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Goku vs Kaguya

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Her durability is moon level, goku can easily destroy her with the spirit bomb, also, he's sub relativistic+ in base form, kaguya is only massively hypersonic, and she's only planet level with ESTB.

Lmao no spirit bomb takes prep

His flight speed is hanging at hypersonic speed she dimension dumps him off the bat and there's literally no proof he can even tag her while she's mobile given his slow flight speed she can even catch him off guard with space time manipulation he flat out loses this
 
Goku is way too fast for kaguya, he's not going to get caught by her tsb, and he won't get hit by the ash killing bones cause he'll dodge it.
 
What is this Goku being hypersonic nonsense i'm reading.. hes sub rel+ in base and double/triple/Quadruple that with Kaioken.

There is no way Kaguya is tagging him with anything.
 
This fight seems inconclusive:

Goku is too fast for her even with no kioken

Kaguya has High tier regen which is too hard for Goku to kill her

How will this fight go?

Goku getting bored and effortlessly dodging every attack Kaguya does (she is even slower than Goku when he fought Raditz), eventually he sees that he can't kill her because of the crazy regen and makes a spirit bomb while dodging Kaguya. Either the spirit bomb kills her or inconclusive.
 
For the last time Goku is only sub rel in shortburts read his profile

He's hypersonic in flight otherwise scaling off his snakeway road feat he isn't tagging her at all

Find a better argument
 
Short Burst speed means he can move at that speed for a short time. Also Combat speed and reactions. thats all he needs.

So Kaguya can't tag him.

Anyway this thread seems kind of pointless since Goku seemingly cannot under any circumstance beat Kaguya.

So it's either inconclusive or a mismatch here.
 
She can he can just see her movements in close range and react to it

She dimension dumps him before his flight can even get to her

And it's no mismatch Goku beat boros somehow who has her lvl of regen if I'm not mistaken

She does win fairly easily tho
 
Goku CAN move at that speed. its not just reactions. Short Burst (can move at that speed over a short time),Reactions and combat speed.

And Boros' regen is nowhere near Kaguyas (High-Mid to High is a big difference).

So yeah, Inconclusive or mismatch are the two options here. I'd go with Inconclusive myself.
 
Goku beat Boros some how I don't think it was a miracle also her her wait goku is a girl?
 
Doesn't kaguya have like multi moon level durability meaning goku could destroy ALL her atoms with a kamehameha wave. The ki attacks from goku travel at his reaction speeds
 
That's the point Goku is that speed in combat not flight that's why obd has him at hypersonic around that time they didn't separate it

And her regen makes up for her disadvantage in power as far as I'm concerned
 
Tbh in this case even if it were win by K.O she'd still win since once her physical body is heavily damaged she just turns into a chakra blob that would just absorb anything Goku dishes out and then just form ETBS and leave
 
I don't really care what the OBD thinks. To be blunt.

Powers means nothing if he can't do anything with it. Goku could never win this even before the match started. The definition of a mismatch. However Goku's speed can make this inconclusive..

However I'm starting to lean towards closing this thread as another alternative.
 
....Goku could win with spirit bomb only though that's the only thing he has that'd work..

But Kaguya wouldn't let him even with his superior speed her BFR is just that hax where she doesn't need to be that close to him at all
 
Kaguya can tank anything goku can do, and her dimension shift bfr doesn't need to tag him its just some sort of large point blank aoe around her like a reality marble, except she doesn't have to maintain it - she can just dump him there and leave.
 
I can't see Saiyan saga Goku getting around Mid-high Regenerationn. Kaguya also has an extreme amount of versatility to work with. Goku is either going to run out of steam dealing with Regenerationn or get killed while charging the spirit bomb. Gotta give my vote to Koguya.
 
Wow. for some reason I thought Kaguya had High Regen, not Mid High. Ok that changes things a bit.

Kaguya's dura is only Moon level+, Gokus AP is significantly higher and will very likely overwhelm her regen to destroy her on a level where she cannot regen. And before I hear the lulz regen argument think about this.

Buu has Mid-High level of regen also.Except unlike SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu where they were quite evenly matched AP/Dura wise Goku is a few times more powerful then Kaguya's dura will permit.

So I will vote Goku afterall. speedblitz KameHameha.
 
Kaguyas regen has another trick to it actually

What will Goku do to her once her physical form is destroyed and she turns into a blob of chakra that absorbs anything on contact including physical bodies?
 
