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Gogeta blue tier
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This was debunked multiple times in my threads though Shadow.ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Beerus and Champa cant travel to different universes on their own, they need Whis and Vados (who quite obviously wouldnt help them) to do that. They were going to destroy the universes right from their position in U7.
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And in a fight, especially dragon Ball, 2x the difference is hardly anything. We're assuming the bear minimum here because of that.
Lmao
Seriously, guys, I've given up.
It has been THREE THREADS in the span of around half a month that I've been reading stuff such as the one mentioned above.
I just don't have the strength to argue about this anymore, with all this people.
Lmao
Seriously, guys, I've given up.
It has been THREE THREADS in the span of around half a month that I've been reading stuff such as the one mentioned above.
I just don't have the strength to argue about this anymore, with all this people.
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Occam's razor, there is no indication they would've traveled to the other universe to accomplish that and they haven't even shown the ability to do so without the assistance of people explicitly trying to stop their fight because of the inmediate threat it represents.
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If destroying U6 and U7 is only a 3-A feat, then that means that the different universes can be destroyed wth non space-time level destructive attacks. Meaning they would be sharing the same space-times as each other in order for this to happen.Pritti said:
Meaning, the cosmology of the verse is what needs to be downgraded.
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Pritti.
The feat was already agreed to be 2-C due to the characters being Low 2-C and able to destroy space times of universes. We already established that it is unreasonable to assume there would be collateral or sequential damage of the universes in the previous thread. Read it. Come back and counter every argument made there.
The feat was already agreed to be 2-C due to the characters being Low 2-C and able to destroy space times of universes. We already established that it is unreasonable to assume there would be collateral or sequential damage of the universes in the previous thread. Read it. Come back and counter every argument made there.
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It was likely the fact you accept universes to be separate space times (hence why Zeno is 2-C) making it impossible for their feat to only be 3-A as it would need to overcome that separation to be achieved in the first place.Sera EX said:
If the idea is that space times between Universes aren't separate in dragon ball then 2-C and Low 2-C are invalid to begin with.
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Dont get me wrong, im not disagreeing with this being an opinion.DMB 1 said:
Im just pointing out to people who pick a side what needs to be done if you pick x side or y side. Im neutral on this.
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This.Pritti said:
Since they're both in Universe 7, they would destroy Universe 7 first and then their shockwaves would travel to Universe 6 to destroy it as well as Universe 6 is right next to Universe 7.
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Rash, you keep saying "it doesn't make sense to say that they're 2x stronger" and that it's wank is just you arguing from incredulity at this point. Me stomping x out with ease demonstrates i'm so much stronger than x that it takes little effort. People have been able to take blows from people that were 3 or even 4 times that which they could put out before. A measily 2x difference in power is not only NOT ARBITRARY, but it's not even WANK. Pro boxers probably punches 5x harder than me, and if I block the attack with my arms, I still might go out. Stomping someone with far less ease than oneshotting them and claiming that it is reasonable to assume they are still relative in power is ridiculous. By saying that it is far fetched to assume a measily 2x gap, you're saying that assuming anything from 1.1x to 1.9x a difference in overall power is a more reasonable claim.
This is false.
This is false.
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That'd be plain 2-C as well, you make no sense at all, as long as they're positioned in a way their energy would reach and destroy two universes they're going to need 2-C levels of energy to destroy both.
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Shadow: That's a 2-C feat. If the same attack that blows up one building spreads to the rest of the city in an explosion as well, that's a city busting explosion.
Unless you're trying to argue there's some pillars or support or structure that causes a chain-reaction to destroy the universes together, which there is no evidence of, what we're arguing, and what you are claiming, is literally the same thing. An explosion originating in one universe crossing over to another one. Just like an explosion blowing up a star and causing it to supernova spreads out into the rest of the planets and gradually destroys them.
And if you're trying to say that they would cause two separate explosions in two different universes, how would they do so? They could not travel to the other universe and fight again, and— look. We already addressed this in the threads. Just ignore him.
Unless you're trying to argue there's some pillars or support or structure that causes a chain-reaction to destroy the universes together, which there is no evidence of, what we're arguing, and what you are claiming, is literally the same thing. An explosion originating in one universe crossing over to another one. Just like an explosion blowing up a star and causing it to supernova spreads out into the rest of the planets and gradually destroys them.
And if you're trying to say that they would cause two separate explosions in two different universes, how would they do so? They could not travel to the other universe and fight again, and— look. We already addressed this in the threads. Just ignore him.
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Summarizing for you people is wrong since you have to read everyones argumnet on both threads. Stop being lazy and read both threads because most of your arguments were debunk on both threads.
Everyone is argument breaks the Occam's Razor principles.
Beerus + Champa = Base 2-C via This
We know the All Angels are way stronger than combine Champa and Beerus hence why they were upgraded. GP to 2-C for being way stronger than All Angels. All Angels to Likely 2-C for being way stronger than Beerus and Champa combine.
