GI Abilities Additions: Tri-Lunar Authority for Dragon King Nibelung.

[MSahla]

Folks... It's time to give the Authority of the Three Moons back to Dragon King Nibelung.

The reason why am i making this thread is because i wouldn't publish Columbina's profile anytime soon. Probably 2-3 months later. Instead of just waiting and doing nothing, i might just give Nibelung the Three Moons abilities.

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Intro​

To give more context, for those who don't know, Dragon King Nibelung was the creator of Teyvat's three moons and its Goddesses. The Moon Goddesses are the manifestations of Dragon King Nibelung's will and majesty. They were born to inhereted his Authority and govern the world of Teyvat in his stead while he's gone traveling through the dark universe, a.k.a the Abyss.

In the war of funerary flame, Dragon King Nibelung fought against the Heavenly Principles. At that time, he imprisoned the Three Moon Goddesses and transformed the Three Moons as his weapon. He was defeated and killed by the Heavenly Principles at a great cost, with 2 out of the 3 Moons shattered by the Heavenly Principles.

Shoutout to my queen Nicole Reeyn, literally the lore yapper, we love her so much..

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Now that we know that the Authority of the Three Moons and its goddesses are actually belong to Nibelung, we should give him the Powers and Abilities of it.

Note: Many of these abilities were scale from other characters such as Columbina (the Moon Goddess herself), and Dottore who stole the power of the Three Moons.

Spoiler: Tri-Lunar Authority

• Portal Creation (The Moon Goddess has the right to create a Moon Gate, since it is the only path to go to the Moon)
• Paralysis Inducement & Telekinesis (Scale from Columbina, who could paralyzed Rerir and throw him through the Moon Gate.)
• Law Manipulation (The Authority of the Three Moons are linked to the most fundamental rules of Teyvat. Before the Heavenly Principles arrived on Teyvat, the Three Moon Goddesses were the ones who controls the laws of the world of Teyvat such as Life, Death, and etc. After obtaining the Trilunar Authority, Columbina can manipulate the rules of the world at will to suit her own wimps.)
  • Vector Manipulation and Perception Manipulation (Scale from Dottore who could alter ones perception and action by overturn the laws of the world itself using the power of the Three Moons.)
• Space-Time Manipulation (The authority of the three moons can influence the very fabric of space and time. Dottore is shown to capable of freezing the time after he stole the power of the Three Moons. Columbina can slow the time in her Idle Animation. Should scale to Dottore, who can open the False Sky using the authority of Space.)
  • Regeneration via Time Manipulation Temporal Restoration (Scale from Dottore who could restore the damage he received by rewinding the time.)
• Life Manipulation and Death Manipulation (Before the arrival of the Heavenly Principles, it is said that the world of Teyvat had "no boundaries" between life and death, and the Moon Sisters are the ones who previously governed over it.)
• Pocket Reality Manipulation (Scale from Dottore, who created a pocket realm of his boss arena. Using the Authority of Space, Columbina is shown to be able to create a pocket realm containing the starry skies and the Three Moons in it.)
• Enhanced Senses (Scale from Dottore, who sensed Nefer attempting to intrude on Traveler's memories and tries to capture her.)
• Fate Manipulation (The Moon Sisters can manipulate the fate of all living beings by woving the silver threads of all destinies and spin the Wheel of Fate, also known as Constellation. After obtaining the Authority of the Three Moons, Columbina can manipulate the threads of the fate and it is stated that the birth of the new moon can result in turning back the wheel of fate (constellations). The stars of constellations are likened to strings by which the Heavenly Principles puppeteer the mortals of the Human Realm.)
• Mind Manipulation (Scale from Dottore, who could swap Human minds to animals. He disrupted the flow of time but using it specifically to affect the Traveler's mind which makes him feel like he has been asleep for a whole month and can extend to millions years. )
• Creation (Scale from Dottore, who could recreate anything that ever existed in the past.)
• Gravity Manipulation (From Dottore, as shown here)
• Chaos Manipulation (Scale from Dottore, who can manipulate Entropy.)
• Danmaku (Scale from Dottore, as shown here)
• BFR (Dimensional; Scale from Dottore, who can send people to another space/dimension.)
• Curse Manipulation (Scale from Dottore, who can implanted a curse to anyone.)

