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Goku and Jiren vs. Gogeta.
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Instead of claiming so, substainate your claim.
Ummmm...... he effortlessly beat him around without using full power? I mean it's not an opinion, it's a simple conclusion anyone who watched the movie would also arrive to.
Ummmm...... he effortlessly beat him around without using full power? I mean it's not an opinion, it's a simple conclusion anyone who watched the movie would also arrive to.
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Gogeta would have defeated Broly in SSJ2. He just wanted to end the fight quickly judging he was adapting so quick ( Broly adapted and overcame both Goku and Vegeta's Years worth of training in mere minutes. He went from struggling against Base Vegeta to Bullying Both SSB Goku and Vegeta )
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Yes. If he had played around like Vegito usually does Broly would've adapted, But Gogeta took the fight seriously and went straight to Blue after realizing super saiyan wasn't going to cut it.Shubham Sonsurkar said:
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No he wouldn't, Broly at SSJ FP tanked SSJ Gogeta and smacked him across the entire dimension and he still got stronger, and SSJ FP Broly got strong enough after powering up from stardust breaker then where Gogeta raised his power further in blue to stop him.
Broly took nearly everything Gogeta had, saying Gogeta would beat him in weaker forms is laughable. If a weaker form was enough then Gogeta would use a weaker form, just as he went SSJ to deal with Broly and not higher
Broly took nearly everything Gogeta had, saying Gogeta would beat him in weaker forms is laughable. If a weaker form was enough then Gogeta would use a weaker form, just as he went SSJ to deal with Broly and not higher
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@MrJohn; We didn't say he'd beat him in a weaker form, the opposite in fact. I said if he messed around and not turned blue immediately he would've lost.
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In SSJ he wasn't even trying to kill broly
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Jiren didn't necessarily fight seriously, but actually started using his real power. He only did that out of respect for them which was stated.ZERO7772 said:
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He was, he was trying to kill him in every form. He gave him no chance to even breathShubham Sonsurkar said:
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GOGETA LIMIT BREAKS & GOES SSBE & LIKELY USES SUPER SAIYAN BLUE 2 OR 3 EVOLUTION
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@Cryo
I was under the impression that SSGSS Gogeta is comparable to MUIS Goku and BUW Jiren individually
I was under the impression that SSGSS Gogeta is comparable to MUIS Goku and BUW Jiren individually
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It's all a convoluted mess, because Toei is afraid to scale the GoDs. I've already done tons of posts on my perspective regarding the scaling, so repeating the same argument would just be dull.Mickey1940 said:
In summary, magazine scan claims MUI Goku 'possibly surpasses' Beerus and Beerus is, from my perspective, far stronger than every other GoD. Jiren is only stated to surpass Belmod, and the rumors of him surpassing the GoDs was spread by Belmod. The only other statement regarding Jiren's power, relative to GoDs, is Whis claiming that Jiren has power akin to a God of Destruction.
Overall, I believe that: Gogeta Blue >> FPSS Broly = UI Goku = LB Jiren >/= Beerus >> Jiren > UIS Goku >/= GoDs >> GoD Toppo
Going into more detail is repetitive due to how frequently I have debated GoD scaling. Honestly, I should probably just start writing blogs and citing them.
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Here's my scale
ÔÖ¥Zamasu(makes whis skin tingle) SSGSSK├ù20 Goku < Spirit Bomb = SS Kefla < Jiren < UIO1 Goku < UIO2 Goku = SS2 Kefla < Jiren ~ SSGSS Vegeta < SSGSS Vegeta(dbs m1) < SS Goku < SS3 Goku < SSG Goku < UIO3 Goku(never was stated to be close to destroyer tier) < SSGSSK├ù20 Goku(close to destroyer tier) < SSW Broly(somewhere between here) ~ SS Gogeta < SSG Gogeta < UFP Jiren ~ UI Goku(& here is destroyer tier) < LSSW Broly(stated to be the mightiest combatant, strongest enemy in history, frankly goku & co. are up against the strongest, destructive power greater than a god of destruction) < Supressed SSGSS Gogeta < FP SSGSS Gogeta
ÔÖ¥Zamasu(makes whis skin tingle) SSGSSK├ù20 Goku < Spirit Bomb = SS Kefla < Jiren < UIO1 Goku < UIO2 Goku = SS2 Kefla < Jiren ~ SSGSS Vegeta < SSGSS Vegeta(dbs m1) < SS Goku < SS3 Goku < SSG Goku < UIO3 Goku(never was stated to be close to destroyer tier) < SSGSSK├ù20 Goku(close to destroyer tier) < SSW Broly(somewhere between here) ~ SS Gogeta < SSG Gogeta < UFP Jiren ~ UI Goku(& here is destroyer tier) < LSSW Broly(stated to be the mightiest combatant, strongest enemy in history, frankly goku & co. are up against the strongest, destructive power greater than a god of destruction) < Supressed SSGSS Gogeta < FP SSGSS Gogeta
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I agree. Broly was so strong he couldn't land an effective hit & was knocked around like cheese.Mulgara said:
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Lmao you trollingMulgara said:
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You dare call Gogeta's attack shittyMulgara said:
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Tbf they were pretty trash.
