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Genos vs Gun Devil

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Round 1: Genos Post-G4 vs Gun Devil 20%, distance is 500km, no speed equalization (endurance test for Genos basically), rest is SBA.
Genos Post-VGS vs Gun Devil 20%, distance is 500km, no speed equalization, the rest is SBA.
Round 2: Genos Post-G4, Gun Devil 100%, distance is 10km, the rest is SBA.
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Round 1

Genos:

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Round 2

Genos:

Gun Devil:

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I thought Gun Devil would just shoot where he stood, until Genos couldn't take the bullets.

If the bullets aren't enough, then Gun Devil will crash straight into Genos and that will be the end?
 
I thought Gun Devil would just shoot where he stood, until Genos couldn't take the bullets.

If the bullets aren't enough, then Gun Devil will crash straight into Genos and that will be the end?
Nope, Genos has faster movement speed
 
Long ranges shots won't work. They aren't fast enough to blitz over 500km as he gap between that and Genos' base speed is only 32x and he has sensors that can pick up the speeds of character who are faster than he can track normally long before they reach him.
His supercomputer and trajectory calculations as well as high mobility and flight thanks to boosters and speed amps would allow him to easily avoid danmaku, or even counter it with strikes of his own using Machine Gun Blow.

If the Gun Devil crashes into Genos' location, I can't see Genos losing. He's far more analytical and skilled in combat, is faster in base by 2.5x and has very potent speed amps, has eye sensors that would allow him to locate when Gun Devil is going to pull the trigger and stop him before he does it, rendering his superior attack speed useless. Gun Devil has no way to avoid getting fried to death by high voltage electricity, vaporized by spammed incineration cannons, or blown from the inside out.


Genos also has much better lifting strength which he can and will use to rip him limb from limb or keep him in place with adhesives to vaporize him entirely.
 
Long ranges shots won't work. They aren't fast enough to blitz over 500km as he gap between that and Genos' base speed is only 32x and he has sensors that can pick up the speeds of character who are faster than he can track normally long before they reach him.

His supercomputer and trajectory calculations as well as high mobility and flight thanks to boosters and speed amps would allow him to easily avoid danmaku, or even counter it with strikes of his own using Machine Gun Blow.

If the Gun Devil crashes into Genos' location, I can't see Genos losing. He's far more analytical and skilled in combat, is faster in base by 2.5x and has very potent speed amps, has eye sensors that would allow him to locate when Gun Devil is going to pull the trigger and stop him before he does it, rendering his superior attack speed useless. Gun Devil has no way to avoid getting fried to death by high voltage electricity, vaporized by spammed incineration cannons, or blown from the inside out.


Genos also has much better lifting strength which he can and will use to rip him limb from limb or keep him in place with adhesives to vaporize him entirely.
As Genos gets closer stuff is gonna be much harsher for him. Gun Devil have incredible aiming, and at a range of 1km his aim is basically a guarantee hit at critical point (or the heart). Gun Devil can fire at extreme rate at that, and Genos would've wasted a lot of energy fending off against the barrage and flying over 500km to Gun Devil already.

Also, I don't see his sensors keeping up with hundreds of bullets that is 2 blitz tiers above him when he could hardly track Saitama casually running directly with his eyes, I remember him fighting cockroach but he got completely blizted in that fight iirc, his sensors didn't help at the slightest.

Basically, I don't see how his speed amp would help much since we don't actually know how much it actually amps him, and it's not that Genos could use that for a long time either. And his extra sensory lacks actual good enough feat to fend off against extreme accuracy danmaku thay fires at extreme rate, without even triggers to indicate when they're about to be shot.

Plus, you said that long range shot won't work, but Genos can't actually see bullets too far away though? Before we even talk about the curvature of the earth (SBA btw, no OPM earth) which makes Genos's normal sensory (which he used to track Saitama) useless, I don't see any feats indicating that Genos could sense small projectiles even kilometers away, let alone when they're flying at extreme speed. He could detect high speed objects from who knows how far away, he can also detects life forms in his vicnity (which wouldn't help much here) but he lacks the actual range feat of that ability. I see at most several kilometers and that's it. And even if he could sense something moving fast is coming, he didn't show that he could know exactly where they are coming from.
 
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I thought 4km was the max distance you could put between characters
 
Wait, it's real...
Yep, there goes the matchup, now I gotta use something else-

Why is this even a rule bruh...
To prevent extreme range stomp i presume, but hey now characters that you thought would get range stomp by Gun could maybe work
 
To prevent extreme range stomp i presume, but hey now characters that you thought would get range stomp by Gun could maybe work
Nah they still wouldn't, Gun could literally fly away like normal...