Kaguya won't regen if she has nothing to regen with to begin with. Not like what happened in the Naruto Manga.
 
You do realize there's a reason far more hax chars than Goku resorted to sealing her right? Lol

If you assume her body gets destroyed what will Goku do to her chakra form?

I'd like to hear how he gets past that?
 
You do realize there's a reason far more hax chars than Goku resorted to dealing her right? Lol

You do realise Goku is not in the Naruto Manga. Nor is there anyone as powerful as Saiyan Saga Goku in Naruto.

If you assume her body gets destroyed what will Goku do to her chakra form?

Her Chakra form won't play a part because she will be literally get erased before that even matters. Goku can destroy her with Ki the same way Buu went out Seeing as hes way more powerful then Kaguya.

I'd like to hear how he gets past that?

Just to entertain this scenario he could easily gather the spirit bomb power he needs if she was in that state. And Goku won't need nearly the amount of power He was gathering to defeat Great Ape Vegeta who was more or less 10x as powerful as his base form who is also >>Kaguya.
 
First of all Hax >>>>>>>>> AP that's why Goku loses to most 3-B chars despite being universal now

Secondly not at all he can't damage her chakra form it's just a blog that absorbs anything his attacks will be absorbed and if he makes contact even his physical body will be too

And what argument do you have against her BFR?

She literally does so off the bat in character and his flight isn't nearly fast enough to stop it

He can't win against her lol
 
First of all Hax >>>>>>>>> AP that's why Goku loses to most 3-B chars despite being universal now

Strawma

Secondly not at all he can't damage her chakra form it's just a blog that absorbs anything his attacks will be absorbed and if he makes contact even his physical body will be too

NLF

And what argument do you have against her BFR?

Speedblitz.

She literally does so off the bat in character and his flight isn't nearly fast enough to stop it

Argumentum ad nauseum

He can't win against her lol

Argument from belief
 
You have no idea what strawman fallacy even means....

I gave you an argument followed by proof if you don't think AHax is superior to AP that's fine but don't claim it being a sham argument when it's common knowledge

That's not NFL btw that's from the manga for example intang will you claim that's NFL too because of AP? Exactly it's laughable..

Also he needs to get to her with flight to stop her BFR you are in heavy denial here his flight is hypersonic in saiyan saga based off snake way his combat is what's sub rel

Your argument"s very foundation is invalid
 
Just prove his flight speed and not combat is fast enough I have my proof his snakeway feat which he was going at his best to save everyone was hypersonic.

I'll wait..
 
It's pointless to argue about his speed cause goku is sub relativistic at his base form really easily due to the fact that he easily blitzed nappa with no effort at all. Stop wanking kaguya as someone that can easily come back from a spirit bomb when her durability sucks, and the spirit bomb also killed a being with the same level of Regenerationn as her, with the only difference being that the other being far outclasses kaguya by leaps and bounds.
 
Omg...

The amount of denial here is ridiculous Gokus sub rel in combat not flight he proves it crossing snake way road same goes for Raditz otherwise he'd be at his destinations instantly since sub rel is that fast

This gish gallop....
 
How in the world is being a blob of energy that can absorb other physical beings an NLF? Goku in general has NO resistance to energy transmutation or being turned into energy and then absorbed, especially Saiyan Saga. Kaguya in that form would be something like a logia so that Goku cant harm her at all. He isnt like characters who can fight after being transmuted or turned into other forms. I mean you COULD argue that Buu saga goku can have resistance to energy transmutation since Vegito could still fight Buu after being turned into candy, but that would be useless here since its Saiyan Saga

Besides, Kaguya has precognition via her sharingan so she can just see his movements before Goku even thinks of them, BFR him and then leave. Win right there

Ppl here are sleeping on Kaguya's hax
 
Souls in Naruto are Chakra. They contain Chakra and exist as Chakra. Logically speaking, Kaguya really can reform her body just from a spiritual level based on that. So Goku can't "Kill" her either way.

And I don't see how Goku is beating a Juubiform that asorbs energy/matter.
 
