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Edens Zero: Abilities Revision 2.0

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Shiki Granbell & Ziggy


Electricity Manipulation

(Gravity Manipulators in Edens Zero have some sort of "gravitational electricity" that is present alongside them - whether it be in their attacks or their aura. Black Sky makes "black lightning" and Void is capable of explicitly electrocuting/zapping a target with Satan Gravity)

Paralysis Inducement

(Shiki placed a gravity trap that trapped Feather, making her unable to even take a step further even after he left the place)

Sleight of Hand

(Shiki managed to steal objects right under someone's nose on several occasions, including when he stole a briefcase from Weisz, and when he stole a fruit from Natsu. He also managed to trick Shura and threw him high up into the air without him even noticing)

Limited Time Travel (Not for his own use. He can make memories of some humans from 20000 years ago to fall into him. These are NOT the memories of the Shining Stars & Dark Stars. His power is the key to Rebecca's time travel, she feels a gravitational pull whenever she time travels. He "made the Cat's memories fall into this world". His power is also described as capable of making a girl fall from the future)

Digging

(he can make a 600m deep hole by taking a step, allowing him to explore one of Ziggy's underground bases - he specifically uses this to reach places underground)

Explosion Manipulation

(With Black Sky, he is able to generate a huge explosion that wipes out everything within its radius)

Minor Light Manipulation

(Shiki's transformation emits a bright light. Sometimes a flash of light is generated when he attacks)

Basic Information Analysis

(he's able to judge the strength and numbers of the people approaching while not even looking at them. Upon realizing his shape doesn't match his Ether, he is able to quickly analyze and come up with the optimal form that matches his Ether mid-fight)


Resistance to:

Heat Manipulation & Light Manipulation

(Even prior to the first time-skip:

He managed to survive inside the space-time distortion with 20000 exploding anti-matter bombs, which have a far better mass-energy conversion efficiency compared to fusion and fission bombs, and thus reach far greater levels of radiation and temperature in comparison.

In Universe 0:

he managed to withstand the power of the Chronophage Big Bang that was vaporizing Planets with its radiation, theoretically matching the temperatures during the nascent Universe "just after" the Big Bang due to the energy still being concentrated in a small region)

Existence Erasure, Age Manipulation (He resists Chronophage time eating, which is already a thing on his profile, but Resistance to the specific effects of this time eating aren't listed)

For Ziggy alone​


Low-Mid regeneration (Ziggy regenerated from having his head broken off, and reconstructed himself into a simulation of what his human self would look like. Even his mechanical head is regenerated once he went overdrive)

Weapon Control (with Xenoflare)

Chronophage


Longevity (she's been roaming the Universe for at least a century, alongside when Ziggy traveled back in time)

Creation (She can recreate the Universe with her Big Bang)

Light Manipulation, Heat Manipulation & Radiation Manipulation (She can generate 10^72 Joules of energy, she was Shining so bright that the Planets nearby were getting vaporized)

Air Manipulation (She can form a tornado around herself, and can also blow shiki away with a gust of air)

Explosion Manipulation (She can make large explosions)

Fissionism (Can separate itself into various mini-versions of itself from its body and send them across the universe)

Non-Physical Interaction (Chronophage has a Physiology that eats and tastes time, and time is its only food source)

Pocket Reality Manipulation (She has a world inside herself representing fragments of her memory, even has natural phenomenon such as crystallized earth ether raining)

Type-1 Inorganic Physiology for the Core (Rebecca already died, and Chronophage is her Ether taken form, but the Core created for herself a mechanical body, we see her body deconstruct and gears inside her body as she goes Overdrive)


And finally,


Existence Erasure for Gravity Manipulators stronger than Muller with Xenolith's powers

Chapter 237 -
Starts w/ the title "Vanished/Disappeared Planet"
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Laguna says "Foresta doesn't exist anymore"
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It is said that "A single Planet vanished INTO Gravity"
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Including the chapter title, the emphasis was on how it does not exist anymore, not just destroyed.