Spoiler: +1

Pocket Reality Manipulation (Dragon King Nibelung created the Moon's Reflection, a space-time realm where he imprisoned the Moon Goddesses.)

That's it for now, if i missed any abilities, just tell me and i'll put it in here.

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Agree:
LephyrTheRevanchist (Except Vector Manip),
Elizhaa (Same as Lephyr)
SomebodyData (Same as Lephyr and Elizhaa + except Danmaku)
AsterReal, Giannysmag, Furina003, LoudestProcedure

Disagree:
Furina003 (Regeneration via Time Manip, Life Manip and Death Manip)

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[AsterReal]

It looks good.

 

[Giannysmag]

Very good job, I don't see anything that sticks out to me as wrong from a quick glance

Also remember how I was telling you that Columbina being bound by the threads of fate in her trailer was because she still hasn't gained the Trilunar Authority yet?

After obtaining the Authority of the Three Moons, Columbina can manipulate the threads of the fate

I WAS RIGHT

 

[Furina003]

agree everything
but I'm a bit doubtful whether the Nibelungs could actually do it


except for these few things

• Regeneration via Time Manipulation (Scale from Dottore who could restore the damage he received by rewinding the time.)

this is not regeneration, this is a passive reversal of the flow of time.

• Life Manipulation and Death Manipulation (Before the arrival of the Heavenly Principles, it is said that the world of Teyvat had "no boundaries" between life and death, and the Moon Sisters are the ones who previously governed over it.)

I disagree with this. The Three Moon Goddesses aren't even free to grant life or death; they only regulate the laws of those aspects, not directly impact them.
Manipulating life is seemfine, but manipulating death is absolutely not. Manipulating death requires proof that they can freely grant death to any creature they choose.

So, what the Three Moon Goddesses are doing is merely manipulating the law.

 

[MSahla]

Very good job, I don't see anything that sticks out to me as wrong from a quick glance

Also remember how I was telling you that Columbina being bound by the threads of fate in her trailer was because she still hasn't gained the Trilunar Authority yet?

I would say she transcends the fate of the Human Realm, same things like Neuvillette, but i would say no for the fate of the universe like Descenders.

Dottore tho? Dottore did not transcends fate even after got the Three Moons power. Even he said "once i trancend fate", which means he didn't yet. Only Columbina does that.

 

[Giannysmag]

Oh yea that Life/Death Manip justification is kinda sus, cause like if the boundary between life and death didn't exist then they wouldn't have to govern those concepts

 

[AsterReal]

Alice states outright that the Three Moons ruled life and death. When the traveler asked her about it. So I don't see the problem with that.

 

[Giannysmag]

Alice states outright that the Three Moons ruled life and death. When the traveler asked her about it. So I don't see the problem with that.

I checked the scan you're right lol she does say that nvm then

 

[Giannysmag]

I would say she transcends the fate of the Human Realm, same things like Neuvillette, but i would say no for the fate of the universe like Descenders.

Dottore tho? Dottore did not transcends fate even after got the Three Moons power. Even he said "once i trancend fate", which means he didn't yet. Only Columbina does that.

Crazy how he still outscales the Shades anyway and will soon be Phanes level

 

[MSahla]

agree everything
but I'm a bit doubtful whether the Nibelungs could actually do it

Why wouldn't he? Columbina and Dottore are essentially using Nibelung's authority.

this is not regeneration, this is a passive reversal of the flow of time.

I mean he literally heal himself by rewinding the time.

I disagree with this. The Three Moon Goddesses aren't even free to grant life or death; they only regulate the laws of those aspects, not directly impact them.
Manipulating life is seemfine, but manipulating death is absolutely not. Manipulating death requires proof that they can freely grant death to any creature they choose.

Oh yea that Life/Death Manip justification is kinda sus, cause like if the boundary between life and death didn't exist then they wouldn't have to govern those concepts

The Traveler's statement about them governing Life, Death and such are correct, which even confirmed by Alice herself.

"Theres no boundary between life and death", this statement referring to old laws. At that time that there was no boundary between two of these since the Heavenly Principles and the Four Shades didn't exist in Teyvat yet, because the laws of the Heavenly Principles bound and constrained humanity.

