Dragon Ball vs Sonic, a Goddess fights a Demon

[Zamasu_Chan]

Mechikabura: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mechikabura

V.S

Illumina: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Illumina

Speed equalized

Old man Devil:

Palutena rip off:

Inconclusive:

 

[Blueblur24]

How is Illumina a palutena rip off ?

Also can he kill abstract beings ?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

No one in Dragon Ball can touch abstracts.

Illumina erases.

 

[Akreious]

"Abstract Existence (The Embodiment of Dreams themselves)"

Hah screw that. Stomp.

 

[HST_Master]

No one in Dragon Ball can touch abstracts.

Illumina erases.

Except Voids' Void Manip doesnt even work like that. It was slowly destroying Maginaryworld over the course of the game. Most of Illumina's hax is non combat applicable.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

It was erasing Maginaryworld.

She just does the same to him.

 

[HST_Master]

Yes but very, very slowly. In fact at most it was going to change the way Maginaryworld looks 1st and destroy it overtime. The true way Void was gonna destroy Maginaryworld was corrupting all Precioustones and Maginaryworld with it as those are what's keeping it together. And he wasn't even doing it on purpose he has no control over it.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

It was basically a passive effect, plus Void is only half of Illumina.

So obviously Illumina's erasure will have more potency, and unlike with Void she will do it with the intention of defeating the opponent.

 

[HST_Master]

But not combat applicable. The world's he "destroyed" were just being by his darkness and something unnatural was happening to them (Emerald Coast freezing, The Phoenix turing into an aircraft). The worlds would have been eventually destroyed but they were nowhere close to destruction.

That said Mechikabura can't permanently kill her, but he can seal her.

 

[DMB_1]

What type of abstract is Illumina?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Illumina can erase Maginaryworld = she can erase opponents.

Also sealing a type 1 abstract, lol no.

 

[DMB_1]

If she can destroy the imaginary world, the means she's separated from dreams.

So she is either an abstract Type 2 concept or a Type 3 abstract. Choice is yours.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

She embodies and controls dreams.

Archie Illumina is a type 1 abstract.

 

[Dark_Matter557]

@ShadowWarrior

Go to amino

 

[DMB_1]

Embodying something with no further context doesn't really help.

Controlling Dreams doesn't make you a more potent abstract.

Archie is non-canon and it doesn't matter.

She could very well be a type 1, but I'd like more context.

 

[HST_Master]

Either Type 2 or 3. She created Maginaryworld and is the Goddess of Dreams themselves.

 

[Dark_Matter557]

And Illumina stomps via dream manipulation

 

[DMB_1]

Either Type 2 or 3. She created Maginaryworld and is the Goddess of Dreams themselves.

Are you talkking about what type of concept does she embody, or what type of abstract she is?

Yes, those are 2 different things.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Embodying something with no further context doesn't really help.

Controlling Dreams doesn't make you a more potent abstract.

Archie is non-canon and it doesn't matter.

She could very well be a type 1, but I'd like more context.

Illumina in Archie is no different other than the tier though. In fact the comics tell you to play Sonic Shuffle to find out what happens.

 

[HST_Master]

Illumina can erase Maginaryworld = she can erase opponents.

Also sealing a type 1 abstract, lol no.

This isn't archie illumima. This is Shuffle Illumina. And she can't do it instantly.

 

[DMB_1]

Illumina in Archie is no different other than the tier though. In fact the comics tell you to play Sonic Shuffle to find out what happens.

The comic tells you that because the same story happened in Archie, but Shuffle is still canonically separated from it.

Otherwise, regular Illumina and Archie Illumina would be the same profile.

 

[HST_Master]

@DMB

What her Abstract is. Shuffle Illumina is type 2 and 3.

EDIT: I meant or. My bad.

 

[DMB_1]

@Hst Master

Abstract Existence

She can be only one type at a time.

Since she outright created and destroyed the Imaginary World, I very much doubt she is a type 2 since that would imply that she has Immortality reliant on it.

Since she preadtesit though, she could either be any type of abstract of a type 2 Concept, or just a type 3 abstract.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

They're separate profiles because the game version is 2-B while Archie Illumina is 2-A due to infinite universes schenanigans.

I was the one who made the Archie Illumina profile BTW.

 

[DMB_1]

They have very different feats and this:

If she has shown feats in Shuffle than they can be applied to Archie

If she has shown other new feats in Archie however, then they cannot be scaled back to Shuffle.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Yes DMB, I know how this works.

Otherwise Shuffle Illumina would be 2-A which is obviously not the case.

 

[DMB_1]

Yes, and of course, Illumina being a Type 1 Abstract of a type 2 concept in Archie doesn't automatically mean she is like that in her Shuffle incarnation.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

That abstract existence Archie Illumina has comes from Shuffle.