It was repeated again and again - Foresta literally Vanished/Disappeared into Gravity, and was stated that Foresta doesn't exist (sonzai shinai) anymore. We even see a visual.

This is solely achieved via Gravitational Compression to the extreme.
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To add further support, Xenolith has said before that what lies at the end of the path of Gravity is "Absolute Nothingness"
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Eraser

Furthermore, there is another Existence Erasure user in Edens Zero: Named Eraser.
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This is exactly the same statement and expression in Japanese used when he erases Existence.

He says: Disappear/Get Vanished

The goons at bottom also say "The ship is disappearing??

Japanese: 消えろ

Romaji: Kieru
English: Vanish. (Literally: "disappear," or in this context, "be gone.")

Panel 4 (Bottom Left):

Japanese: な・・・何が起こってるんだ・・・?

Romaji: Na... nani ga okotterunda...?

English: Wha... what's happening...?

Japanese: ちっ・・・待たか・・・船が消えて・・・

Romaji: Chi... mata ka... fune ga kiete...

English: Dammit... not again... the ship is disappearing...

Important phrases to take note of: "Kietanda" and "Sonzai Shinai"
 
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All looks good, though resisting the Chronophage should probably also give Shiki resistance to Time Manipulation
 
Resistance to:

Heat Manipulation & Light Manipulation

(Even prior to the first time-skip:

He managed to survive inside the space-time distortion with 20000 exploding anti-matter bombs, which have a far better mass-energy conversion efficiency compared to fusion and fission bombs, and thus reach far greater levels of radiation and temperature in comparison.

In Universe 0:

he managed to withstand the power of the Chronophage Big Bang that was vaporizing Planets with its radiation, theoretically matching the temperatures during the nascent Universe "just after" the Big Bang due to the energy still being concentrated in a small region)
Resistance to Heat is fine, but not Light manip

The rest is oke
 
Resistance to Heat is fine, but not Light manip

The rest is oke
Thanks! I just thought since he could look straight at her without blinding himself it could be Resistance to light manipulation (and also his eyes not getting fried inspite of being at the epicenter of Antimatter Bombs explosions https://share.google/KOUGcRhqtSvDjY2CK , his lost eye was because another character pulled it out of his eyesocket btw, not from the explosion. Even fission bombs can cause permanent blindness from significant enough distances https://www.atomicarchive.com/science/effects/flash-blindness.html whereas pre timeskip shiki was next to 20000 Antimatter Bombs each capable of destroying a planet)
 
Don't think that counts, it's just a localized application of gravity manipulation.

Rest looks fine though.
He wasn't actively using the gravity to pin her down, he placed a trap there and left. Does it not come under paralysis inducement inspite of that?

Furthermore, Telekinesis was listed as one of the methods in which Paralysis can be induced. Gravity trap should be similar right?

This ability may be its own power, or it may come as a result of the user having any of these abilities:

Poison Manipulation
Disease Manipulation
Status Effect Inducement
Fear Manipulation
Electricity Manipulation
Biological Manipulation
Telekinesis
Pressure Points
 
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He wasn't actively using the gravity to pin her down, he placed a trap there and left. Does it not come under paralysis inducement inspite of that?

Furthermore, Telekinesis was listed as one of the methods in which Paralysis can be induced. Gravity trap should be similar right?
Idk why TK is listed there tbh, literally any application of that can completely immobilize someone if you have the LS edge.
 
Idk why TK is listed there tbh, literally any application of that can completely immobilize someone if you have the LS edge.
Force page gives paralysis inducement to characters for the following reason:
Paralysis Inducement and Status Effect Inducement (With Force Stasis, which is capable of slowing down and freeze objects and people)
This is the linked imgur:

How should shiki be treated here? In my case I simply thought since the movement is restricted completely without Shiki's active effort, it would be paralysis inducement on Feather (who was unable to move thanks to being weighed down).

It wasn't specified in the P&A page that paralysis inducement is only applicable if the effect is on the nervous system or anything similar to how paralysis actually happens in real life.

