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346x(I think it was like...354x?)
What are the main arguments? I'm too lazy to read everything ;-;?
Can anyone summarize?
this is mine for Sonicaltho Goku can one shot here, Sonic has various speed amps that he is keen to use in character, and his natural 4x reaction speed advantage, his amps like the boost would allow him to blitzs Goku and he has also several danger senses that would allow him to feel all attacks Goku trow at him
With the Purple gem, Sonic can become extremely small to make himself much harder to hit + his forcejewels and Chaos Control to teleport at will to avoid attacks.
all of that backed by his Parry, which would allow Sonic to slow down his perception of time to see Goku is slow motion
all in all making very difficult for Goku to hit Sonic in the first place
in the event Sonic IS hit however, he can still stay alive due to his survivability
Sonic can revive himself with Soul energy + Shara's ring, and with Caliburn he will be able to survive if he is somehow hit + use his Sonic heal move to heal himself from any damage on his body + His cracked will power that would allow him to keep going even if he severely injured, enough so to heal himself or to use some of his other hax to give him time to recover, that and with the Muteki Monitor Sonic can Power Null Goku's ways of harming him, granting him some protection for a few seconds,
Now for Sonic's possible wincon's here
The most obvious one is Chaos Control, which he can use for a variety of effects, most notably, he can stop time, which altho goku has resistance, it wouldn't be enough here as Chaos Control's time stop is strong enough to stop in time Immeasurable speed being, with it Sonic can also Seal + BFR Goku in another dimension with his 2-B/A range, which Goku wouldn't be able to get out of
With his numerous color powers he could defeat Goku in some ways as well, such as:
Deconstructing him with Indigo Asteroid
Absorbing him with Purple Frenzy
Using Violet void to not only become a Black Hole, that would kill Goku on contact once he gets inside of it, but to make him imune to his ranged attacks as all of them will be absorbed into the black hole making it bigger and more of a problem, also slowing Goku down to make it harder for him to flee from it
Goku's mafuba couldn't work, as Sonic resists 4D sealing + Sonic can use his Forcejewels to Body Pupetry goku into stop using it
all in all, i am not seeing much Goku can do here, i will be voting for Sonic for now, i may change my mind when more Goku supporters come here
Since Sonic has his optional equipment, Won't Sonic pull ring time eventually and turn Goku into a ring?this is mine for Sonic
I don't think... that exactly correlates. Like, I know he does Parkour, but that don't mean he would be able to ajust to a sudden change of brigteness. Disoriented don't exactly mean Dizzy, and also mean a state of confusion. You saying he would't get confused by suddenly losing his vision, because he does Parkour a lot is weird.Sonic will not be desoriented that easily, he is commonly doing 360s movement, in multiple changing gravity, and all shorts of high maneuver
Solar Flare is not just a "mere eye hurt", since Oozaru Vegeta (who also have a Lot of pain tolerance, check out his fight) get hit by one, and he got recoil by pain for several seconds, and Goku could finish the Spirit bomb.Sonic pain tolerance goes br
If Goku does at close range, would be pretty difficulty for Sonic to dodge. Or like, he could use a AoE attack too.his several danger sense will allow him to react properly to where Goku is
at worst he Chaos control to stop time or teleport away
I din't say he would start with Solar Flare.Also, i don't Goku ever opened with Solar Flare,
Danger sense will alert him of an attackI don't think... that exactly correlates. Like, I know he does Parkour, but that don't mean he would be able to ajust to a sudden change of brigteness. Disoriented don't exactly mean Dizzy, and also mean a state of confusion. You saying he would't get confused by suddenly losing his vision, because he does Parkour a lot is weird.
He won't pull out of nowhere a Genki dama unless he feels he is outmatched like JirenSolar Flare is not just a "mere eye hurt", since Oozaru Vegeta (who also have a Lot of pain tolerance, check out his fight) get hit by one, and he got recoil by pain for several seconds, and Goku could finish the Spirit bomb.
Not that mean anything, since i don't see any of this feats are being about hurting Sonic eyes, so i still think he would be affected.
Time break, Time stop, Parry, Danger sense and sensing attacks says hiIf Goku does at close range, would be pretty difficulty for Sonic to dodge. Or like, he could use a AoE attack too.
He can eventually use itTotally In-character.
Danger senseI din't say he would start with Solar Flare.
I say he would use to hit Sonic, If is getting difficulty for him to use.