Once there was an age when the silver wheels that guided the primal heavens yet remained three.
At that time, the laws bestowed from the heavens had yet to be assembled, and the boundaries of humanity had yet to be defined.

the Moon Goddesses only control the laws that is not constrained living beings. Some recent lore also confirm the lady of the golden hall that boatman from Tsurumi Island quest mention is the moon sisters, meaning they also oversee and guided the souls into the afterlife. This is moon sisters representing "death" authority.

 

[MSahla]

Crazy how he still outscales the Shades anyway and will soon be Phanes level

 

[Giannysmag]

Can't even rep my goat a bit

 

[Furina003]

Alice states outright that the Three Moons ruled life and death. When the traveler asked her about it. So I don't see the problem with that.

I think, It's just Law Manipulation, Alice explained, in the context of world law, it has no direct impact on life and death. This is completely different from the authority of the Shades, who can freely grant life and death to any creature.


The three moon goddesses, however, do not. Even during their time, there were no limits to life and death, as these limits had not yet been defined.


Because heavenly principles change teyvat to very foundation. so, teyvat now, very different with old world.

Nicole: But when the Heavenly Principles came, they changed the world completely, down to its very foundations.
Nicole: The moon goddesses were nowhere near strong enough to challenge this entity. But the Heavenly Principles did not view them as heretical entities that had to be removed.
Nicole: Essentially, the three moons existed to keep this planet alive and operational, which did not directly conflict with the Heavenly Principles' aims. Nevertheless, the inherent precariousness of this arrangement would soon be revealed...

As i remember, the heavenly principles bring an order that even their masters, the Nibelungs, never taught them.
but i forgot where i read this text

 

[MSahla]

I think, It's just Law Manipulation, Alice explained, in the context of world law, it has no direct impact on life and death. This is completely different from the authority of the Shades, who can freely grant life and death to any creature.


The three moon goddesses, however, do not. Even during their time, there were no limits to life and death, as these limits had not yet been defined.


Because heavenly principles change teyvat to very foundation. so, teyvat now, very different with old world.

Yeahh.. They can also manipulate Time and Space through law governing, so what's the matter? They can manipulate Life and Death through the same thing: Law Governing, because Life, Death, Time and Space are the main aspects within Teyvat's Fundamental Rules/Laws.

As i remember, the heavenly principles bring an order that even their masters, the Nibelungs, never taught them.
but i forgot where i read this text

It's different context.

 

[Giannysmag]

Gravity Manipulation (From Dottore, as shown here)

Also I just realised, I'm 90% sure this power has nothing to do with the moons and Dottore just has a cube that can do that

 

[Furina003]

Why wouldn't he? Columbina and Dottore are essentially using Nibelung's authority.

I not have problem for this

I mean he literally heal himself by rewinding the time.

Only time rewind (time manipulation), not regeneration

The Traveler's statement about them governing Life, Death and such are correct, which even confirmed by Alice herself.

"Theres no boundary between life and death", this statement referring to old laws. At that time that there was no boundary between two of these since the Heavenly Principles and the Four Shades didn't exist in Teyvat yet, because the laws of the Heavenly Principles bound and constrained humanity.


the Moon Goddesses only control the laws that is not constrained living beings. Some recent lore also confirm the lady of the golden hall that boatman from Tsurumi Island quest mention is the moon sisters, meaning they also oversee and guided the souls into the afterlife. This is moon sisters representing "death" authority.

That just law Manipulation.
Life and death weren't even differentiated at that time, as there was no definition that separated the two. This is why ancient beings were considered eternal because life and death didn't have boundaries, until Phanes brought order and destroyed that eternity.

So, as long as the three moon goddesses never show that they can grant death, it will be in vain. Even in the Morningstar artifact, it is explained that the Primordial One's reason for maintaining the three moon goddesses is simply because the world still needs the ebb and flow of the elements.

The sun's fierce light swept the heavens clean, but the freshly forged throne still reserved a place in the sky for the Three Sisters of the Moonlit Night.
Perhaps by its design, even a world where the elements surge in perfect order still needed tides.
The Lectors of Thirty Nights knew that alone, they could not protect this lonely, desolate planet from the inevitable doom that approached.