I guess I gotta change this match to 100% Gun then, cause Genos just kinda outstats...
 
4 km is only the maximum SBA distance. You can put the combatants as close or far away as you want as long as it doesn't result in a stomp.
 
I thought G4 Genos vs Gun 100% with equalized travel speed might also be an interesting matchup, so I added that into here too.
 
As Genos gets closer stuff is gonna be much harsher for him. Gun Devil have incredible aiming, and at a range of 1km his aim is basically a guarantee hit at critical point (or the heart). Gun Devil can fire at extreme rate at that, and Genos would've wasted a lot of energy fending off against the barrage and flying over 500km to Gun Devil already.
Genos knows the exact location and direction of the Gun devil, so he'll know the exact location and direction the shots would be coming from. He just has to fly in a straight line and use Machine Gun Blow.
Also, I don't see his sensors keeping up with hundreds of bullets that is 2 blitz tiers above him when he could hardly track Saitama casually running directly with his eyes, I remember him fighting cockroach but he got completely blizted in that fight iirc, his sensors didn't help at the slightest.
Saitama is insanely faster than Genos, and his sensors still kept up with him so idk what you mean. Also, Genos has 2 blitz amps as well sho while he's not going to be on the level of the bullets, he's sure as hell isn't going to be blitzed by the bullets for a while and by the time he's close enough for the bullets to do so, it would also to close enough to where Genos would already be moving too fast for Gun Devil's reactions to keep up with so he'll just mobility crush.
Basically, I don't see how his speed amp would help much since we don't actually know how much it actually amps him, and it's not that Genos could use that for a long time either. And his extra sensory lacks actual good enough feat to fend off against extreme accuracy danmaku thay fires at extreme rate, without even triggers to indicate when they're about to be shot.
They're two good FTE amps stacked onto each other.

He has a supercomputer that can calculate trajectory of anything they detect, even things he can't physically see speed-wise. Don't forget that Genos has spammable ranged attacks with large AoE that he can use to defend himself with.
Plus, you said that long range shot won't work, but Genos can't actually see bullets too far away though? Before we even talk about the curvature of the earth (SBA btw, no OPM earth) which makes Genos's normal sensory (which he used to track Saitama) useless, I don't see any feats indicating that Genos could sense small projectiles even kilometers away, let alone when they're flying at extreme speed. He could detect high speed objects from who knows how far away, he can also detects life forms in his vicnity (which wouldn't help much here) but he lacks the actual range feat of that ability. I see at most several kilometers and that's it. And even if he could sense something moving fast is coming, he didn't show that he could know exactly where they are coming from.
SBA states that Genos is aware there is a fight and the direction of his opponent. If he knows that he's sensing the bullets easy. Genos' sensors can track opponents even across the entire city in his earliest model.
 
Genos knows the exact location and direction of the Gun devil, so he'll know the exact location and direction the shots would be coming from. He just has to fly in a straight line and use Machine Gun Blow.
Would his hands keep up with it though? You know, punching piercing bullets that is your tier, and hundreds of them at that, while also suffer from his own traveling speed which would create more impact on Genos... His hands wouldn't look so good after just a minute or so.
Saitama is insanely faster than Genos, and his sensors still kept up with him so idk what you mean. Also, Genos has 2 blitz amps as well sho while he's not going to be on the level of the bullets, he's sure as hell isn't going to be blitzed by the bullets for a while and by the time he's close enough for the bullets to do so, it would also to close enough to where Genos would already be moving too fast for Gun Devil's reactions to keep up with so he'll just mobility crush.
To which degree we don't know, Genos could still keep up with him, he could only track Saitama after a moment of concentrating which doesn't tell how much faster Saitama was than Genos, did not give Genos a solid rating in his profile either. Gun Devil's reactions wouldn't have such a hard time with Genos, because as I say, Genos need to fly to the Gun Devil at top speed, otherwise he'd run out of energy way before he could reach it. Spending time dodging bullets at top speed would not help this at all. And Genos has to rely completely on is propellers, so his dodging options will be limited at lot here.
They're two good FTE amps stacked onto each other.
Doesn't mean he could keep up with hundreds of them though? I don't remember him fighting anyone who can dish out hundreds of attacks 2 blitz tiers above him casually and constantly, that's the thing.
He has a supercomputer that can calculate trajectory of anything they detect, even things he can't physically see speed-wise. Don't forget that Genos has spammable ranged attacks with large AoE that he can use to defend himself with.
While he have to fly at top speed to reach Gun, that's the thing. Genos has a limit to how much energy he has and that's why this is a test of endurance for Genos, each of the bullets are at least his tier, he need to defend himself with equivalent firepower or it won't work.
SBA states that Genos is aware there is a fight and the direction of his opponent. If he knows that he's sensing the bullets easy. Genos' sensors can track opponents even across the entire city in his earliest model.
The scans you gave doesn't tell anything though, still several kilometers at the best (his blast was only about 500m radius btw)
The direction at which Gun starts in does not help much, if Gun starts moving around though, and even if Gun just starts firing instantly, knowing the direction won't create any extra help for Genos, since he could just tell when the bullet reach him anyways.