...wowDanger sense will alert him of an attack
He won't pull out of nowhere a Genki dama unless he feels he is outmatched like Jiren
Time break, Time stop, Parry, Danger sense and sensing attacks says hi
He can eventually use it
Danger sense
...wow
Don't worry about.
Don't worry about.
I feel like i said something stupid based on what you answered me, Tell me what i said that made you say that ;-;?...wow
he does adapt to a change in brightness all the time, he adjusted fine enough to numerous light to dark a dark to light situations in the past in numerous stages in his adventuresI don't think... that exactly correlates. Like, I know he does Parkour, but that don't mean he would be able to ajust to a sudden change of brigteness. Disoriented don't exactly mean Dizzy, and also mean a state of confusion. You saying he would't get confused by suddenly losing his vision, because he does Parkour a lot is weird.
well, Sonic's will power is too strong for him to just get easily stoped to something minor like this, he would fight against the eye pain of a bright light easily enough, besides he can still use Chaos Control to stop time and give him the time needed to recoverSolar Flare is not just a "mere eye hurt", since Oozaru Vegeta (who also have a Lot of pain tolerance, check out his fight) get hit by one, and he got recoil by pain for several seconds, and Goku could finish the Spirit bomb.
Not that mean anything, since i don't see any of this feats are being about hurting Sonic eyes, so i still think he would be affected.
4x reaction speed, even if goku does hit Sonic would more than enough time to get out of the situation to recover, either by time stop or teleportation or just using his boost to blitz Goku and ran away for enough timeIf Goku does at close range, would be pretty difficulty for Sonic to dodge.
he feels it and then outruns itOr like, he could use a AoE attack too.
Very much soTotally In-character.
ok then, i still believe Sonic would finish things off before that thoI din't say he would start with Solar Flare.
I say he would use to hit Sonic, If is getting difficulty for him to use.
You could just said that.he does adapt to a change in brightness all the time, he adjusted fine enough to numerous light to dark a dark to light situations in the past in numerous stages in his adventures
Do you have a example of him having his eyes hurt, and recovered quickly? And again, It affects Vegeta, who have a enormous pain tolerance.well, Sonic's will power is too strong for him to just get easily stoped to something minor like this, he would fight against the eye pain of a bright light easily enough,
Ok, he would still need the time to get away, which he don't have in close range.4x reaction speed,
But If he hits Sonic, he one-shot.even if goku does hit Sonic would more than enough time to get out of the situation to recover, either by time stop or teleportation or just using his boost to blitz Goku and ran away for enough time
Goku do one so big, he can't outrun the blast. And like, he still getting his eyes hurt.he feels it and then outruns it
Oh, yeah, that one instance of him doing so, and he don't do It other time. Do you a good example of him dodge attacks with Chaos Control?
Ok.ok then, i still believe Sonic would finish things off before that tho
Why?So uh im prolly gonna remove optimal eqiupment for a bit to see how it goes
Causse by the looks of what I see it kinda looks like a stomp, and I dont know how Goku will deal with immortalityWhy?
I seeCausse by the looks of what I see it kinda looks like a stomp, and I dont know how Goku will deal with immortality
for one quick example, from this to thisYou could just said that.
Also, do you have one example?
pain tolerance is not a matter here, Sonic even without it endured with his sheer WillpowerDo you have a example of him having his eyes hurt, and recovered quickly? And again, It affects Vegeta, who have a enormous pain tolerance.
he did that and much more in frontiers as i have described in my earlier commentsAlso, do he ever ignore pain instantly and Dodge a attack?
or to just cover his eyes, or to turn his head to the other side, he has plenty of time with his 4x reaction speedOk, he would still need the time to get away, which he don't have in close range.
and Sonic survives and heals, also the problem is if he will be able to even hit Sonic to begin withBut If he hits Sonic, he one-shot.
unless Goku for some reason decides to make a planet size exlosion, that would kill him as well because no oxygen, then no, also, sonic can just run to another dimension to dodge the blast, or chas control to another timeline to dodge the explosion, or chaos control the explosion itself awayGoku do one so big, he can't outrun the blast.
willpower + several danger sense take care of thoseAnd like, he still getting his eyes hurt.
This proves that if he sees as necessary, he will use it, unless you are saying that Sonic will never use it.....which is just a noOh, yeah, that one instance of him doing so, and he don't do It other time.
the very clip i showed you, besides.....it is kind of obvious that he would use it if needed, there is no logical reason to say that he wouldn't even if he knew it would save him, he is not dumb, he would analyse Goku and then logically use it when he sees that he needs to, altho, he has other wincons that doesn't involve just itDo you a good example of him dodge attacks with Chaos Control?
neither he or shadow had it on their hands in the entirety of their battle, they work in the hammerspace as wellAnd as far i know, Sonic need to have that shit in hand to use, is likely he won't have in the middle If the fight.