Goku's God Bind was thanks to him restricting Broly with his aura ropes by wrapping it around Broly, locking him in place and making him unable to move. This was the linked evidence on his page:
 
Except for Paralysis Inducement, I've updated the rest of the abilities to the respective profiles. I am fine with excluding its addition in this CRT @Tllmbrg
 
Idk why TK is listed there tbh, literally any application of that can completely immobilize someone if you have the LS edge.
If they use TK to directly applies Paralysis effect on people then it is still count, same with using Gravity to achieve Paralysis effect. It is like using conceptual destruction to destroy one existence which is listed as both EE and CM
 
I see that this thread has seemingly been applied already and I apologize for the late response, but I wanted to say something about it.

Shiki Granbell & Ziggy


Electricity Manipulation

(Gravity Manipulators in Edens Zero have some sort of "gravitational electricity" that is present alongside them - whether it be in their attacks or their aura. Black Sky makes "black lightning" and Void is capable of explicitly electrocuting/zapping a target with Satan Gravity)
Looks fine

Neutral on this, I see it's already being handled.

Sleight of Hand

(Shiki managed to steal objects right under someone's nose on several occasions, including when he stole a briefcase from Weisz, and when he stole a fruit from Natsu. He also managed to trick Shura and threw him high up into the air without him even noticing)
Looks fine

Limited Time Travel (Not for his own use. He can make memories of some humans from 20000 years ago to fall into him. These are NOT the memories of the Shining Stars & Dark Stars. His power is the key to Rebecca's time travel, she feels a gravitational pull whenever she time travels. He "made the Cat's memories fall into this world". His power is also described as capable of making a girl fall from the future)
Seems ok, but the second-last scan doesn't appear.

Digging
(he can make a 600m deep hole by taking a step, allowing him to explore one of Ziggy's underground bases - he specifically uses this to reach places underground)
I don't see any digging here, he just collapses the ground with his gravity power and jumps into the hole.


Ok for both

This is ESP and Homura's talking here, not Shiki.

I'm not sure this truly qualifies as Info Analysis, I'd rather call it Accelerated Development if anything, as he's figuring out on the fly how to adapt his overdrive to his new body.

Resistance to:

Heat Manipulation & Light Manipulation

(Even prior to the first time-skip:

He managed to survive inside the space-time distortion with 20000 exploding anti-matter bombs, which have a far better mass-energy conversion efficiency compared to fusion and fission bombs, and thus reach far greater levels of radiation and temperature in comparison.
I'm sure it can be said that Shiki and Rebecca have endured the full blunt of the 20k bombs, since the narrative to that point made it very clearly that they would have killed everyone, which is also why Witch had to raise her matrix and literally give her life to protect the whole cast from the mere edge of the blast itself, which would have killed everyone (chapter 166).
It appears that the space-time compression turned the bombs into "fuel", which is why they got bumped in time of so many years. Also, using a wikipedia page that talks about theories isn't the best to explain science fiction.

In Universe 0:

he managed to withstand the power of the Chronophage Big Bang that was vaporizing Planets with its radiation, theoretically matching the temperatures during the nascent Universe "just after" the Big Bang due to the energy still being concentrated in a small region)

Existence Erasure, Age Manipulation (He resists Chronophage time eating, which is already a thing on his profile, but Resistance to the specific effects of this time eating aren't listed)
This should be ok

For Ziggy alone​


Low-Mid regeneration (Ziggy regenerated from having his head broken off, and reconstructed himself into a simulation of what his human self would look like. Even his mechanical head is regenerated once he went overdrive)
Regenerating via overdrive is fine but didn't he just lose his helmet in the first scan? I should look into the original chapter again, could you point it out to me?

