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The fight takes place on top of World Marshal's HQ like in Sundowner's boss fight, speed is equalized, Grievous has prior knowledge on Bloodlust and Sundowner has Prior Knowledge on Grievous' stats.

General Grievous :

Sundowner :

Incon :
 
"He is also susceptible to speedy and agile opponents such as Raiden, often resorting to dirty tactics to keep them distracted so he can close in such as the use of Canard Rotors or cyborg soldiers."

Doesn't work against someone who's not only way faster, but also leagues stronger.

Legends Grievous wins with ease.
 
Both Sundowner and Grievous can kill/incap the other in one good hit, Sundowner is more skilled but Grievous tends to sneak attack, and since starting distance is tens of meters... he can sneak attack.
 
Both Sundowner and Grievous can kill/incap the other in one good hit, Sundowner is more skilled but Grievous tends to sneak attack, and since starting distance is tens of meters... he can sneak attack.
I might be missing something. But how can at most City+ hurt at least Planet who can withstand techniques Sundowner would pull even if they do harm his organic parts?

I know, Star Wars scaling drastically varies between different media, quite confusing.
 
I might be missing something. But how can at most City+ hurt at least Planet who can withstand techniques Sundowner would pull even if they do harm his organic parts?

I know, Star Wars scaling drastically varies between different media, quite confusing.
How to tell me "I didn't read Sundowner's profile" without telling me "I didn't read Sundowner's profile". Macro quantum cutting negs durability, who woulda thought.

Also, I support legends. And am knowledgeable.
 
How to tell me "I didn't read Sundowner's profile" without telling me "I didn't read Sundowner's profile". Macro quantum cutting negs durability, who woulda thought.

Also, I support legends. And am knowledgeable.
I get the impression that the durability negation isn't unlimited as types of synthetic carbon are able to withstand it, and that's why I said my point. And duranium in Legends seems roughly comparable to impervium, something stronger than Carbon-Nanofilament Armor in Legends.

I assumed that blasters and lightsabers in Legends worked in a similar way for the purposes of VS matches anyway due to being able to hurt characters with large-scale feats, even though it's not said that they're planet level in the stories, I don't think.

I never said you weren't any of those two things.
 
I get the impression that the durability negation isn't unlimited as types of synthetic carbon are able to withstand it, and that's why I said my point. And duranium in Legends seems roughly comparable to impervium, something stronger than Carbon-Nanofilament Armor in Legends.
That's a part of the makeup of the armor, Grievous is metal and flesh, not carbon/ceramic and flesh. He will be cut.
I assumed that blasters and lightsabers in Legends worked in a similar way for the purposes of VS matches anyway due to being able to hurt characters with large-scale feats, even though it's not said that they're planet level in the stories, I don't think.
Heat has limited ability to dura neg, in this case lightsabers are bananas stupid in heat so...
I never said you weren't any of those two things.
I'm saying it's not complicated if you know which one you're talking about.
 
That's a part of the makeup of the armor, Grievous is metal and flesh, not carbon/ceramic and flesh. He will be cut.

Heat has limited ability to dura neg, in this case lightsabers are bananas stupid in heat so...

I'm saying it's not complicated if you know which one you're talking about.
How does duranium not scale to Legends CNA? Impervium should be stronger than both and used in space, but duranium is similar to impervium and has feats like withstanding that air. I'm guessing that is a tensile strength feat. And Grievous and the MagnaGuard are built for fighting Jedi whose weapons are heat-based and who can use telekinesis pulling attacks so there are similar properties to Metal Gear carbon nanotubes too.
 
How does duranium not scale to Legends CNA? Impervium should be stronger than both and used in space, but duranium is similar to impervium and has feats like withstanding that air. I'm guessing that is a tensile strength feat. And Grievous and the MagnaGuard are built for fighting Jedi whose weapons are heat-based and who can use telekinesis pulling attacks so there are similar properties to Metal Gear carbon nanotubes too.
I'm not explaining basic physics for why this metal does not equal this non-metal in how well it does against a macro-quantum cutting blade. Its not a durability thing it's a physics thing.
 
I'm not explaining basic physics for why this metal does not equal this non-metal in how well it does against a macro-quantum cutting blade. Its not a durability thing it's a physics thing.
Star Wars, especially Legends in attack, durability, and material production, tends not to use basic physics for some things.

I personally believe that many of these kinds of arbitrary sci-fi metals would be better than artificial materials Earth can make, even Metal Gear Earth. That even includes Legends CDA with carbon nanotube technology presumably much more researched than in reality and in Metal Gear mixed with yet another fictional metal. And Grievous's armor should be comparable to but inferior to impervium, a substance that should be above CDA and with presumably very similar fictional properties. That's the vibe I get from many space opera stories in general with huge ships and supply chains.