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^^ i altered my resume to take optional equipment out of it, overall i still vote for Sonicaltho Goku can one shot here, Sonic has various speed amps that he is keen to use in character, and his natural 4x reaction speed advantage, his amps like the boost would allow him to blitzs Goku and he has also several danger senses that would allow him to feel all attacks Goku trow at him
Sonic can Chaos Control to teleport at will to avoid attacks.
all of that backed by his Parry, which would allow Sonic to slow down his perception of time to see Goku in slow motion
all in all making very difficult for Goku to hit Sonic in the first place
in the event Sonic IS hit however, he can still stay alive due to his survivability
Sonic can revive himself with Soul energy + use his Sonic heal move to heal himself from any damage on his body + His cracked will power that would allow him to keep going even if he severely injured, enough so to heal himself or to use some of his other hax to give him time to recover
Now for Sonic's possible wincon's here
The most obvious one is Chaos Control, which he can use for a variety of effects, most notably, he can stop time, which altho goku has resistance, it wouldn't be enough here as Chaos Control's time stop is strong enough to stop in time Immeasurable speed being, with it Sonic can also Seal + BFR Goku in another dimension with his 2-B/A range, which Goku wouldn't be able to get out of
With his numerous color powers he could defeat Goku in some ways as well, such as:
Deconstructing him with Indigo Asteroid
Absorbing him with Purple Frenzy
Using Violet void to not only become a Black Hole, that would kill Goku on contact once he gets inside of it, but to make him imune to his ranged attacks as all of them will be absorbed into the black hole making it bigger and more of a problem, also slowing Goku down to make it harder for him to flee from it
Goku's mafuba couldn't work, as Sonic resists 4D sealing
i will be voting for Sonic
Not applied and i think its only up to that duraBy the way, Didn't the Ring thing get accepted?
The rings give Sonic 2-B possibly 2-A durability no?
I see, Thanks for correcting me, But he can also recover health and stamina with thoseNot durability, Goku's attacks would still make him lose rings
Lad just doesn't get one-shot by 2-B/2-A attacks
The 48H have passed already with 2 staff votes on agree, I don't see why we can't include them?Not applied and i think its only up to that dura
Either way its tanking up to that much damage onceThe 48H have passed already with 2 staff votes on agree, I don't see why we can't include them?
no they don't give any durability rating at allBy the way, Didn't the Ring thing get accepted?
The rings give Sonic 2-B possibly 2-A durability no?
I have been told XDno they don't give any durability rating at all
You need 2 staff votes to add the CRT, Shake has maverick and eliz votesand no, it was not accepted yet, needs 1 more staff approval
Big changes for massive verses require 3You need 2 staff votes to add the CRT, Shake has maverick and eliz votes
Ah, I see, Thanks for clarifying meBig changes for massive verses require 3
Teleport to another planet. And also, he can literally just send a Kiai or a Shockwave to kill Sonic too, don't even the Planet destroyed.unless Goku for some reason decides to make a planet size exlosion, that would kill him as well because no oxygen,
Is my fault i din't explain propelly, but like when they engaging in close combat, Goku can use techniques like Transcendence to get Sonic.also, sonic can just run to another dimension to dodge the blast, or chas control to another timeline to dodge the explosion, or chaos control the explosion itself away
I know, when he about to die in adventure 2, he uses to get out, but why he would he assume a simple punch would kill him?This proves that if he sees as necessary, he will use it, unless you are saying that Sonic will never use it.....which is just a no
Sonic can revive himself with Soul energy + use his Sonic heal move to heal himself from any damage on his body + His cracked will power that would allow him to keep going even if he severely injured, enough so to heal himself or to use some of his other hax to give him time to recover
Fair enoughI gonna ignore the Solar flare stuff, because your arguments don't really convice me that Sonic would be able to counter. Like, i can see if Sonic got hit by a Solar Flare he could 100% block the attack, but i don't see him dodging it. But if we argue, we gonna be here forever for one argument that don't really matter, so i gonna drop for now. I still hold my opinion that would work, and you think it would't and you already voted. So you know, i gonna jump for the next point.
(And we also argue the Solar Flare in the Krillin vs Sans thread, and we din't agree there also, so like...)
He needs to have someone on the said planet for him to feel ki and teleport, under SBA, he will not have that someone since it would count as outside helpTeleport to another planet.
