Golden 2Cs: Arceus vs Athena

[Schnee_One]

Remember when we used to make Arceus vs Hades? Yeah me too.

Course, I am a sadistic god, so I'm not gonna hold out on this, Speed Equal.

Arceus: 3

Athena: 3

 

[DodoNova2]

Athena ..... can win! I will argue later

 

[DodoNova2]

Okay, it's time for me to argue

AP Advantage

• Arceus

Good, Giratina has Stomp Palkia & Dialga that are Baseline 2-C, Arceus has Stomp Giratina without any worries, so Arceus is Above 2-C Baseline (obviously)

• Athena

Base Hades is absurdly above Baseline 2-C (keeps 3 Universe even while being asleep and base form), moreover, with are Surplice, that should be even bigger, Athena has managed to Kill Hades with Surplice (with the help of saint ect ...)

I really think that Athena> Arceus in terms of AP

Hax Advantage

• Arceus

here it seems that arceus has more hax than athena I see some useful:

-Law Manipulation: I do not know how it works with arceus but this may cause some concern

-Age manipulation: it seems that he can rejuvenate people until he forgets

-Power mimicry: all is in the name

-Conceptual manipulation: considering that it was not used in an applicable way in a fight, I do not know.

• Athena:

Regenerationn: owning Mid Godly renders 70/80% of arceus hax inefficient

-Divine Cosmos: it removes the 5 senses of the opponent, it is enough cheater like capacity

-Existance Erasure: It can bypass Mid Godly, its erasure can erase Arceus that does not show a high level of resistance to EE (or simply does not have it)

-Atomic Manipulation: May be useful against arceus

-Abstract Nature: Yeah .... it's very useful here.

Note: So Arceus will not be able to kill Athena, athena if with a higher AP and extremely useful hax

Conclusion

• Arceus: he can not kill Athena, he will not start with hax like law manipulation and will normally attack with basic attack, will realize that it does not work. his only chance is to literally rejuvenate Athena to oblivion (IDK if it works)

• Athena: the fact that she can beat arceus with almost all her attack the advantage really, the fact that she can removed her 5 senses and is almost intuable does not boot anything more, she can definitely clear Arceus

Athena Win Mid Difficulty likely more

 

[DodoNova2]

I probably forgot some hax but that will not change my votes, I wait for other answers

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Well, Saori's Resistances and Regen could help a lot here. Are Arceus' forcefields good enough to protect him from having his mind shut down?

 

[DodoNova2]

may be psy plate but she has a higher AP so it will not last long

 

[Schnee_One]

His plates will be more then enough to shave off the sense screw.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

She would be able to win via Nike...maybe. But the AP advantage doesn't go to her. Hades is ''stronger'' than her.

 

[Schnee_One]

"Athena has managed to kill Hades with Surplice"

Hades: "Could have easily killed Athena if he wasn't holding back"

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Well, then I think I'm voting Athena then, Arceus can't get past that Regen, and she has a lot of Resistances, there's also that Abstract Existence, and she apparently has higher AP too (I guess?)

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Anyway, Arceus plates + conceptual mind screw (via Uxie) might be enough, and has the means to stave off Nike for the time being...possibly.

 

[Schnee_One]

Arceus can get past her regen actually.

That's how he won against Sailor Moo

 

[DodoNova2]

I know but there is a difference between:

• Sleeping Hades = 3 Universe

• Hades base = 3 Universe +

• Hades Surplice = 3 Universe ++++

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Man, debating haxlords is hard, there's so much abilities in their profiles that I end up missing some important ones.

 

[DodoNova2]

Arceus can get past her regen actually.
That's how he won against Sailor Moo

he did not win against SM because he can bypass Mid Godly

 

[Schnee_One]

He trapped her in a time loop and has a victory against her.

Pretty sure having a victory against someone with it means you can bypass it, just not necessarily kill them.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Erm...