Weapon Control (with Xenoflare)

Chronophage


Longevity (she's been roaming the Universe for at least a century, alongside when Ziggy traveled back in time)
These are fine

While technically true, I'd rather make it into space-time manipulation and/or reality warping

Light Manipulation, Heat Manipulation & Radiation Manipulation (She can generate 10^72 Joules of energy, she was Shining so bright that the Planets nearby were getting vaporized)

Air Manipulation (She can form a tornado around herself, and can also blow shiki away with a gust of air)

Explosion Manipulation (She can make large explosions)

Fissionism (Can separate itself into various mini-versions of itself from its body and send them across the universe)

Non-Physical Interaction (Chronophage has a Physiology that eats and tastes time, and time is its only food source)

Pocket Reality Manipulation (She has a world inside herself representing fragments of her memory, even has natural phenomenon such as crystallized earth ether raining)

Type-1 Inorganic Physiology for the Core (Rebecca already died, and Chronophage is her Ether taken form, but the Core created for herself a mechanical body, we see her body deconstruct and gears inside her body as she goes Overdrive)
These are all good

And finally,


Existence Erasure for Gravity Manipulators stronger than Muller with Xenolith's powers

Chapter 237 -
Starts w/ the title "Vanished/Disappeared Planet"
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Laguna says "Foresta doesn't exist anymore"
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It is said that "A single Planet vanished INTO Gravity"
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Including the chapter title, the emphasis was on how it does not exist anymore, not just destroyed.

It was repeated again and again - Foresta literally Vanished/Disappeared into Gravity, and was stated that Foresta doesn't exist (sonzai shinai) anymore. We even see a visual.

This is solely achieved via Gravitational Compression to the extreme.
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To add further support, Xenolith has said before that what lies at the end of the path of Gravity is "Absolute Nothingness"
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Eraser

Furthermore, there is another Existence Erasure user in Edens Zero: Named Eraser.
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This is exactly the same statement and expression in Japanese used when he erases Existence.

He says: Disappear/Get Vanished

The goons at bottom also say "The ship is disappearing??




Panel 4 (Bottom Left):





Important phrases to take note of: "Kietanda" and "Sonzai Shinai"
Seems ok but I'd put it as a possibly, considering we don't see further example of this ability nor any elaboration iirc.
 
I don't see any digging here, he just collapses the ground with his gravity power and jumps into the hole.
Isn't that what digging is? Instead of a tool to dig into the ground he used his gravity powers to dig a hole into the ground and reach Ziggy's Base.

The result is a hole dug into the ground via supernatural means with the purpose of digging a hole. Within context of the story the purpose is to navigate to underground bases.
This is ESP and Homura's talking here, not Shiki.
The extent of Ether power was sensed by both of them, they were both alerted. The number of people approaching was stated by shiki. But yeah this does not seem to be a valid evidence for information analysis after reading the page
I'm not sure this truly qualifies as Info Analysis, I'd rather call it Accelerated Development if anything, as he's figuring out on the fly how to adapt his overdrive to his new body.
Yeah this is accelerated development but cant this also be info analysis? He figured out the best "configuration" based on his analysis of his current state of Ether, forced/non-contemplative overdrive without this understanding/figuring it out just transforms him into his default form that boosts his Ether power, but that was the exact opposite of what he wanted.

He was able to analyze the state of his Ether and come up with the most optimal ether configuration that would be the best fit for his Ether. I thought this would qualify because we actually do see him analyzing it real time (we see Ether lines on his hand first as his pupils dilate, contemplating it)
I'm sure it can be said that Shiki and Rebecca have endured the full blunt of the 20k bombs, since the narrative to that point made it very clearly that they would have killed everyone, which is also why Witch had to raise her matrix and literally give her life to protect the whole cast from the mere edge of the blast itself, which would have killed everyone (chapter 166).
It appears that the space-time compression turned the bombs into "fuel", which is why they got bumped in time of so many years. Also, using a wikipedia page that talks about theories isn't the best to explain science fiction.
I can just keep the universe 0 justification alone since its much better,

But while they obv weren't facing close to the full brunt, the distortion encompasses them as well as the bombs that exploded within it (the bombs actually went off, and that energy was whats used as fuel), and hence were subject to extreme conditions - it was noted that their bodies had radiation contamination by robots in the future, and Shiki also survived until the exploring robots happened to find him. We aren't using this to scale his durability at this point of time because it cannot be quantified, but rather giving resistance as something like this would be sure death without it.