Also added round 2 btw, check that out.
 
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Would his hands keep up with it though? You know, punching piercing bullets that is your tier, and hundreds of them at that, while also suffer from his own traveling speed which would create more impact on Genos... His hands wouldn't look so good after just a minute or so.
Genos has higher AP and already far upscales from it and has some good AP amps so yes. He's capable of literally one-shotting earlier versions himself and enemies that he fought before that scale above Gun Devil's value.
To which degree we don't know, Genos could still keep up with him, he could only track Saitama after a moment of concentrating which doesn't tell how much faster Saitama was than Genos, did not give Genos a solid rating in his profile either. Gun Devil's reactions wouldn't have such a hard time with Genos, because as I say, Genos need to fly to the Gun Devil at top speed, otherwise he'd run out of energy way before he could reach it. Spending time dodging bullets at top speed would not help this at all. And Genos has to rely completely on is propellers, so his dodging options will be limited at lot here.
First, Saitama was literally so fast that Genos was fighting an afterimage of him the entire time, that's how fast he was. So my point still remains that at a range close enough for Gun Devil not to get blitzed, Genos won't be getting blitzed either.

Second, Gun Devil's reactions already scale to nearly 3x Genos' base speed. Genos is capable of blitzing and mocking people who were faster than his base with just one of his amps, let alone two. You are the one that has to prove that Gun Devil's reactions can keep up, not me. Remember, his superior speed is just attack speed.

Third, Genos absolutely would not run out of energy, what gave you that impression? Genos has vasts energy reserves and literally went on a gauntlet and rid an entire hundred square kilometer city worth of it's monsters by himself without running out. You're just making baseless claims now.

Lastly, I did not say that Genos would be dodging bullets. I said he will be destroying them with his attacks that are much stronger than the AP and durability of those bullets. As well as faster than the firing rate due to having much higher combat speed than Gun Devil has reaction speed.
Doesn't mean he could keep up with hundreds of them though? I don't remember him fighting anyone who can dish out hundreds of attacks 2 blitz tiers above him casually and constantly, that's the thing.
What you're not understanding is that since you starting them 500km away, all of the bullets are coming at Genos in a straight line. It's not some sort of unavoidable wave or omnidirectional danmaku. That would only be the case if she shot in the sky to rain from above, in which Genos could easily avoid since the bullet speed would then be determined by gravity rather than muzzle velocity.
Doesn't mean he could keep up with hundreds of them though? I don't remember him fighting anyone who can dish out hundreds of attacks 2 blitz tiers above him casually and constantly, that's the thing.
Genos' casual Machine Gun Blow is comparable to Death Gatling's Meteor Shower. He'll be fine.
While he have to fly at top speed to reach Gun, that's the thing. Genos has a limit to how much energy he has and that's why this is a test of endurance for Genos, each of the bullets are at least his tier, he need to defend himself with equivalent firepower or it won't work.
What is this based on? They are moving at Massively Hypersonic speeds. You really think Genos will run out of energy in 34 seconds?
The scans you gave doesn't tell anything though, still several kilometers at the best (his blast was only about 500m radius btw)
Cities in OPM are several tens to hundreds of kilometers.
 
Genos has higher AP and already far upscales from it and has some good AP amps so yes. He's capable of literally one-shotting earlier versions himself and enemies that he fought before that scale above Gun Devil's value.