Darkrai = 2 universes

Palkia or Dialga>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Darkrai

Giratina>Palkia+Dialga

Sleeping Arceus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Creation Trio

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I'm not sure who wins then.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I think Arceus can win by his broken Power Nullification, which would get rid of the Staff of Nike and force Athena to the abilities she had during her beginning.

 

[Schnee_One]

Shall I retract?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

You can remove my vote if you want.

 

[DodoNova2]

He trapped her in a time loop and has a victory against her.
Pretty sure having a victory against someone with it means you can bypass it, just not necessarily kill them.

it was not really that otherwise he would not have won (I'm too lazy to say why so ....)

it is said that he held head to Bloodlust Palkia so I do not think Palkia >>>>>>>>>>> Darkrai, I'm tired so I wish you good night

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Darkrai has been portrayed to be absoultely terrified of Palkia, and only stood a ghost of a chance because Palkia was weakened, and not even focused on Darkrai, and instead was fighting Dialga. But good night, bud.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Good night :3

 

[DodoNova2]

Thank you, I'll talk about all of this tomorrow

 

[ZeedMillenniummon89]

Athena for Dodo's reasons

 

[Shootingkill]

I don't think Athena's the one who have the ap advantage here since Hades could have easily kill her if he wasn't holding back. Arceus is 2-C via being immensely stronger than the combined might of the Creation Trio (Giratina is stronger than both Dialga and Palkia, with one of them alone absolutely dwarfs Darkrai, a baseline 2-C, in power even while weakened and not even focusing it's attention on Darkrai at all) so I think Arceus is the one who is stronger here.

Athena's Advantage:

Divine Cosmos: Arceus' plates may counter against that and it's consciousness actually exists across space-time

Atomic Manipulation: Don't think it's enough to put down Arceus since it's actually just a physical manifestation of the Original One.

Abstract Nature: Don't know about this but Arceus casually stomp the embodiments of Time, Space and Antimatter altogether so I'm not so sure whether this will help or not.

That said, her Mid-Godly regen and type 8 immortality makes her extremely hard for Arceus to put down, but then again I doubt she can bypass Arceus' attack negating plates and type 9 immortality, and I do see that Arceus will eventually incapitate her via ap advantage and haxes like Power Nullification or time loop (scaling from Dialga who is a mere aspect of Arceus, who can trap Giratina, an acausal being, in a time loop)

 

[Schnee_One]

I counted Cal's vote for Arceus assuming he voted sense he's kinda arguing for Arceus throughout the whole thread.

2:2?

 

[Schnee_One]

type 9 immortality

Just now remembering he had that.....Huh.....

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Me.


Just gonna sit back and enjoy this.

 

[DodoNova2]

From what I hear, Yes, Arceus should have the AP advantage, however the only way for arceus to win is by "special" means (Uxie's abilities for example) he will not do it directly, whereas Meme a transmutation could kill Arceus (for example), if athena starts directly, she would win in most scenarios with her first attack (since all her attack seems to work against arceus) more, her hax can compensate for the lack of AP

Edit: Time loop is countered by Timeline Nuke..?

 

[Shootingkill]

How is she going to bypass Arceus' attack negating plates and type 9 immortality?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I still don't understand Type 9 tbh...Like I still don't understand how one beats a Type 9 character....

 

[Kaltias]

By punching their true self until it dies ovo

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

How does that work when the true self is 2-B?

 

[Kaltias]

Dunno. I guess that you need a way to prevent them from manifesting again

 

[Schnee_One]

99% sure he's being sarcastic.

I reaaaaalllllllyyyyy don't now if I want to restrict it or not....

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

How is that even..? Nevermind...No opinion, I'm neutral....I'm neutral....

 

[Schnee_One]

Just state your issu I already regret this thread.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I just don't understand Type 9. I really never get a concrete answer. From how it sounds, unless you beat 2-B Arceus, you cannot beat 2-C Arceus.....But, I don't feel like getting into a screaming match and as such I will remain neutral.