Gilgamesh(Fate) vs Aiwass(Toaru)

[Churronzon]

The pure world is 11d which is above what gilgamesh can even think of achieving

A 6-C character with space/dimension rip can breach it.

 

[Iiliminal]

curtana's severing spell is high 1-c hax tho

 

[Doggo]

A 6-C character with space/dimension rip can breach it.

....it's hax

your point?

 

[Churronzon]

Gilgamesh's Enuma Elish is also hax, so it can breach it as well

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

Gilgamesh's Enuma Elish is also hax, so it can breach it as well

dude... that not how it work,she can break it because her hax is 11-D,gil doesn't

 

[Doggo]

Gilgamesh's Enuma Elish is also hax, so it can breach it as well

Except unlike him, Carissa has 11d spacial hax.

It's Nlf to assume Gilgamesh could suddenly affect the pure world when it's beyond his dimensionality

HOWEVER...apparently Gilgamesh has 1-A hax which could affect Aiwass..Except all it does is negete resurrection

 

[Churronzon]

So it's an issue of insufficient range?

 

[Maxeez]

HOWEVER...apparently Gilgamesh has 1-A hax which could affect Aiwass..Except all it does is negete resurrection

It erases the soul as well.

 

[Doggo]

So it's an issue of insufficient range?

That and the overall potency of hax

That's why determining the layers and range of hax is important (especially for hax-savvy verses like Toaru)

 

[Doggo]

It erases the soul as well.

Would it perhaps affect a High 1-A being like Aiwass? Apparently its only used to negate resurrection, but can it just simply erase his soul or something?

 

[Maxeez]

Would it perhaps affect a High 1-A being like Aiwass? Apparently its only used to negate resurrection, but can it just simply erase his soul or something?

Yeah it can. Originally it is Ciel’s hax which is able to completely erase Roa’s soul (souls in nasu also contain concept, information and mind btw). And Roa’s soul is 1-A due to Root scaling.

 

[Robo432343]

this is a stomp, no??

 

[Iiliminal]

isn’t it out of character for him to use it though

 

[Robo432343]

isn’t it out of character for him to use it though

heard it wasnt in character

 

[Doggo]

Yeah it can. Originally it is Ciel’s hax which is able to completely erase Roa’s soul (souls in nasu also contain concept, information and mind btw). And Roa’s soul is 1-A due to Root scaling.

In that case this fight is fair since he can now affect Aiwass

Now how in character is it for him to use it?

 

[Iiliminal]

bla-bla-bla basically aiwass stomps the entire cast of servants gg ok close this bye

 

[Maxeez]

isn’t it out of character for him to use it though

• Gil has enough info to know that Aiwass is worthy enough for Ea and also knows that Aiwass exists in the Pure World

Given this, it would be safe to assume that SNI (which is passive) would indicate to Gil that Seventh Holy Scriptures is the best way he could win. And Gil would be likely to use it since he has « enough info to know that Aiwass is worthy enough… ». I guess.

 

[Robo432343]

how is gil even comprehending aiwass dimensionality wise

 

[Churronzon]

Aiwass doesn't have HDE so his nature of existence doesn't scale to the destruction he can dish out.

 

[Maxeez]

how is gil even comprehending aiwass dimensionality wise

Aiwass doesn’t have higher dimensional existence on his profile so that isn’t relevant.

 

[Doggo]

Aiwass doesn’t have higher dimensional existence on his profile so that isn’t relevant.

..another reason why Toaru profiles are outdated lol

 

[Doggo]

Given this, it would be safe to assume that SNI (which is passive) would indicate to Gil that Seventh Holy Scriptures is the best way he could win. And Gil would be likely to use it since he has « enough info to know that Aiwass is worthy enough… ». I guess.

I'm voting incon cause of this

Its a who shoots first scenario

 

[Maxeez]

I'm voting incon cause of this

Its a who shoots first scenario

I would have argued Gil blitzing if it wasn’t for Aiwass having nigh-omnipresence and I don’t know how it works, so uh yeah unless someone tells me I’m voting incon as well.

 

[Doggo]

I would have argued Gil blitzing if it wasn’t for Aiwass having nigh-omnipresence and I don’t know how it works, so uh yeah unless someone tells me I’m voting incon as well.

We no longer count omnipresence as speed

 

[Doggo]

I get the feeling that Gilgamesh blitzes

 

[Maxeez]

We no longer count omnipresence as speed

Well then what is Aiwass’s regular speed ?

 

[Doggo]

Well then what is Aiwass’s regular speed ?

Uh....sub-relativistic lmao

Gilgamesh stomps via bliz unless speed is equalised

 

[Maxeez]

Uh....sub-relativistic lmao

Gilgamesh stomps via bliz unless speed is equalised

Yeah then Gil blitzes badly. Even with equalized speed he could use the Mythological Mystic Code amp which is a massive amp on all of his stats so… (for more info look up his profile).

 

[XDragnoir]

...

Wtf is happening here?

Again, Aiwass' True Form has no fights at all, we have no idea what he can do, we don't even know if he can leave the Pure World to begin with.

This thread literally just doesn't work.

 

[Iiliminal]

change this to gilgamesh first key vs Coronzon speed equal

 

[XDragnoir]

change this to gilgamesh first key vs Coronzon speed equal

Everyone in Toaru below Tier 1 is currently under a massive revision.

 

[XDragnoir]

A 6-C character with space/dimension rip can breach it.

Gilgamesh's Enuma Elish is also hax, so it can breach it as well

So it's an issue of insufficient range?

Also, just a small some advice, you should first familiarize yourself with how tiers, hax, dimensionality etc work and are related here in the wiki before creating threads like this one.

Believe me, it's a pain in the ass to get some of these but it will help you in the long term.