First of all, why do you guys always assume that Goku will instanly go for the kill agains't someone weaker than him? Prove that he would go for the kill if your argument relies on itAnd also, he can literally just send a Kiai or a Shockwave to kill Sonic too, don't even the Planet destroyed.
they will not be engadging in close combat, in the first hit Sonic will notic how he can't harm him conventionaly, and then would most likely experiment with his haxesIs my fault i din't explain propelly, but like when they engaging in close combat, Goku can use techniques like Transcendence to get Sonic.
Sonic is a very skilled fighter, when he notices that none of his usual attacks are working, he will assume that since he can't harm him, that goku is massively stronger than him, plus his fighting style revolves around using his speed to dodge attacks and out maneuver the oponent with his speed amps, he would dodge the attacks by nature, that is how he fightsI know, when he about to die in adventure 2, he uses to get out, but why he would he assume a simple punch would kill him?
if he does the chaos emeralds would just wake him up again, besides you have been arguing that goku would just kill himSo like, why this don't account for the case Sonic gets knocked out?
still waiting to know why would goku want to kill Sonic, i don't get it, Sonic doesn't even have any kill intent in him for goku to get over seriousAnd also, if Goku hits Sonic with intent to kill
And then revive with soul energy and cure himself with the emeralds and his own heal skillhe woul't get just Injured, he would became blood pasta.
Optional Equipment was removed, remember?And then revive with soul energy and cure himself with the emeralds and his own heal skill
He actually still has ressurection without optimal eqiupmentOptional Equipment was removed, remember?
That is not even an equipment ability, it is his normal haxOptional Equipment was removed, remember?
eh blah blah blah soul energy make you come back to life at the cost of soul energyI forgor.
Though that imgur link used in the justification is wack. I'm on mobile I can't open it in the imgur app and trying the preview page option yields and unreadably small image
Yeah, ik. It's just a proper link would helpeh blah blah blah soul energy make you come back to life
That rule just count to characters who could help in the fight, like, Vegeta appears out nowhere to help Goku in fighting Sonic 2v1 him. The exception would be if the power of the character relies on a third person, they could that power. Since the person Goku is telerporting would not directly help him in the fight, he can teleport to them.He needs to have someone on the said planet for him to feel ki and teleport, under SBA, he will not have that someone since it would count as outside help
First of all, why do you guys always assume that Goku will instanly go for the kill agains't someone weaker than him? Prove that he would go for the kill if your argument relies on it
besides you have been arguing that goku would just kill him
still waiting to know why would goku want to kill Sonic, i don't get it, Sonic doesn't even have any kill intent in him for goku to get over serious
If, i really don't taking acount about Goku wanting killing Sonic right away. Not that really matters, since any of his attacks would kill Sonic right away;And also, if Goku hits Sonic with intent to kill
Considering that Super Sonic is restricted, i doubt it would. And Goku can just do it again. Or take the emeralds when they about to wake Sonic, they start floating when they heal him;if he does the chaos emeralds would just wake him up again, besides you have been arguing that goku would just kill him
Why you say first of all, and then not continue with second of all?Either way, Sonic can easily scape it still, going to other dimensions constantly to flee the attack, or chaos controling the attack itself away from him, besides even if he is hit, he can survive it, if not then he just revives and then heal himself
And Goku just gonna stand still? Also, why he would result to that immediatily? Like, if Sonic hit don't work, he most likely would try to punch him harder.they will not be engadging in close combat, in the first hit Sonic will notic how he can't harm him conventionaly, and then would most likely experiment with his haxes
Not before Goku strikes him away. Like this;besides, if Goku does do that, Sonic can use his color powers to scape, like eagle and hover to fly away from it, drill to go underground to scape it, violet void to absorb it, indigo asteroid to deconstruct it, etc
or
use chaos control to teleport out of it, or time stop it, or teleport it out of him
No not really, he could probally think Goku have a absurd defense, but not so much striking strenght. Without testing, he can't exactly assume that all his attacks can One-Shot him. And yeah, he dodges with his speed, what i arguing originally why he would use Chaos Control to dodge Goku attacks, sinceSonic is a very skilled fighter, when he notices that none of his usual attacks are working, he will assume that since he can't harm him, that goku is massively stronger than him, plus his fighting style revolves around using his speed to dodge attacks and out maneuver the oponent with his speed amps, he would dodge the attacks by nature, that is how he fights
I not seeing High Mid regeneration on Sonic profile;And then revive with soul energy and cure himself with the emeralds and his own heal skill