Frieza vs Turles (GRACE)

[Vizer04]

Frieza VS Turles

• Fight Location: New York (USA)
• Starting Distance: 100m
• Both in-character
• Speed Equalized

They start in Base Forms but Frieza can transform and Turles can eat the Fruit of Might

AP Section
Frieza: 4.89 Tenatons of TNT
Turles: 5.41 Tenatons of TNT

Votes
Frieza: 7 (@Vizer04, @StekFence, @Mariogoods, @FluffyCreatureZ, @Sonicflare9, @Popted2 and @Acer__)
Turles:

 

[StekFence]

I mean, if goku black here gives freiza any real trouble, freiza can always transform blitz one shot

 

[StekFence]

Actually, it seems freizas forms are only superior in his final form. Hmm

 

[Thebestsilver]

This Frieza is prohibited from accessing golden, right? I say this because his profile is unified and does not have a clear restriction, but I deduce that its a battle limited to DBZ

 

[Vizer04]

Yes, this is Namek Saga Frieza and that means no Golden Form

 

[Thebestsilver]

Yes, this is Namek Saga Frieza and that means no Golden Form

Well, then I'll wait to see more comments to assess my vote, at the moment I'm not sure.

In an early premise where they start evenly matched, Turles could eat the fruit, which, if tactically correct, could defeat Frieza before transforming

 

[Vizer04]

Bump

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

The AP difference is negligible and frieza upscales much much more than turles, so I give it to freeza for having the better skill and intelligence far better stamina and more techniques

 

[StekFence]

The AP difference is negligible and frieza upscales much much more than turles, so I give it to freeza for having the better skill and intelligence far better stamina and more techniques

If frieza pressures black goku v1 too much here, he could eat a fruit and then win. im not voting, but that’s a possiblity

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Wait if freeza eats the fruit of might then freeza is completely screwed. This will always go to turles if he can eat it since if he's ever in trouble then he can eat a snack and stomp.

 

[StekFence]

Wait if freeza eats the fruit of might then freeza is completely screwed. This will always go to turles if he can eat it since if he's ever in trouble then he can eat a snack and stomp.

the way I see it, freiza is prob gonna be winning at first, but not stomping. Because of this, black goku v1 is gonna have the opportunity and need for snack time. However, if turles could be argued to be winning at first, then freeza transforms gg. Alternatively, freiza could start off really hungry, and eat the fruit himself.

 

[Vizer04]

freiza is prob gonna be winning at first

How? Turles has the AP advantage at the beginning of the fight

 

[StekFence]

How? Turles has the AP advantage at the beginning of the fight

frieza can take way more punishment, and has minor regen as he transforms, and has very good aim. Turles isn’t that much stronger

 

[StekFence]

Also, serious freiza scales a lot higher than his ap amount, which was casual. So the ap difference should actually be quite tiny

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Turles > Dr. Wheelo > Saiyan Saga KK3 Goku = 3 * Base Saiyan Saga Goku = 1.8 Tenatons

Frieza >> Casual Frieza = 4.89 Tenatons

However, when Turles ate from the tree of might, he stomped Movie 3 KK10 Goku, who is in Base Superior to his Kaioken times 4 self, so Turles would be > 72 Tenatons

That said, Frieza can go to his final form, which would make him 97.8 Tenatons in 50% and 195.6 in 100% of his power

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

If freeza goes final form he wins, I thought it was restricted.

 

[StekFence]

If freeza goes final form he wins, I thought it was restricted.

I don’t think he do it immediately vs a saiyan only in the ball park of his first form

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Turles has the AP advantage on third form freeza. This battle is only fair if both fonal form and the fruit are restricted.

 

[StekFence]

Idk. Cos really, either char can gain the ap advantage depending on character

 

[Vizer04]

Turles has the AP advantage on third form freeza. This battle is only fair if both fonal form and the fruit are restricted.