Grievous doesn't have HF, but to me in most other ways, he's very comparable to Raiden with more arms, even faster speed, and greater capability to resist explosive shields.
 
I should restate, if there is no proof that this METAL has comparable strength when it comes to bonds between Quarks to this NON-METAL material, then we can't use that argument.

As in, none of what you're saying matters in this case because it DOES NOT APPLY. "But it doesn't follow physics", but HF blades do and require a physics-based defense to them.
 
I guess I'm going with Sundowner. The main reason is because of the "hit without touching" crap of his blades so this should seal him the win really easily.
Sundowner, low diff.
 
I guess I'm going with Sundowner. The main reason is because of the "hit without touching" crap of his blades so this should seal him the win really easily.
Sundowner, low diff.
Good reason Grievous has prior knowledge of that, huh?
 
I should restate, if there is no proof that this METAL has comparable strength when it comes to bonds between Quarks to this NON-METAL material, then we can't use that argument.

As in, none of what you're saying matters in this case because it DOES NOT APPLY. "But it doesn't follow physics", but HF blades do and require a physics-based defense to them.
All right. But Grievous is resistant to cosmic radiation, another process that can affect electrons by removing them from atoms for organic tissue and metal through ionizing, something that sometimes negatively affects electronics.

Ionization and quantum decoherence attacks like in MGR are very different processes from what I know, as the latter is a non-physical thing. And the sword is a lot larger than cosmic radiation, which is roughly only 1% electrons, I believe. But Star Wars metals can resist electricity-related atom disruption to an extent.
 
All right. But Grievous is resistant to cosmic radiation, another process that can affect electrons by removing them from atoms for organic tissue and metal through ionizing, something that sometimes negatively affects electronics.
A bunch of nothing you're saying since Radiation is something that Sundowner doesnt have.
, I believe. But Star Wars metals can resist electricity-related atom disruption to an extent.
Not on the profile.
 
A bunch of nothing you're saying since Radiation is something that Sundowner doesnt have.

Not on the profile.
I'm making the comparison because some of the explanation for one of the MGR videos on the profile involves matter manipulation through electron-level feats. Star Wars's stories have no counterpart to the exact quantum feat.

But Grievous has a level of resistance to electron manipulation through CR resistance. And cosmic rays do cause quantum decoherence (what is mentioned in MGR video) in real life as well, unless the amount is either far too small compared to the opposition or this cannot be used in this fight, and his body is at least somewhat resistant to the effects of those rays.

I get the impression that the vibration would do some damage, but ultimately be something he can deal with even without an arm or two.
 
Wait, I made a serious mistake.

I confused Galactic Defense lore when looking that up for Legends lore just because Legends references were in it. The actual metal scaling is weaker than what I was saying, despite Legends being stronger than canon.

Duranium can take glancing blows from lightsabers only. Won't save the chest cavity, Sundowner wins.
 
I think Sundowner can handle Griveous even if he manages a sneak attack. Considering his skill level in MGRR, where he's fought opponents like Raiden, it shouldn't be too difficult for him to anticipate some kind of surprise move. I'm not saying Sundowner can directly counter it, but I can see him defending adequately. Sundowner FRA.
 
question: i've heard about this Sundowner guy being skilled, but how skilled is he?
 
question: i've heard about this Sundowner guy being skilled, but how skilled is he?
Very skilled. A lot more so than people like early Metal Gear characters who are already crackheads in terms of skill.
 
question: i've heard about this Sundowner guy being skilled, but how skilled is he?
He'd skillstomp Grievous if Grievous didn't sneak attack.
I think Sundowner can handle Griveous even if he manages a sneak attack. Considering his skill level in MGRR, where he's fought opponents like Raiden, it shouldn't be too difficult for him to anticipate some kind of surprise move. I'm not saying Sundowner can directly counter it, but I can see him defending adequately. Sundowner FRA.
Can't defend adequately when one hit is incapacitating here.
 
Very skilled. A lot more so than people like early Metal Gear characters who are already crackheads in terms of skill.
hm
Then yeah, if Grievous can sneak on him, which is very likely due to this guy's prediction abilities not comparing to Jedi's, it's GG
dangerous mfs in canon are 3x more dangerous in Legends, and if there's a dangerous and skillful guy in this verse, it's Grievous
 
If Grievous' claim to fame was not stealthing Jedi, He'd outright lose.
Even though this guy's comparing to base MGRR Raiden? quite impressive
Y'all must have some loose screw on the Legends' Supporters side to face MG characters of this level
 
Even though this guy's comparing to base MGRR Raiden? quite impressive
Y'all must have some loose screw on the Legends' Supporters side to face MG characters of this level
I chose Sundowner specifically because he's one of the most popular options for Grievous if he gets onto Death Battle that I've seen. Him and Adam Smasher.
 
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