First, Saitama was literally so fast that Genos was fighting an afterimage of him the entire time, that's how fast he was. So my point still remains that at a range close enough for Gun Devil not to get blitzed, Genos won't be getting blitzed either.
Afterimages that we don't actually know how far behind, and again, Genos could only spot Saitama moving in a straight line after a hard time concentrating, on a single target at that, against 100 or so, he would have a really hard time trying to keep up.
Second, Gun Devil's reactions already scale to nearly 3x Genos' base speed. Genos is capable of blitzing and mocking people who were faster than his base with just one of his amps, let alone two. You are the one that has to prove that Gun Devil's reactions can keep up, not me. Remember, his superior speed is just attack speed.
Why would reactions even matter here? Against the allmighty Danmaku? Gun Devil could easily spot Makima, as the calc said, 477km away, with Danmaku he only needs to know Genos's general direction to just instantly blast him with barrages, if Genos wastes time trying to fly around in a circle or something, Gun Devil could actually just fly away and outspeeds Genos.
Third, Genos absolutely would not run out of energy, what gave you that impression? Genos has vasts energy reserves and literally went on a gauntlet and rid an entire hundred square kilometer city worth of it's monsters by himself without running out. You're just making baseless claims now.
Genos do have vast energy reserves, but getting rid of monsters around the city does not say anything much. Most of the monsters are fodders, with some strong ones also getting blasted instantly or wasted little of Genos's energy like Cockroach who he only used 1 below ss1 IC tier attack on after using sticky glue on him. And remember, his attacks on the meteor (which drains his energy under like 30 seconds or something) was only large town level, and he has to deal with 100 town level attacks, each scales to 1/10 of that feat of his, Genos will drain energy at an extreme rate. Like if we give G4 Genos about 100 times his energy cap in ss1 and he runs out of energy on a 300 Kilotons attack in about, let's be generous and say 10 seconds as moments after he stops, be stated that 9 seconds left before impact, that's a lot of time as Genos stated before he took the shot (that requires him at least 10 seconds to prepare) that there are 33 seconds left, and took him at least 2 seconds after he stop shooting to say that phrase, then if Genos were to defend against 100 shots per second, he'd run out of energy in just 300 seconds merely trying to defend himself (and it gets worse and worse the closer he is), and that's minus the energy consumption in his acceleration mode which would be WAY WORSE.

And yea, when he reaches Gun Devil, the story wouldn't just end there, Gun could and would fly away, leaving low energy Genos there. We didn't even account for him overheating either, like going into acceleration mode while dealing with hundreds of attacks on his level is NOT gonna look good for him.
Lastly, I did not say that Genos would be dodging bullets. I said he will be destroying them with his attacks that are much stronger than the AP and durability of those bullets. As well as faster than the firing rate due to having much higher combat speed than Gun Devil has reaction speed.
reaction speed? No, Gun Devil's firing speed does not scales to it's reaction speed, it's literally Danmaku.
Whether Genos's attack could hit Gun Devil's bullets and get rid of all of them effectively or not is still questionable, I don't see anything listed on his profile to support this. The only reliable attack he could use is his fists, because if he keeps blasting energy blast that is enough to get rid of Gun's bullets then he will run out of energy really quick, as I said.
What you're not understanding is that since you starting them 500km away, all of the bullets are coming at Genos in a straight line. It's not some sort of unavoidable wave or omnidirectional danmaku. That would only be the case if she shot in the sky to rain from above, in which Genos could easily avoid since the bullet speed would then be determined by gravity rather than muzzle velocity.
It doesn't matter if they're in a straight line, they're small projectiles flying at extreme speed, and not entirely in a complete straight line either. Genos has to actually aim to get rid of them, and if he carelessly dodge (as I said, limited movement), stray bullets (which is canon in Gun Devil vs Makima fight) could easily hit him.
Genos' casual Machine Gun Blow is comparable to Death Gatling's Meteor Shower. He'll be fine.
Death Gatling is a literal fodder, like what is even the comparison here? Quantity != quality + quantity, plus in the manga there isn't really THAT many bullets either, Gun Devil could dish out that much in 2 seconds top.
What is this based on? They are moving at Massively Hypersonic speeds. You really think Genos will run out of energy in 34 seconds?
34 seconds IF Gun Devil just stays there and not moving. Gun is 100% capable of constantly moving while making shots, it's just that against Makima who doesn't even move, it finds no reason to do so, staying at one place would be better.
Cities in OPM are several tens to hundreds of kilometers.
doesn't mean that Genos could sense Mosquito throughout all of city Z (visually it's not even that impressive too, Mosquito wasn't that far away, Genos has range attack and can also fly to chase her), and his massive blast was only 500m, that alone has made this way less impressive than you thought.
 