FictionalBlade101 said:
How in the world is being a blob of energy that can absorb other physical beings an NLF? Goku in general has NO resistance to energy transmutation or being turned into energy and then absorbed, especially Saiyan Saga. Kaguya in that form would be something like a logia so that Goku cant harm her at all. He isnt like characters who can fight after being transmuted or turned into other forms.
Besides, Kaguya has precognition via her sharingan so she can just see his movements before Goku even thinks of them, BFR him and then leave. Win right there

Ppl here are sleeping on Kaguya's hax
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1. It's NFL because it has never been shown or either implied. You are practically making up powers for a character based on how you think their abilities work rather than how they work.

2. Goku needs no resistance to energy transmutation because Kaguya has not once demonstated it.

3. You cannot compare franchises like this. Plus a logia has also never been shown to survive a blast of energy an entire tier above their own durability before so this comparrison is completely mute. This is also completely presumptuous, Kaguya has never been shown to have intangability.

4. Sharingan predicts movements based off the movements of muscles, even slight ones. So she cannot see what Goku is going to do before he knows it because he has to act before she can predict it. Not that her predicting it matters since she completely lacks the capacity to react to it. She also continued to fight Sasuke and Naruto after swapping dimension so why would she decide to just leave Goku there?

5. Maybe some 'ppl' are wanking Kaguya's hax here.
 
She didn't fight Naruto/Sasuke for nothing but she wanted to reclaim her chakra from them context ...use it.

She shifts dimensions because that's what she does mainly

And Goku is the one who lacks speed here his flight isn't nearly fast enough to catch up to her before she dimension dumps him.
 
Volundox said:
FictionalBlade101 said:
How in the world is being a blob of energy that can absorb other physical beings an NLF? Goku in general has NO resistance to energy transmutation or being turned into energy and then absorbed, especially Saiyan Saga. Kaguya in that form would be something like a logia so that Goku cant harm her at all. He isnt like characters who can fight after being transmuted or turned into other forms.
Besides, Kaguya has precognition via her sharingan so she can just see his movements before Goku even thinks of them, BFR him and then leave. Win right there

Ppl here are sleeping on Kaguya's hax
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1. It's NFL because it has never been shown or either implied. You are practically making up powers for a character based on how you think their abilities work rather than how they work.
2. Goku needs no resistance to energy transmutation because Kaguya has not once demonstated it.

3. You cannot compare franchises like this. Plus a logia has also never been shown to survive a blast of energy an entire tier above their own durability before so this comparrison is completely mute. This is also completely presumptuous, Kaguya has never been shown to have intangability.

4. Sharingan predicts movements based off the movements of muscles, even slight ones. So she cannot see what Goku is going to do before he knows it because he has to act before she can predict it. Not that her predicting it matters since she completely lacks the capacity to react to it. She also continued to fight Sasuke and Naruto after swapping dimension so why would she decide to just leave Goku there?

5. Maybe some 'ppl' are wanking Kaguya's hax here.
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1.)That's not a NLF, nor is it Made up. Kaguya absorbed a Naruto Clone simply by touching it turning it's flesh into pure energy and NAruto told Sasuke not to touch or else the same will happen to him.

2.)Turning A Shadow Clone into energy and absorbing them counts as such. And before you cast stones, Shadow Clones are Physical Flesh and Blood Copies, That's much is stated in it's description.


3.)I Agree the Logia thing is faulty and does not match, but Kaguya's Juubi body will absorb any energy he throughs at her.

4.)Reread Sasuke vs Naruto.

5.)It's not wank when Goku hasn't shown getting over said hax in his own verse and we know he has no response to them.
 
Im not gonna quote for the sake of space but ill still number points.

1. The clone's are made up of charkra which kaguya can absorb upon contact. There is no evidence to suggest they are flesh and blood maybe apart from a occasional bleeding. When hit sufficiently srtong they disperse again so their portrayal is somewhat inconsistent, but it does not prove charkra into flesh and blood.

2. The clone is made up of charkra which isn't the same thing as energy, but they are made of charkra, she is not converting them from flesh into charkra and absorbing them, she is just absorbing the charkra they are made of.

3. Energy is not charkra so it is massive NFL to assume she can absorb any energy used against her.

4. Ive not read this since it's initial release so you maybe right in this case.

5. The hax in question here is Kaguya's 'energy transmutation' but she hasn't been shown to be able to do it, so it doesn't matter is Goku has no resistance to it.
 
Ok this thread is way to toxic with the wanking/downplaying going on here, I literally cannot watch this anymore.

Closing.
 
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