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Edgy hedegehog vs Edgy knight

Yeah but both were bloodlusted, MK didn't have his ship (I think) and the arguments for Shadow were laughable.
 
The arguements for shadow weren't at all laughable. If anything they were more credible.
 
Meta Knight has much higher AP here. Kirby's 4-As are not too far from being full on galaxy level while Sonic 4-As are superior to the Final Egg Blaster which blew up a star cluster.

Shadow however can spam teleportation to attack Meta Knight with spatial distortions to keep from getting hit. Time stop is also very useful here. Then he could BFR him outside space-time with Chaos Rift, I don't recall Meta Knight ever surviving without a space-time.

Giving this to Shadow with high difficulty.
 
If there's one thing that Shadow is good at doing, it's overcoming an AP advantage through sheer hax spam. Sparing a glance at his victories prove this pretty well.

That said, Shadow FRA. If Sonic spammed anywhere near as much as Shadow did, half his losses wouldn't be there OvO.
 
@Blueblur The arguements for Shadow consisted on him not using any of his OoC hax, but a specific combination of them to win, which is not how Bloodlust works or else characters who are always in that state would use the same moves over and over again forever. Not only that, but the Shadow voters also didn't aim for that specific combination of moves while ignoring the rest until knowing that the other hax Shadow had would not kill MK. Both being bloodlusted is also suspicious as MK didn't had hax at the time.

As for the this thread, MK takes it. He has Intelligence to use the initial range wisely, the combat experience to have higher chances in general, the AP to one-shot, the dura to ignore Shadow's attacks, and the resistances to most of his hax. The sheer experience against teleportation spam and MK being able to do that on his own is also very notable here. Shadow being in-character means that he's going to approach physically in combat before using hax other than his time stop.

>"I don't recall Meta Knight ever surviving without a space-time"

Another Dimension says hi.
 
>OOC for Shadow to use his hax.

Sonic Battle and Sonic Chronicles say otherwise. In Sonic Battle Shadow will spam spatial distorting attacks like Chaos Magic, Chaos Burst, Roaming Chaos, and Chaos Nightmare. Shadow uses Chaos Rift plenty in Chronicles, it just only appears in that one game. Shadow also lead with time stop against Infinite's replica of him in Forces.

Any ability Shadow has is fair game for him to start with. Also another dimension is not without space-time.
 
We consider bloodlust less as a rage filled state and more as the character using their best and strongest stuff right off the bat. Think of it almost like a TAS.
 
@ShadowWarrior What a way to take something out of context, "being in-character means that he's going to approach physically in combat before using hax other than his time stop"=don't "he time stops in-character" to me.

Show evidence of the rest. And it doesn't matter if a move is only in 1 game, just how he never uses it.

>"Any ability Shadow has is fair game for him to start with."

10/10. Also AD is beyond time and spece.
 
Upon doing no damage with his stuff he swaps to BFR then. Characters are allowed to use tactics fitting their scenario.
 
Meta Knight resists spatial manipulation, and idk why you didn't use Dark Meta Knight instead.
 
The real cal howard said:
Meta Knight resists spatial manipulation, and idk why you didn't use Dark Meta Knight instead.
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Doesn't mean it's useless. Shadow could still use it to keep Meta Knight from getting close.
 
Anywho, if Link lost to Matt, then Shadow is losing to Meta. Instant Shadow goes into h2h, he's a goner and you're gonna have a hard time convincing me that he uses nothing but Chaos hax (not just Chaos attacks) 100% of the time.
 
Doesn't mean it's useless. Shadow could still use it to keep Meta Knight from getting close.

Bro...Meta Knight can teleport...
 
Not seeing the Link and Matt comparison.

Meta Knight can teleport as well but not while Shadow freezes time and throws a Chaos Rift at him.

The fight can go either way, but I give it to Shadow 6/10 times.
 
Not how IC works, especially when the series has cutscenes showing what Shadow attacks with.
 
In-character just means how a character normally fights.

If in-character Shadow doesn't have a set move that he always starts with, and instead is shown to start with various different techniques, then "leading with anything" is in-character for him.
 
But what does the pot of greed do?

That card is just complex, i can't understand that "draw 2 cards", too hard dude.

On topic: im waiting, im thinking the vote.
 
From what I remember, he usually does lead with some sort of Chaos Power.

Chaos Control when he first met Sonic.

Chaos Control to avoid falling to his death during his boss battle.

Spammed teleportation against Infinite in H-2-H

Used Chaos Control to "save" Sonic in Forces.

Not based on the Emeralds, but spams nothing but Chaos Spear against Solaris as his means of attack.

He can use Chaos Control/Blast in every level during his game, but that's more up to the player.

Sonic Battle just tosses him a variety of Chaos Powers, but with that sort of game I don't think we can reliably count on it.

06 is the only instance I remember where he started out in H-2-H combat and used nothing else.

I honestly can't remember anything about Final Hazard, so sorry about that.

Even after all this, I can't genuinely tell you what he starts with in-character. It seems to be all over, which is terrible when looking for consistency.
 
Shadow in character is going to most likely go for the kill outright. Unlike meta knight who will try and be chivalrous and fight shadow fair and square.

And the only time really just used only h2h combat to defeat his opponent was against silver who he wasn't even trying to kill.

Also where is it stated that another dimension is beyond time and space.
 
Funny how you mention that Shadow wasn't trying to kill Silver yet you ignore how MK only goes for a fair fight against Kirby. Your vision and judgment of Shadow going most likely go for the kill outright IC and only using h2h combat once is something only you could believe.

Here.
 
Shadow does usually go for the kill. Heck, he ruthlessly slaughtered Infinite's Jackal Squad in Sonic Forces despite them being complete fodder.
 
I was by MK page and there it says that he prefers to fight chivalrous against anybody not just kirby and it also says that he prefers to clobber his opponent before using any special abilities.

Shadow almost always goes for the kill this isn't something that only I believe.

And bfr still works here as he would need to come back from it even if he could survive without space and time.
 
@Blueblur Kinda inaccurate when he never did that with anyone that isn't Kirby in canon. Anime MK does it I think.

>"Shadow almost always goes for the kill this isn't something that only I believe"

We know that you believe that, we don't know why.

>"And bfr still works here as he would need to come back from it even if he could survive without space and time"

Not as if he could use that before going into h2h combat. Also i'm preeety sure MK han access to Warp Star.

@ShadowWarrior You mean how anyone does that his own game? Also optional.
 
Going for the kill =/= going for the hax. Chaos Rift is the only thing that can get Shadow a win and I'm not even sure that'd work, as Galaxy's Knight did something similar, sending a rift beyond the space time continuum at Meta Knight, and it only damaged him.
 
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