I might be okay with life manipulation for different reasons, since kuuvahki and moonlight can give life, but there's absolutely no evidence for death manipulation.

 

[Furina003]

Yeahh.. They can also manipulate Time and Space through law governing, so what's the matter? They can manipulate Life and Death through the same thing: Law Governing, because Life, Death, Time and Space are the main aspects within Teyvat's Fundamental Rules/Laws.

Now where is the proof that she can give death?

It's different context.

it leads to a new order, where boundaries have been defined

 

[MSahla]

Also I just realised, I'm 90% sure this power has nothing to do with the moons and Dottore just has a cube that can do that

the device is his but the power come from the moons. Dottore at that time were using the moons power all the time, like u can even see the moon thingy with its marrows behind him. That's indicating that he's possessing the three moons power.

 

[MSahla]

Now where is the proof that she can give death?

Why would they gave death anyway? That's not how they represent their "death" authority. Alice confirmed that they govern over the laws of teyvat such as Life and Death, meaning they govern over Life and Death too.

6.3 also confirm the lady of the golden hall that boatman from tsurumi quest mention is the moon sisters, meaning they also oversee and guided the souls into the afterlife. this is moon sisters representing "Death" authority

it leads to a new order, where boundaries have been defined

which is why it's different context

 

[Furina003]

Why would they gave death anyway? That's not how they represent their "death" authority. Alice confirmed that they govern over the laws of teyvat such as Life and Death, meaning they govern over Life and Death too.

6.3 also confirm the lady of the golden hall that boatman from tsurumi quest mention is the moon sisters, meaning they also oversee and guided the souls into the afterlife. this is moon sisters representing "Death" authority

ruling the realm of afterlife is not death manipulation at all. You should give proof if three moon goddes can give the death

Because Death manipulation can be achieved if someone can give death supernaturally, whereas what you gave does not prove that at all.

Death Manipulation is the ability to directly induce death in beings, objects or even concepts via supernatural means. This can manifest as the inexplicable death of an individual, the direct cessation of biological functions, dispersal of life force and more, being able to affect anything from plant and animal life to possibly even abstract forces and concepts.

It is important to note that just causing death via other abilities or indirect means (such as soul destruction, physical damage, deconstruction etc.) in itself does not qualify for Death Manipulation unless it is specified or portrayed to be a direct inducement of death in its targets with these being aftereffects of that.

To be honest, what you've provided only reinforces the law manipulation I've explained. Life and death here don't refer to them being able to grant death or life, but rather, they merely regulate the survival of living beings and guide them after they die. This is law manipulation.

So, I mean, I'll put it this way: if Naberius grants life, the three moon goddesses govern those living beings. If a creature dies after being granted death by Ronova, they guide them to the afterlife. So, they don't directly grant life and death, but rather merely enforce the laws of the cycle of life and death. That's why the three moon goddesses aren't considered heretical by heavenly principles and can coexist.

The evidence you submitted points to a new world order, where boundaries have been defined.

which is why it's different context

because the order is different, therefore we cannot equate the meaning of life and death that exists now with life and death during the old world order, because at that time there was no boundary between the two.

 

[MSahla]

To be honest, what you've provided only reinforces the legal manipulation I've explained. Life and death here don't refer to them being able to grant death or life, but rather, they merely regulate the survival of living beings and guide them after they die. This is legal manipulation.

Legal manipulation?

 

[Furina003]

Legal manipulation?

Ah sorry , i meant law manipulation, i have edited it

 

[Furina003]

So, I'm fine with life manipulation, as kuuvahki has been shown to give life to creatures in Nod-Krai. But as for death manipulation, I disagree, and regeneration should be a passive time rewind (time manipulation).

That's all, I'll leave it entirely to the staff; this is just my opinion.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Instead of regeneration via time rewind, it's Temporal Restoration

• Vector Manipulation and Perception Manipulation (Scale from Dottore who could alter ones perception and action by overturn the laws of the world itself using the power of the Three Moons.)

If what's getting inverted is the "sense of direction", then it's just Perception Manipulation. Vector would be if direction itself is being inverted. How I assume this is getting applied in gameplay (it's not as evident in the video) is by applying inverted controls, which I wouldn't give vector manip for based on the description in the video.