Gogeta SSB is stronger than FPSSJBroly who is possibly stronger tha Beerus hence why Geogeta Blue was upgraded to Possibly 2-C.
Everyone is argument breaks the Occam's Razor principles.
Beerus + Champa = Base 2-C via This
We know the All Angels are way stronger than combine Champa and Beerus hence why they were upgraded. GP to 2-C for being way stronger than All Angels. All Angels to Likely 2-C for being way stronger than Beerus and Champa combine.
Gogeta SSB is stronger than FPSSJBroly who is possibly stronger tha Beerus hence why Geogeta Blue was upgraded to Possibly 2-C.
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Universe 7 is destroyed -> their shockwaves travel to Universe 6 -> Universe 6 then gets destroyed.
One at a time, so it's a Low 2-C feat.
One at a time, so it's a Low 2-C feat.
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@Pritti.
It's proven in the series itself.
In DB, a universe is defined as "planets, stars, a large number of galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, and all contents of mater and energy." IIRC this is from Daizenshuu 4.
You know as well as I do that the word "multiverse" (multi-dimensional space time) is never once used in the original Japanse script of DBS. It's only the dub that uses the term.
It's proven in the series itself.
In DB, a universe is defined as "planets, stars, a large number of galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, and all contents of mater and energy." IIRC this is from Daizenshuu 4.
You know as well as I do that the word "multiverse" (multi-dimensional space time) is never once used in the original Japanse script of DBS. It's only the dub that uses the term.
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This still wouldnt be possible to happen if the universes are in separate space-times though.ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Shockwaves cannot bypass dimenional barriers. So if your claiming this shadow, then you have to agree with the universes in DBS not being in their own space-times (which would be the only possible way your argument of shockwaves breeching dimensional walls would make sense).
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Lol
An explosion from my ******* shattered my pelvis. The shockwaves then travel to the rest of the planet and destroy the planet. Therefore, the explosion was normal human level.
Even though that SAME explosion destroyed the planet and we don't categorize how strong something is by the order in which a single action destroys objects but if a single explosion of energy can produce that level of destruction. Shadow. Stop.
An explosion from my ******* shattered my pelvis. The shockwaves then travel to the rest of the planet and destroy the planet. Therefore, the explosion was normal human level.
Even though that SAME explosion destroyed the planet and we don't categorize how strong something is by the order in which a single action destroys objects but if a single explosion of energy can produce that level of destruction. Shadow. Stop.
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This still wouldnt be possible to happen if the universes are in separate space-times though.
Shockwaves cannot bypass dimenional barriers. So if your claiming this shadow, then you have to agree with the universes in DBS not being in their own space-times (which would be the only possible way your argument of shockwaves breeching dimensional walls would make sense).
You could make all Dragon Ball characters as 2-A so they are all 5D entities and they can break dimensional barriers and traverse 5D space.
There would be a helluva people that would be super happy with this change in this thread, ya know?
Shockwaves cannot bypass dimenional barriers. So if your claiming this shadow, then you have to agree with the universes in DBS not being in their own space-times (which would be the only possible way your argument of shockwaves breeching dimensional walls would make sense).
You could make all Dragon Ball characters as 2-A so they are all 5D entities and they can break dimensional barriers and traverse 5D space.
There would be a helluva people that would be super happy with this change in this thread, ya know?
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Also, before people throw that the Heaven and hell have different space-time, this is not possible since when Whis rewind time and prank Zamasu before he kill gowasu for the second time, time in the outer world is rewinded but whis was situated in the living world..
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Rash, stop instigating. You said you gave up. Now you're starting shit.
Matter of fact, rash, explain to me how X beating up Y with the greatest of ease whilst only being 1.1x stronger than Y with equal everything else, is more rational than him being 2x stronger at least. Because that 1.1x seems like it would be a close fight, when it wasn't.
Matter of fact, rash, explain to me how X beating up Y with the greatest of ease whilst only being 1.1x stronger than Y with equal everything else, is more rational than him being 2x stronger at least. Because that 1.1x seems like it would be a close fight, when it wasn't.
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@ProfessorKukui4Life You would have a point if I was saying the feat was 3-A, but I'm saying it's Low 2-C. If they're Low 2-C they can do that.
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@Sera that what i've said before^The Causality said:
@Husieto without evidence of different space-time, we assume the fact that they have the same instead of throwing hax range, it firstly need to be proved and secondly give the range, not the contrary
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If thats true Sera, then as said before, this is an issue with the cosmology of the verse in general instead of Beerus and Champas specific feat.Sera EX said:
The cosmology needs to be discussed and clarified first before we decide what to do with Beerus and Champa's feat here.
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It's cognitive dissonance then to accept Zeno to be 2-C whilst not believing the structure he destroys to qualify for the tier.Sera EX said:
May sound like a false dichotomy but this really seems like a deal where either Zeno and by extension Beerus+Champa are 2-C or no one is and everyone should be downgraded accordingly to the tier that would fit in our system.
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