But Antimatter bomb is a popular enough concept that while not feasible to implement, its effects can be easily inferred to be far beyond anything from a nuclear fusion/fission bomb for a given mass solely based on mass-energy conversion efficiency. This is the highest radiation and heat/energy released from a reaction can get for a given mass of reactants involved (unlike e+e- annihilation, heavier particle annihilations release smaller % in gamma radiation but still a significant portion of energy released is still gamma radiation)
Regenerating via overdrive is fine but didn't he just lose his helmet in the first scan? I should look into the original chapter again, could you point it out to me?
No Ziggy doesn't have a helmet, his head is just plain mechanical, nothing Organic (such as nervous system unlike the shining stars), also seen when nero cut his head off. Look closely at the bottom panels - the head was completely shattered with emptiness underneath. Especially bottom middle panel - the head is completely gone until neck.

The "human" head just popped up to refill that emptiness. This is a construct of what he would've looked like if he grew older as Shiki, and he can see and speak with this head too, I.E, they perform the function they are supposed to perform

This is shown in both 202 and 203 (same thing shown twice)
 
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Isn't that what digging is? Instead of a tool to dig into the ground he used his gravity powers to dig a hole into the ground and reach Ziggy's Base.
The result is a hole dug into the ground via supernatural means with the purpose of digging a hole. Within context of the story the purpose is to navigate to underground bases.
No, digging, or underground mobility, requires the character to possess an active tool or skill that allows them to actually dig, not just remove the obstacle and pass through, similarly to how a very long jump isn't flight.
I remember when the ability was still being proposed and one of the requirements was to explicitly not give the ability to characters whose superhuman brawns (hax or physical) just allowed them to brute force their way through the ground.

The extent of Ether power was sensed by both of them, they were both alerted. The number of people approaching was stated by shiki. But yeah this does not seem to be a valid evidence for information analysis after reading the page
From how I interpret the scene the balloons are all Homura's even when Shiki's being shown, but the point stands. Shiki already has ESP anyway.

Yeah this is accelerated development but cant this also be info analysis? He figured out the best "configuration" based on his analysis of his current state of Ether, forced/non-contemplative overdrive without this understanding/figuring it out just transforms him into his default form that boosts his Ether power, but that was the exact opposite of what he wanted.
He was able to analyze the state of his Ether and come up with the most optimal ether configuration that would be the best fit for his Ether. I thought this would qualify because we actually do see him analyzing it real time (we see Ether lines on his hand first as his pupils dilate, contemplating it)
It's kind of a stretch, because Shiki's still developing his own skill in regards to that particular topic, a degree of analysis is required to improve in in literally every field, so this mental process is already encompassed by AD.

But while they obv weren't facing close to the full brunt, the distortion encompasses them as well as the bombs that exploded within it (the bombs actually went off, and that energy was whats used as fuel), and hence were subject to extreme conditions - it was noted that their bodies had radiation contamination by robots in the future, and Shiki also survived until the exploring robots happened to find him. We aren't using this to scale his durability at this point of time because it cannot be quantified, but rather giving resistance as something like this would be sure death without it.
It seems like cherry picking to me to consider Shiki and Rebecca to have been exposed only to the side effects of the bombs but not their blunt force. Even then, we don't know the degree of exposure they've had, how much the space time warp mitigated an effect or another, and the trauma still left them in terrible conditions.


But Antimatter bomb is a popular enough concept that while not feasible to implement, its effects can be easily inferred to be far beyond anything from a nuclear fusion/fission bomb for a given mass solely based on mass-energy conversion efficiency. This is the highest radiation and heat/energy released from a reaction can get for a given mass of reactants involved (unlike e+e- annihilation, heavier particle annihilations release smaller % in gamma radiation but still a significant portion of energy released is still gamma radiation)
Still, we use real life sources only for events and phenomena that have clear and proven documentation for a matter of transparency and safety, also because science fiction just ignores irl science most of the times.