The rest should be fine

 

[Voidnether]

Tbh it'd be better off to be regeneration from what I'm seeing, also if you're giving the Moons life manip but not death manip when this is the same authority who can't even revive sandrone what's the point? either you agree they both have the ability or they dont

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Tbh it'd be better off to be regeneration from what I'm seeing.

Rewinding time in order to heal is temporal restoration. You can simply note the degree of healing by linking to the regen page, as outlined in the Healing page.

Edit: To explain further the specific difference between the two; Regen is the bodies ability to repair itself. To be regeneration, there shouldn't be a mechanism beyond what the body alone does. Since the mechanism here is the specific control over time, restoration is more appropriate.

 

[MSahla]

Rewinding time in order to heal is temporal restoration. You can simply note the degree of healing by linking to the regen page, as outlined in the Healing page.

By looking at the scan, what degree of regen do you think it is?

 

[Voidnether]

Rewinding time in order to heal is temporal restoration. You can simply note the degree of healing by linking to the regen page, as outlined in the Healing page.

Edit: To explain further the specific difference between the two; Regen is the bodies ability to repair itself. To be regeneration, there shouldn't be a mechanism beyond what the body alone does. Since the mechanism here is the specific control over time, restoration is more appropriate.

Tbh I thought temporal restoration were only limited to timelines and stuff such as when there's feats of certain characters repairing the timeline after they destroyed it instead of the body itself, the mechanism is obviously regeneration instead of passive time rewind or something the lines of that but I would agree temporal restoration fits this more

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Tbh I thought temporal restoration were only limited to timelines and stuff such as when there's feats of certain characters repairing the timeline after they destroyed it instead of the body itself, the mechanism is obviously regeneration instead of passive time rewind or something the lines of that but I would agree temporal restoration fits this more

Temporal Restoration: It involves the ability to manipulate time or revert objects to a previous state. Users can rewind the effects of damage, effectively restoring objects to their undamaged condition. Temporal restoration can be used to reverse the flow of time on localized areas or specific objects, reverting them to a pristine state.

reading the page is useful, y'know

 

[Voidnether]

reading the page is useful, y'know

swear it wasn't like this the last time i read it but i might got it confused with smth else LMAO

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

By looking at the scan, what degree of regen do you think it is?

In general, I wouldn't give it one for this particular case. He activates the rewind upon the HP hitting 0. What I would add is a standard tactics section explaining that when he's about to be beaten, he rewinds time on himself to get himself back in fighting condition.

 

[MSahla]

Tbh I thought temporal restoration were only limited to timelines and stuff such as when there's feats of certain characters repairing the timeline after they destroyed it instead of the body itself, the mechanism is obviously regeneration instead of passive time rewind or something the lines of that but I would agree temporal restoration fits this more

Nether..

In the words of Alhaitham:

 

[Voidnether]

Nether..

In the words of Alhaitham:

hey atleast we both know this isn't passive time rewind

 

[MSahla]

hey atleast we both know this isn't passive time rewind

I mean i never proposed it to be passive anyway.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

In general, I wouldn't give it one for this particular case. He activates the rewind upon the HP hitting 0. What I would add is a standard tactics section explaining that when he's about to be beaten, he rewinds time on himself to get himself back in fighting condition.

In fact, it would be weird to give it anyways, because well

It's time shenanigans. It should restore everything unless an ability messes specifically with causality stuff (so mid-godly to high godly destruction)

 

[MSahla]

In fact, it would be weird to give it anyways, because well

It's time shenanigans. It should restore everything unless an ability messes specifically with causality stuff (so mid-godly to high godly destruction)

So just like this should be fine?

• Regeneration via Time Manipulation Temporal Restoration (Scale from Dottore who could restore the damage he received by rewinding the time.)

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Yeh

 

[Furina003]

temporal restoration, is better.
I didn't know that ability existed, because I rarely read healing pages, lol

 

[Elizhaa]

Besides Vector Manipulation, the rest of the current proposals look fine.

 

[MSahla]

Besides Vector Manipulation, the rest of the current proposals look fine.

Ok, basically the same as Lephyr.

Alright... Another 24 hours to wait.