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Astel blew up a moon ig.Hello, a summary of the arguments please.
Basically my idea is the following:Hello, a summary of the arguments please.
At least High 6-A, likely far higher, possibly 4-A is janky IMO.Basically my proposal would be something like this as an example
Yeah, its why I just changed it for the above.Just At least High 6-A, possibly 4-A is more clean
Nah **** emEven Godrick you think?
**** Radahn's hole
Who's late-game level?Source for the Astel thing?
Also Radahn was passively keeping the stars up, I doubt he would be using too much of his power to keep them there.
Also even if you don't want to use Radahn for scaling, Prime Radahn fought Malenia evenly, who you fight later. Demigod scaling should make her Mid-Game level.
Ehhhh. I don't think Malenia is mid game. She more like mid / late game at leastSource for the Astel thing?
Also Radahn was passively keeping the stars up, I doubt he would be using too much of his power to keep them there.
Also even if you don't want to use Radahn for scaling, Prime Radahn fought Malenia evenly, who you fight later. Demigod scaling should make her Mid-Game level.
people like Godfrey, maliketh, radagon, the elden beastWho's late-game level?
Yeah but Godrick is like, canonically the weakestAll the Demigods scale to each other though. You can also fight Mogh before ever doing Godrick.
here.Source for the Astel thing?
Also Radahn was passively keeping the stars up, I doubt he would be using too much of his power to keep them there.
Also even if you don't want to use Radahn for scaling, Prime Radahn fought Malenia evenly, who you fight later. Demigod scaling should make her Mid-Game level.
He is the weakest yeah, but he's evidently still somewhat relative, as he lasted long enough against Malenia to ask for mercy, and also Stormveil wasn't just steamrolled by one of his siblings. If any of the demigods was way weaker than the rest, they'd have died instantly during the shatteringYeah but Godrick is like, canonically the weakest
"Ahh, Great Runes are the stuff of demigods: the children of the goddess, Queen Marika. She who is vessel of the Elden Ring. Tainted by the strength of their runes, her children warred, but none could become Elden Lord. And so grace was extended, to your kind, the Tarnished"
Also I would have to say he's notably weaker. His relative Godefroy was defeated by a Dragon Knight and Margitt was the main reason other Tarnished hadn't killed him yet"Listen, the Fingers speak. "The Greater Will has long renounced the demigods. Tarnished, show no mercy. Have their heads. Take all they have left." ...Indeed. But remember one thing. The demigods are each and all the direct offspring of Queen Marika. Godrick the Grafted was but a distant relation... The runt of the litter, his divine blood sorely diluted".
Yeah considering this, I am certain Godrick is <<< the other Demigods. He was protected by Margit who was an Erdtree fanatic and it makes sense that he would attempt to halt any advance on the weakest of the Demigods.Also I would have to say he's notably weaker. His relative Godefroy was defeated by a Dragon Knight and Margitt was the main reason other Tarnished hadn't killed him yet
Didnt Radahn go mad via the Rot to the point where he started cannibalizing his own men?Also I'm with Paul on the matter of Radahn, if it wasn't clear. Radahn canonically wanted an honorable death, it doesn't make sense that he wouldn't go all out on you especially when he was the one being ganked.
Yes, he ate the corpses of those on the dunes, and the corpses of those he killed, I think it's noted that's all he could think of actually, just fighting, killing and gorging himselfDidnt Radahn go mad via the Rot to the point where he started cannibalizing his own men?
Somehow this made me chuckled lelWe'll need to wait for calcs anyway but yeah, Qawsedf appeared, Touko as well and suddenly, everything goes faster lol
Yeah but someone else on one of the two threads said the illusion is supposee to represent Renalla's prime? Before she went insane or something.I'm still 100% adamant that the Rennala we fight in phase 2 is Ranni's illusion.
Totally is imo. It doesn't make sense otherwise considering how much of an invalid Rennala is otherwise and how Ranni is shown to be strong enough to kill the Tarnished even as a doll.I'm still 100% adamant that the Rennala we fight in phase 2 is Ranni's illusion.
Mostly for the thread to decide.I see endgame is Maliketh through EB, which I agree with, late game seems to be Malenia, so like Haligtree and stuff, but what exactly are the cutoffs for mid and early game by this metric
The thing is, even a prime Rennala could legitimately just be an illusion. The Fell Twins blackened out an entire divine tower and stopped all the light. Rennala preforming a superior version of thst feat isn't wild.Yeah but someone else on one of the two threads said the illusion is supposee to represent Renalla's prime? Before she went insane or something.
Except we do know, because Ranni announces herself as Ranni the witch both during the cutscene, and when we meet her in Ranni's riseRemember that when we meet Rennala, Ranni was still using the moniker of Renna. She's working under the assumption we do not know she made the illusion and is trying to prop her mother up to her prime.
The Rennala we meet is too far gone and she's not even dead after we kill her in phase 2.
Who's the dog boy?With only Dog boy on being Elden Beast level (and maybe the dragon elden lord who's name escapes me).
Liurnia and Limgrave as early, Caelid, Altus and Volcano Manor as mid, then Leyndell through Fire Giant with the side areas as late game, with Maliketh, Placidusax, Godfrey and Radagon/EB as endgame, I seeMostly for the thread to decide.
But as a guess my assumption would be that we treat the Tarnished as solving everything in a particular area before moving on to the boss/Legacy Dungeon.
So maybe like group Godrick and Rennala for early game, Radahn and Rykard for mid-game and Morgott to Malenia for end game.
With only Dog boy on being Elden Beast level (and maybe the dragon elden lord who's name escapes me)
Rennala not being dead is simply because she's no danger to us, she's clearly alive after phase 1 and since Ranni's illusion drops the rune, there's no need to kill herExcept we do know, because Ranni announces herself as Ranni the witch both during the cutscene, and when we meet her in Ranni's rise
I'd say Rennala not being dead is just possibly thanks to her rebirth rune
The one who Marika gave destined death. I don't feel like butchering the spelling of his name atm.Who's the dog boy?
Well in my view the Tarnished getting there and fighting Mohg are two different things. Since you'll just be obliterated at such an early level if you try to go through there with Varre's quest.So I assume in this case we'd just assume the Tarnished didn't access Mohgwyn via Varre's quest while in Liurnia, and put Mohgwyn as lategame too?
Yeah. Though as a warning I may be like, subconsciously splitting based on the wiki pre-build level benchmarks and that may not be fully correct.Liurnia and Limgrave as early, Caelid, Altus and Volcano Manor as mid, then Leyndell through Fire Giant with the side areas as late game, with Maliketh, Placidusax, Godfrey and Radagon/EB as endgame, I see
Ah, MalikethThe one who Marika gave destined death. I don't feel like butchering the spelling of his name atm.