Erza Scarlet vs Kingler

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah...this is pretty much just...

"Can Erza exploit Kingler's weaknesses before Kingler melts her?"

Speed equalized. Both High 7-A.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Bump

 

[Delta3000]

Hard to say really kingler has probably the better power set so It will likely come down to whoever has the most physical strength:which is likely erza from what I recall.

 

[Mickey1940]

Kingler stomps

1 GMax Foam Burst and it's guaranteed GG since it halves Erza's speed

And it's entirely in-character for Kingler to pull that out of his *ss from the get-go

And it's also entirely in-character for Kingler to spam it, reducing Erza's speed even more

So despite the AP advantage Erza has, Kingler should stomp

 

[Daddybrawl]

It’s not a Stomp if the opponent has a wincon, but never gets to use it. If Erza has the AP advantage, that means it’s specifically not a Stomp because she could always beat Kingler down, it’s just unlikely. A Stomp is something like putting Goku against Mewtwo, when Mewtwo has thought-based Mind Control.

 

[Delta3000]

I just looked at their speeds at and kingler is at least five times faster, so this is a bit stompy.

 

[Daddybrawl]

It’s a Speed Equal match. Speed’s equalized. It’s in the OP.

 

[Mickey1940]

It’s a Speed Equal match. Speed’s equalized. It’s in the OP.

I'm aware but Kingler can lower people's speed.

So they start in speed equal, Kingler uses 1 G-Max Foam Burst, now he's 2 times faster.

 

[Daddybrawl]

I was talking to Delta. I already addressed your post of saying this was a stomp before then.

 

[Mickey1940]

ok so

The reason why I think it's a stomp is cause Erza's main wincon, Lightning Empress, is not a leading move in-character

GMax Foam Burst is a leading move in-character, and it's spammable, plus it's not his only speed-lowering move. Max Strike also slows

Despite Erza's AP advantage, Kingler can take a few hits and slow Erza down by 4 times

Then he can just spam other moves like Max Knuckle and Max Steelspike to raise his stats so high that Erza can't touch him,

 

[Daddybrawl]

A: That means they Ezra does, in fact, have a win-con, therefore meaning it’s not a Stomp.
B and C: I don’t think it literally halves someone’s Speed, that’s just the effect in the games. Then again, I don’t think we have any other value of how much it slows, so halving works I guess.
Lastly, lets not forget the Bubbles that Kingler spits out do, in fact, work as an Acid and can even melt foes. Would that apply to his Foam Burst, which I will assume has Bubbles?

 

[00potato]

“Well I don’t think it does.”
Well that is what it does in-game. Can you show any lore that proves it as just game mechanics? If we don’t have a value outside of the game, why would we not use the game?

 

[Daddybrawl]

That’s... what I said. I legit agreed with your post before you even sent it, lol. Read again: ‘Then again, I don’t think it has any other value for how much it slows, so that works I guess.’
I’d like to note I’m not disagreeing here, I’m just further elaborating on the Wincons for everyone and establishing how this isn’t a stomp

 

[Imaginym]

(I worry I'll regret getting involved in a Pokemon vs Fairy Tail Versus Thread Match at all, but....)

Indeed, AFAIK, we don't have other values for how much the move effects modify stats, so the in-game values are the main actual numbers we have.
There's also that non-Pokemon don't have a known limit to how high or low their stats can be modified, unlike Pokemon, but anyway.

Whee, stat stages.

Stat - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia

bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net

For Attack, Defense, Special, Sp. Attack, Sp. Defense, and Speed

Stage multipliers

Stage	-6	-5	-4	-3	-2	-1	0	+1	+2	+3	+4	+5	+6
Gen I-II	25/100	28/100	33/100	40/100	50/100	66/100	100/100	150/100	200/100	250/100	300/100	350/100	400/100
Gen III+	2/8	2/7	2/6	2/5	2/4	2/3	2/2	3/2	4/2	5/2	6/2	7/2	8/2

Thanks, Bulbapedia. So, unlike with increases to above stage 0, which are just each +50% of base value, decreases to below 0 have diminishing returns on the decreases the lower a stage one goes to; Going from 0 to -2 is 100% to 50%, -2 to to 4 is 50$ to 33%, & -4 to -6 is 33% to 25%.

Of course, even without knowing how it could go, further along, if at all, being at one quarter speed (or lower.) could be quite problematic.

 

[Imaginym]

Bumping for interest.

 

[Mickey1940]

acid doesn't apply to his Max Moves

but he doesn't need it