If Genos has one-shot someone that scales over Gun Devil's value, he does also just end up one-shotting Gun Devil here.
 
alright, Genos's G4 profile listed his Large Town AP as "possibly" with 2 higher keys as well as speed at "higher" and "far higher", so how much "higher" are we talking about here? Cause Genos somehow stats stomp all of a sudden now, I might use pre-G4 Genos for 20% Gun instead cause through the arguments, we have too many "a lot higher" arguments here, I don't actually know where Genos really scales to rn.

Well, Post-VGS Genos seems less of a stats stomp so I guess I could use him, and from the fact that he blitzed DSK I could guess that he's at least a blitz tier above himself in the past right? Why aren't there a "higher" key for that? For round 2 Genos has 1230912041492 layers of speed amps and AP/Dura layers so I guess I could remove equalized travel speed.
 
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I changed the condition, look and see if it's still a stats stomp for Genos or not, it seems fine to me now at least.
 
Genos do have vast energy reserves, but getting rid of monsters around the city does not say anything much. Most of the monsters are fodders, with some strong ones also getting blasted instantly or wasted little of Genos's energy like Cockroach who he only used 1 below ss1 IC tier attack on after using sticky glue on him. And remember, his attacks on the meteor (which drains his energy under like 30 seconds or something) was only large town level, and he has to deal with 100 town level attacks, each scales to 1/10 of that feat of his, Genos will drain energy at an extreme rate. Like if we give G4 Genos about 100 times his energy cap in ss1 and he runs out of energy on a 300 Kilotons attack in about, let's be generous and say 10 seconds as moments after he stops, be stated that 9 seconds left before impact, that's a lot of time as Genos stated before he took the shot (that requires him at least 10 seconds to prepare) that there are 33 seconds left, and took him at least 2 seconds after he stop shooting to say that phrase, then if Genos were to defend against 100 shots per second, he'd run out of energy in just 300 seconds merely trying to defend himself (and it gets worse and worse the closer he is), and that's minus the energy consumption in his acceleration mode which would be WAY WORSE.
This is just complete headcanon and you're using as reference a massively weaker version of Genos using a PROTOTYPE Arms Mode in an isolated instance where he directly used his Core to power an Incineration Cannon

G4 Genos considerably upscales from this feat by virtue of being like 3 upgrades above it, there is no proof his energy reserves deplete that fast anymore and given the AP difference he wouldn't need to exert himself too much to kill the Gun Devil
Death Gatling is a literal fodder, like what is even the comparison here? Quantity != quality + quantity, plus in the manga there isn't really THAT many bullets either, Gun Devil could dish out that much in 2 seconds top.
The point is that Garou couldn't keep up with Genos's Machine Gun Blows while he could perfectly react and deflect hundreds if not thousands of bullets just moments before

And Death Shower is in fact firing an absurd amount of bullets, so much so it straight up looks like an energy beam as all the bullets converge due to the fire rate of his weapon
34 seconds IF Gun Devil just stays there and not moving. Gun is 100% capable of constantly moving while making shots, it's just that against Makima who doesn't even move, it finds no reason to do so, staying at one place would be better.
Headcanon about Genos stamina and Gun Devil battle IQ
doesn't mean that Genos could sense Mosquito throughout all of city Z (visually it's not even that impressive too, Mosquito wasn't that far away, Genos has range attack and can also fly to chase her), and his massive blast was only 500m, that alone has made this way less impressive than you thought.
The 500 meter blast (not even a full power one) comes from BoS Genos, this Genos is several one shots above his BoS key...
 
alright, Genos's G4 profile listed his Large Town AP as "possibly" with 2 higher keys as well as speed at "higher" and "far higher", so how much "higher" are we talking about here? Cause Genos somehow stats stomp all of a sudden now, I might use pre-G4 Genos for 20% Gun instead cause through the arguments, we have too many "a lot higher" arguments here, I don't actually know where Genos really scales to rn.
G4 Genos scales considerably Post-VGS Genos who is strong enough to blitz and casually one shot both Mosquito Girl and the Deep Sea King as he was upgraded with the parts of G4 a robot that his Post-VGS key beat with almost extreme difficulty
 
G4 Genos scales considerably Post-VGS Genos who is strong enough to blitz and casually one shot both Mosquito Girl and the Deep Sea King as he was upgraded with the parts of G4 a robot that his Post-VGS key beat with almost extreme difficulty
So would Post-VGS Genos be a better match for Gun 20%? Are the matchups looking better now? I don't want especially the first match to be a stats stomp for either side.

Man, I need to stop viewing pre tournament Genos as a punching bag, it's been so long that all I remember is him catching Ls...
 
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