>Why would Diavolo think or know its retroactive (if it even is) when everything he sees in Epithat always happens and we have nothing to imply the opposite has happened once before GER?
Because that's what he says and he knows how his own Stand works. If he thinks the visions can change depending what happens, that's exactly how it works.
>I feel like I am speaking chinese and you are just trying not to understand me.
I understand what youre trying to say, youre just wrong is all.
>Epithat sees the future, yes, I never said the opposite and I'd like you to show me where I did if I did so I know I goofed up.
The very fact youre trying to go lol fate is evidence enough of that.
>I was explaining from the start that the JOJO WORLD, not Epithat,
I know, exactly, Epitaph doesnt have that quality. So you point is invalid.
>has that Fate quality. Is why Bites the Dust activates when it proviously did even if it hasn't activated in the conventional way. Is why the new universe and eternal resurgence from Made in Heaven is a thing.
Those dont work anything like Epitaph though, that's a grade A example of a false analogy, those work like Time Erase in concept but not Epitaph.
>What Diavolo sees is not set because that's Epithat's power, its set because that's how the Jojo world works until something
And that's your headcannon, ignoring the fact that is litterally its power, it gets those screens not by how jojo's universe works but by just taking a look at the future. It aint going this is fated to happen so this screen is will what happe, its going this is what's happening in the future so this is will what happe. It has shit all to do with fate and it's effects on the jojoverse, it is litterally looking at what is transpiring in the future. And that's why what you're saying is wrong.
>like GER, uses silly powers to give the outcome a middle finger. Just like Josuke is gonna die in 10 seconds if he's 10 seconds away from when he died the first time Bites The Dust activated, and this is an undeniable fact UNTIL the cause of this, Kira, is stopped. Repeat yourself all you like, its on you if you don't wanna understand it.
Yeah he can, and he did, but the issue is that GER only negated Diavolo's time erase, then his death. Diavolo heavily implies that Epitaph is retroactive (ignoring the fact it wouldnt be retroactive because the first time he seen the screen was chronologically after the the following visions of epitaph, ie before GER negged his time erase. So the argument of Epitaph not being retroactive aint gonna cut it because the first screen happened after the following and made so it never happened anyway). BTD aint even remotely similar to this situation. BTD and Kira were the cause of those fated actions, not anything else, it's litterally why deactivating BTD makes it so fated actions ceased to be fated. BTD works and utilizes fate, Epitaph doesnt. MIH is an example of universal fate but that means nothing because of how Epitaph functions.
>Its not really resistance if fate is set until the cause of that fate is kicked in the dick. Like, I would like literally a single example of Diavolo at any point like, ever, seeing any of his predictions change in anyway. Just see what Eficiente is explaining about eliminating the causes of fate rather than fate itself. "The fate manip is just causality manip as GER isn't manipulating fate but preventing it from happening by manipulating the causes that generate it."
You'd be right if that's all there was to it. Depending on what you are actually asking my answer to that is Metallica or it doesnt matter, Diavolo would know what his stand can do and what he can expect from it, the fact it would need to change because the first viewing of it never happened and you dont seem to actually understand what Epitaph does. It aint looking at fated actions, it's looking at what is happening in the future, things being fated or not dont actually effect that because it's not what should happen it's what is happening meaning it already happened for it to even be visible in Epitaph's screen. If I worded it like, it's the past looking at the present would that help you to better understand? Epitaph looks at the future, it gets its visions by looking at what is happening in the future, that isnt effected by fate because if it were to be effected by fate, it wouldnt show what shouldve happened, it would show what did happen.
>If we therefore assume the cause of Fate, Diavolo as he's the one that murks Giorno, isn't dead, why would the future change?
Because he is dead, that's why (also because he seems to think epitaphs visions can change)
>It just hasn't happened, as it'll keep being turned back, and the fact GER turns it back in the first place would imply Diavolo can actually succeed in the first place, otherwise there'd be no need.
Except the thing with that is, GER only turned back his time erase, his death and nothing else. And Epitaph was still like nah diavolo ya got it before, during, after and even while dying. And if it wasnt gonna happen, Epitaph wouldnt of shown it happening because it cant show what isnt there, and if GER changed the future, it'd show the new future because that's simply how it functions. It cant look at a future that no longer exists, it has to look at the future that happened.