No Ziggy doesn't have a helmet, his head is just plain mechanical, nothing Organic (such as nervous system unlike the shining stars), also seen when nero cut his head off. Look closely at the bottom panels - the head was completely shattered with emptiness underneath. Especially bottom middle panel - the head is completely gone until neck.
The "human" head just popped up to refill that emptiness. This is a construct of what he would've looked like if he grew older as Shiki, and he can see and speak with this head too, I.E, they perform the function they are supposed to perform
I know Ziggy's completely mechanical, but I've always interpreted him having a mechanical helmet over his mechanical face, and the middle panels not providing a clear visual for dramatic effects, also because there's no graphic indication or sound effect implying a regeneration or the formation of a new head.
 
No, digging, or underground mobility, requires the character to possess an active tool or skill that allows them to actually dig, not just remove the obstacle and pass through, similarly to how a very long jump isn't flight.
I remember when the ability was still being proposed and one of the requirements was to explicitly not give the ability to characters whose superhuman brawns (hax or physical) just allowed them to brute force their way through the ground.
A super long jump is never flight because they cannot keep themselves afloat on thin air. This example isn't really analogous to what Shiki did vs what digging is.

Unlike your example he isn't doing something else entirely, he is exactly doing what is known as digging as it is defined. The purpose of digging is removing soil to go through the ground, so the statement "actually dig not just remove an obstacle and pass through" is an oxymoron.

This is also a precise application of Gravity used solely for this purpose of exploring an underground base, not just some random attack/fight that just happened to make a hole in ground. I'm pretty sure making a 600m deep hole instantly would come under being "supernaturally adept at it"

Well unless the wiki thinks using a drill is any less brute forcing than using gravity to dig a hole...
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From how I interpret the scene the balloons are all Homura's even when Shiki's being shown, but the point stands. Shiki already has ESP anyway.
Did you watch season 2? Watch episode 19.
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It's kind of a stretch, because Shiki's still developing his own skill in regards to that particular topic, a degree of analysis is required to improve in in literally every field, so this mental process is already encompassed by AD.
Makes sense since this is not a more "universal" or "general" form of analysis.

And for resistance to heat and light, it would only be through Universe 0 big bang justification.
Still, we use real life sources only for events and phenomena that have clear and proven documentation for a matter of transparency and safety, also because science fiction just ignores irl science most of the times.
"Science fiction just ignores irl science most times" - the entire idea behind an Antimatter Weapon is the efficiency of annihilation. You don't say "well nuclear bombs in fiction aren't necessarily this hot because fiction often ignores reality" or "well light in fiction need not be as fast" or "lightning strikes need not be this hot" or for literally anything else that is calc'd on this site, thats just denying physics in instances where a fiction specifically references to real physics, it doesn't make sense.

Btw, I didn't say they didn't withstand the "blunt force", idk why you mentioned it. I only said the precise joules cannot be quantified, which is what's required to give any particular durability but this isn't needed to be aware of the frequency of the light emitted, kinetic energy of the particles (both of which depend on individual pairs) and the fact he was radiation contaminated, meaning he was subject to an unknown fraction of the explosion as well, and yet survived until the robots happened to find him. In fact they're not mutually exclusive, almost all of this "blunt force" is via Light/Radiation (not just gamma but also incl. other particles)/Heat (kinetic energy transfer from other particles) for annihilation; with neutrinos alone not transferring energy to other particles. But I digress
I know Ziggy's completely mechanical, but I've always interpreted him having a mechanical helmet over his mechanical face, and the middle panels not providing a clear visual for dramatic effects, also because there's no graphic indication or sound effect implying a regeneration or the formation of a new head.
The panel straight up shows empty space in that region, his head area was not hidden, its not even portrayed as a silhouette under the broken mask (which he had done on other occasions btw). A silhouette only pops up after the head was broken - and this silhouette is the suspense builder for next chapter on who it could be.

Well eitherway, I'll just keep it reserved for Overdrive then, I want to get this over with.

Because, even after Overdrive is undone you see his original robotic head and his whole form persist exactly as it used to be unbroken.
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