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Gogeta is so obviously stronger than Broly that the only way you can think otherwise is if you didn't watch the movie at all.
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Goku is the main protagonist so even if Gogeta beats him at first he'll surpass him in like 45 minutes.
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how so?EmperorRorepme said:
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He doesn't have any hax that would threaten Broly, DB works simple, the stronger you are, the more resistent you are
Beerus hax didn't stop Vegeta in CSSJB beating him lol
Beerus can adapt to Broly in UI, he can absorb expolosions, hakai, nullify conventional durability and that is not all. WTF are you talking about?
You would reqire Hitchens Razor for that. Beerus made Vegeta his pet.
Beerus hax didn't stop Vegeta in CSSJB beating him lol
Beerus can adapt to Broly in UI, he can absorb expolosions, hakai, nullify conventional durability and that is not all. WTF are you talking about?
You would reqire Hitchens Razor for that. Beerus made Vegeta his pet.
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I almost can't tell if you guys are joking or not lmao...I love it xD
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Beerus can adapt to Broly in UI, he can absorb expolosions, hakai, nullify conventional durability and that is not all. WTF are you talking about?Mulgara said:
You would reqire Hitchens Razor for that. Beerus made Vegeta his pet.
Broly is probably stronger then Beerus, that includes UI Beerus as well. Also no, UI Beerus barely long long and Broly is too udrable and adapts way too quickly, he would snack on Beerus after fighting him for 5 seconds.
Absorbing explosions that are weaker then him ? His Hakai only worked on fodders, he nuffily energy much weaker then himself.
When has Beerus hax ever beaten someone stronger then himself ? Never
Broly would crush Beerus
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Well if you Examine the Manga(which is canon to the Broly movie), Goku's Hakai worked on fusion Zamasu who was stronger than him at that point, and Goku's variation is much weaker than Beerus'.
Also Beerus has Sealing as well, and is a far far superior martial artist so he can outskill.
Also Beerus has Sealing as well, and is a far far superior martial artist so he can outskill.
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Broly is probably stronger then Beerus, that includes UI Beerus as well. Also no, UI Beerus barely long long and Broly is too udrable and adapts way too quickly, he would snack on Beerus after fighting him for 5 seconds.Mr John West said:
Absorbing explosions that are weaker then him ? His Hakai only worked on fodders, he nuffily energy much weaker then himself.
When has Beerus hax ever beaten someone stronger then himself ? Never
Broly would crush Beerus
In character Beerus would go for the lolhakai from the get-go, and that's not enough time for Broly to adapt
Plus Broly has no resistances to Hakai
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Wat? Fusion Zamasu was weaker than CSSB Goku and the only reason the battle went for as long was because Zamasu kept regenerating. Goku was doing way more damage to Zamasu with his attacks.UchihaSlayer96 said:
Goku's power never went down only his stamina as the fight went on.
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Fusion Zamasu was at least as strong as Goku, at least physically. He can probably destroy him with a Kamehameha because even Vegeta obliterated him with a Gamma Burst Flash.
But anyway Beerus still wins against Broly via skill, sealing, Ki nullification, and Hakai because Broly has no resistance to it.
But anyway Beerus still wins against Broly via skill, sealing, Ki nullification, and Hakai because Broly has no resistance to it.
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Zamasu wasn't stronger, they were evenUchihaSlayer96 said:
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In character Beerus would go for the lolhakai from the get-go, and that's not enough time for Broly to adaptMickey1940 said:
Plus Broly has no resistances to Hakai
head canon, Broly will just do what Frieza did and Vegeta did, simply overpower it cause of the power difference. Beerus has to be stronger, it's simple otherwise it's NLF
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So are you going to ignore the lore behind the speed and strength amp which you receive from UI? You should consider that instead of making delusive assertions which blatantly ignores interpretations which are not contradicted.Mr John West said:
I've also established that UI also allows you to adapt to your opponent, Broly`s reaction hax is a non - factor here and will be useless.
He can absorb explosions which amplify his attacks, so what is Broly going to do to stop it when he is already dead?
Since all of these "hax" Broly possess are useless and he seemingly has no resistance to Beerus`s hax, he will get haxstomped even if Broly is stronger. His hax working on weaker beings does not disprove his hax working on beings on his ballparks, that is purely faulty reasoning.
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i really doubt gogetas might is more than the combined power of jiren and Goku, but it should also be noted that Gogeta is well aware of all that goku can muster skill wise, since half of him is goku.
id say if they were to beat him, Jiren would be the main focus, while Goku acts just as a distraction. But like i said, i dont think Gogeta is 2x stronger than Jiren or Goku.
id say if they were to beat him, Jiren would be the main focus, while Goku acts just as a distraction. But like i said, i dont think Gogeta is 2x stronger than Jiren or Goku.
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