It's still fair, we just have to know who would use their advantage first

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

If nothing is restricted then they fight, turles eats fruit, freeza transforms, freeza stomps.
If freeza is restricted, they fight, turles eats fruit, turles stomps.
If everything restricted, they fight, freeza eventually wins for my reasons.
Actually now that I thknk about it, freeza has no reason to transform to his final form if turles eats fruit since he can't sense ki, so the battle is fair. So I'm voting turles for 1 shotting with fruit.

 

[Vizer04]

Why would Turles eat the fruit?

 

[Vizer04]

I mean, why would he do that before Frieza decides to transform?

 

[StekFence]

I mean, why would he do that before Frieza decides to transform?

He’s not gonna make any headway vs frieza who tanked hits from someone way stronger than freiza for an hour. Especially seeing how turles strength is basically = to freezas. On top of this, freiza has a reputation for being dangerous and powerful, so turles is gonna be on guard

 

[Vizer04]

So, are you voting for him? For Turles?

 

[StekFence]

Yeah

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Frieza would immediately transform when Turles would power up, and then he would win

 

[StekFence]

Frieza would immediately transform when Turles would power up, and then he would win

if Turles powers up first, he wins via blitz

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

if Turles powers up first, he wins via blitz

But wouldn't Turles start as stronger? Why would he use the fruit on a seemingly weaker opponent?

Besides, Frieza has a scouter normally. If he senses Turles power up, he'll do the same, and win

 

[StekFence]

But wouldn't Turles start as stronger? Why would he use the fruit on a seemingly weaker opponent?

He’s gonna figure out pretty soon he literally can’t win vs 1st form frieza without fruiting. The guys way to tanky, and is dishing out Damage back

 

[StekFence]

But wouldn't Turles start as stronger? Why would he use the fruit on a seemingly weaker opponent?

Besides, Frieza has a scouter normally. If he senses Turles power up, he'll do the same, and win

Turles is only weaker than final form frieza when he’s fruited, so I think frieza just wouldn’t have enough time to get to final form, before turles beats him

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

He’s gonna figure out pretty soon he literally can’t win vs 1st form frieza without fruiting. The guys way to tanky, and is dishing out Damage back

And what stops Frieza from transforming into his final form once he senses Turles powering up?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Turles is only weaker than final form frieza when he’s fruited, so I think frieza just wouldn’t have enough time to get to final form, before turles beats him

I wouldn't be so sure, given Base Frieza in DBS Broly powered up to his Golden form very quickly even when facing SSJ Broly

 

[StekFence]

But wouldn't Turles start as stronger?

Additionally, turles isn’t necessarily that stronger, as he scales above a guy who scales above a guy, who did a better feat than casual one finger frieza, so the ap gap prob isn’t very much

 

[StekFence]

I wouldn't be so sure, given Base Frieza in DBS Broly powered up to his Golden form very quickly even when facing SSJ Broly

only after extensive training.

 

[StekFence]

And what stops Frieza from transforming into his final form once he senses Turles powering up?

Well, first form frieza is way slower than powered up turles at this point. His reaction speed can’t keep up with turles‘ present combat speed if Turles gets to eat the fruit

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Well, first form frieza is way slower than powered up turles at this point. His reaction speed can’t keep up with turles‘ present combat speed if Turles gets to eat the fruit

Frieza was also way slower than SSJ Broly when he turned into Golden Frieza, way more so than the difference in speeds here. Besides, powering up in Dragon Ball is very quick, and Frieza would transform as soon as his scouter notices the sharp increase in power level

 

[StekFence]

Frieza was also way slower than SSJ Broly when he turned into Golden Frieza, way more so than the difference in speeds here.

Outlia

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Outlia

Frieza was never outspeeding Broly. Not even being able to keep up in the slightest, but he still got enough time to transform.

Besides, again, Frieza will notice Turles power up and do the same. He has a scouter to notice such thing

 

[Vizer04]

I have to agree with Gilad on this one, Frieza would notice that Turles is stronger than him thanks to the Scouter and would transform in response. Then it's all over for Turles as he doesn't have the AP to fight Frieza on his Final Form.

Turles probably wouldn't eat the Fruit since he isn't at disadvantage (at least, at the beginning of the fight)

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