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Now, before we'll get to "cosmology" from starters:
Speed:
What? Equalize other psychic attacks in speed to PK Thunder? Then why in hell we're even comparing PK Thunder to real thunder? Excuse me, but this is not how it works. If you want equalize PK Thunder to actual Thunder, then please, equalize other stuff, such as PK Fire to real fire and PK Freeze to actual Ice. Assuming PK attacks are same in speed is dumb.
Lifting Strenght:
Range:
1. It was not demonstrated for PSI abilities to reach Kilometers in game combat.
2. Same logic, if you want compare PK Thunder to irl Thunder, compare fire to fire, freeze to freeze and etc.
And now the most important thing.
Earthbound "Cosmology"
This occurs to everything Earthbound related, "Truth" of the universe, blog, The legends of localization, The Player, 5D stuff, anything what makes EB god tiers OP on this wiki if oversimplify.
Cause there's stuff like either taking stuff out of context, or taking words more than a simple metaphor.
Like, look at the "Truth" of the universe, it was mentioned only twice in the games. Twice, both times when it was mentioned as a concept, not as literal being.
And all quotes which blog uses can be taken as what it is. A simple Metaphor.
This, that, this, and everything else uses quotes and takes them too literally. For instance.
Ness's intelligence:
or
But ok, ok it is reliant on the Ness being somewhere else while being in Magicant. But what if I'm gonna tell you more than this.
lady and gentlemen I present you, official Earthbound Guidebook. Specifically page 96, Magicant page:
"But wait this is English guidebook and not Japanese"
Ok, find me Japanese one, post here and problem can be solved in theory. Besides most of the stuff English and Japanese version of Earthbound differ mostly in censure of some American products, such as monopoly or coca cola reference, of course to run out from potential lawsuits.
But I have not ended, here, we can see this being stated.
Here we can see that while Ness "was" in Magicant, he was sleeping. Which along with Mother 1 statement, along with official guidebook tells that Magicant was nothing more but a "mirage" a "world that exists only in your head" you could even say "dream", considering Ness and Maria were unconscious.
And another worth to say thing, the Player stuff is also bad constructed. I think we should all remember that I am the player, You are the player, game asks our name, not someone's else made up being.
This is not Undertale or Deltarune where there's something complex about player, since you are the player.
That all makes me want to either relook at all this stuff or just delete everything related to it.
It was easily accepted by a few mods previous time.
This time I want more people to take attention to the fact of how most of stuff about Earthbound in this wiki takes everything more serious than it supposed to be.
Speed:
I guess it comes because enemies can "dodge" PK Thunder am I right? Well, link itself with which is tried to be implies that enemies are dodging PK Thunder is wrong because PK Thunder "didn't hit anyone". Or in other words no one dodged PK Thunder, it just missed. The entire point of PK Thunder that it's hit or miss move, so thinking that someone actually dodges PK Thunder is iffy to say the least.Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions (PSI Users are shown to fight at speeds comparable to PK Thunder, which should behave like a real lightning due to it being naturally used from setient clouds, other than being able to fight opponents who are comparable to said attack as well)
What? Equalize other psychic attacks in speed to PK Thunder? Then why in hell we're even comparing PK Thunder to real thunder? Excuse me, but this is not how it works. If you want equalize PK Thunder to actual Thunder, then please, equalize other stuff, such as PK Fire to real fire and PK Freeze to actual Ice. Assuming PK attacks are same in speed is dumb.
Basically scaling to Mother 3 crew. Scaling in speed doesn't works however since Mother 3 events are basically hundreds if not thousands of years after Mother 2 where was already upgraded Porky with spider mech. In other words, either delete rela rating for any character except for Mother 3 crew at all, or change rating to "possibly" for anyone who is not from Mother 3.Relativistic+
Lifting Strenght:
Via submarine basically, nothing wrong but, it worth to specify exact submarine we are using for reference, since weight of submarine is pretty much varied. And overall feat should be calced.
Range:
Ok but this doesn't makes sense, since.possibly up to Kilometers with PSI (Comparable to Paula, who can use PK Thunder, which has been demonstrated by several enemies to behave similar to normal lightning)
1. It was not demonstrated for PSI abilities to reach Kilometers in game combat.
2. Same logic, if you want compare PK Thunder to irl Thunder, compare fire to fire, freeze to freeze and etc.
And now the most important thing.
Earthbound "Cosmology"
This occurs to everything Earthbound related, "Truth" of the universe, blog, The legends of localization, The Player, 5D stuff, anything what makes EB god tiers OP on this wiki if oversimplify.
Cause there's stuff like either taking stuff out of context, or taking words more than a simple metaphor.
Like, look at the "Truth" of the universe, it was mentioned only twice in the games. Twice, both times when it was mentioned as a concept, not as literal being.
And all quotes which blog uses can be taken as what it is. A simple Metaphor.
This, that, this, and everything else uses quotes and takes them too literally. For instance.
Ness's intelligence:
Since when "ultimate intelligence" means "knows everything"? This is not how any sort of omniscience works, it's like giving nigh-omniscience for just being smart.Nigh-Omniscient (Touched the Truth of the Universe and gained the ultimate intelligence, making him all-knowing about the Mother 1+2 timeline)
or
andUnknown for his avatars (Far faster than before, but on an unknown degree), Nigh-Omnipresent for his True Self
Not only it doesn't has justifications of Ness becoming literally a universe, but let's look at it's justification from blog:Immeasurable (Exists across all of time due to being the conscious mind of the universe). 12 (or 13 in the American release) as an Avatar
Oh cool, but what is said doesn't said in the video justifications relies to.Heavily implied to use avatars due of the true form being developed in Magicant, with the main body still being in the "main universe", meaning that Ness uses his physical body as avatar to interact with the timeline.
But ok, ok it is reliant on the Ness being somewhere else while being in Magicant. But what if I'm gonna tell you more than this.
lady and gentlemen I present you, official Earthbound Guidebook. Specifically page 96, Magicant page:
And well, that statement alone ruins most of stuff blog relies to (besides the obvious as heck metaphors), since blog assumes Magicant exists as separate universe while the guidebook (and let me repeat that official guidebook, which Nintendo by themselves posted online) says pretty clearly that Magicant is nothing more but a world inside of Ness's head.The land of Magicant exists only in your mind.
"But wait this is English guidebook and not Japanese"
Ok, find me Japanese one, post here and problem can be solved in theory. Besides most of the stuff English and Japanese version of Earthbound differ mostly in censure of some American products, such as monopoly or coca cola reference, of course to run out from potential lawsuits.
But I have not ended, here, we can see this being stated.
Which supports the guidebook. But to add more.Magicant was a mirage...
A mirage born of Maria's consciousness.
Here we can see that while Ness "was" in Magicant, he was sleeping. Which along with Mother 1 statement, along with official guidebook tells that Magicant was nothing more but a "mirage" a "world that exists only in your head" you could even say "dream", considering Ness and Maria were unconscious.
And another worth to say thing, the Player stuff is also bad constructed. I think we should all remember that I am the player, You are the player, game asks our name, not someone's else made up being.
andThat's right, you--the one holding the controller
There's no certain being who plays these games, we are the ones who are playing these games.Please tell me your name.
Yes, the name of the person playing this game.
This is not Undertale or Deltarune where there's something complex about player, since you are the player.
That all makes me want to either relook at all this stuff or just delete everything related to it.
It was easily accepted by a few mods previous time.
This time I want more people to take attention to the fact of how most of stuff about Earthbound in this wiki takes everything more serious than it supposed to be.
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