku's movements and then countered after Goku emerged from teleportation and began initiating an attack.Caulifla is able to predict and catch Goku’s IT punch.