Graham (Maou Gakuin) VS Ruphas Mafahl (A Wild Last Boss Appeared)

[ThienDe01]

Can Ruphas Mafahl destroy Graham?
Rule:

• Equal Cosmology
• Equal Dimensional Existence

Graham (Moau Gakuin):

Graham (Maou Gakuin)

Graham (グラハム, Gurahamu) was a demon so powerful that he defied the order of the Gods, thus he was labelled a Misfit similarly to Anos Voldigoad. He was the one responsible for the deaths of Anos' parents in the latter's previous life. Graham was originally a human before eventually being...

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Ruphas Mafahl:

Ruphas Mafahl

Ruphas Mafahl (ルファス・マファール, Rufasu Mafāru) is the main protagonist of A Wild Last Boss Appeared! series. She is a Heaven-Winged who successfully unites the world and combining it into a single country under her authoritative rule. During her reign, the Goddess attempted to overthrow her. By...

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Incon:

 

[ZillionZeutron]

Can Ruphas Mafahl destroy Graham?
Rule:

• Equal Cosmology
• Equal Dimensional Existence

Graham (Moau Gakuin):

Graham (Maou Gakuin)

Graham (グラハム, Gurahamu) was a demon so powerful that he defied the order of the Gods, thus he was labelled a Misfit similarly to Anos Voldigoad. He was the one responsible for the deaths of Anos' parents in the latter's previous life. Graham was originally a human before eventually being...

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Ruphas Mafahl:

Ruphas Mafahl

Ruphas Mafahl (ルファス・マファール, Rufasu Mafāru) is the main protagonist of A Wild Last Boss Appeared! series. She is a Heaven-Winged who successfully unites the world and combining it into a single country under her authoritative rule. During her reign, the Goddess attempted to overthrow her. By...

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Incon:

You can’t equalize tiers. This should either be closed or moved to fun and games. I get that you want to see if characters can bypass grahams NEP, but you can’t make vs match-ups like this without it getting moved to fun and games.

 

[ThienDe01]

You can’t equalize tiers.

So can I create a battle with only "Equal Dimensional Existence" rule?

 

[ZillionZeutron]

So can I create a battle with only "Equal Dimensional Existence" rule?

No. This should be moved to fun and games if you want to make that rule.

 

[ThienDe01]

No. This should be moved to fun and games if you want to make that rule.

thank you

 

[ThienDe01]

No. This should be moved to fun and games if you want to make that rule.

But how to switch to "Fun and games"? Do I have to create another post on "fun and games"?

 

[ZillionZeutron]

But how to switch to "Fun and games"? Do I have to create another post on "fun and games"?

Either leave a message on a mod’s wall to request a transfer of your thread, or create a new thread yourself.

EDIT: By “Mod’s Wall”, I mean the message wall on their profile. Just go to their profile and tell them you want to transfer a thread to fun and games.

 

[ThienDe01]

bump

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Inconclusive, nothing interesting here.

Ruphas can't kill Graham, and Ruphas adapts to whatever Graham does.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Does the plot part of their settings have any factor here? Since it factors all at once. At best it'll let them overwrite and mess with him though I think. Abilities, actions and stuff. Like enforcing the strongest in the setting to themself which overwrites everything else too. Opponent cant do much without necessary hax. So either that or the famous incon either way. Probably could BFR him into some random massive universe they can create too I guess

I wanted to drop something that reformatted and added on to settings in the p&a at some point tbh, combining some stuff

 

[ThienDe01]

Ruphas adapts to whatever Graham does.

Graham has "layer hax" for every hax he has so I don't think Ruphas' adaptive hax is useful here. If he was adaptive, Graham could still buff more mana to increase the layer hax

 

[ThienDe01]

Does the plot part of their settings have any factor here?

I think not, except Graham might do some crazy things to win against his opponent, anyway he can't die completely in his vrese even if the whole structure in the verse is destroyed.

So either that or the famous incon either way. Probably could BFR him into some random massive universe they can create too I guess

I see only Graham has BFR but I don't know what effect BFR hax has in this match when their attack range is too far

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Ruphas transcends and AP stomps him, but wouldn't be able to kill him due to his insane regen. So stalemate, cuz any haz he throws would also be countered

 

[ThienDe01]

Ruphas transcends and AP stomps him, but wouldn't be able to kill him due to his insane regen. So stalemate, cuz any haz he throws would also be countered

How does Ruphas' "Attack Reflection" work? I've read Ruphas' profile but there's no description for this ability. And I don't think it's likely to work against Graham's weapon ability.

Reality Warping, Chaos Manipulation, Law Manipulation & Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1. The Divine Scythe of Disorder <Bephengzdogma> can utilize the order of falsification, to distort reality in order to achieve a desired result. With this weapon, it is possible to land an attack that should've been impossible, by distorting reality into making the attack that originally missed, land. Everything before the Divine Scythe of Disorder is chaos. Because of it, things that should happen do not happen, and things that shouldn’t happen do happen. It can rewrite a God's order and is shown to be similar to Venuzdonoa when it comes to its effects. Despite Bephengzdogma having a chaotic and unpredictable nature, its effects are in truth always going to be beneficial/convenient for Graham)

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Doesn't really matter, that's kindve the point. They just will it, and any of their random abilities do what they want lol

"My invincible barrier can block anything", it will block the scythe. Also if you do look at their profile I'd say it's pretty evident that gets resisted. But yeah...to stop/bypass Alovenus's abilities you need her own at least. He's not getting around setting shenanigans. Which he doesn't have. And they instantly adapt over those 70 layers, layers r pretty pointless with them

He's not outranging the bfr into a different universe as it can be bigger than his range immediately.

Anyway match up basically is pointless. Like I could try and argue the nep not having everything a setting covers, but too much work

 

[ThienDe01]

"My invincible barrier can block anything", it will block the scythe. Also if you do look at their profile I'd say it's pretty evident that gets resisted.

Graham did not swing the scythe at Ruphas, he just needed to swing it anywhere and the scythe's slash could strike straight at Ruphas. The attack speed of that Scythe was "immeasurable" because it was comparable to Venuzdonoa so Ruphas' counterattack ability might not be able to counter Graham's attack in time.

Which he doesn't have. And they instantly adapt over those 70 layers, layers r pretty pointless with them

I didn't find Ruphas's adaptability in her profile, maybe I didn't read it carefully. Also adaptability is changing yourself to better suit the environment (such as growing gills underwater), but not improving the quality. So I don't think adaptability plays any role in this battle.

He's not outranging the bfr into a different universe as it can be bigger than his range immediately.

I found Graham's slash faster than Ruphas using BFR on Graham. Even if Graham gets BFR, he can still come back by using <Gatom>.

“Ceris,” I said just before he used Gatom, “keep this in mind. Whether or not you are my father, if you’re planning on causing trouble, I won’t let you get away with it.”
He smiled at my warning and teleported away. (Light Novel Volume 6 Chap 28)

Teleportation & Dimensional Travel (Can connect two spaces and transcend the distance, between dimensions or to separate dimensions via <Gatom>)

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Graham did not swing the scythe at Ruphas, he just needed to swing it anywhere and the scythe's slash could strike straight at Ruphas. The attack speed of that Scythe was "immeasurable" because it was comparable to Venuzdonoa so Ruphas' counterattack ability might not be able to counter Graham's attack in time.

I didn't find Ruphas's adaptability in her profile, maybe I didn't read it carefully. Also adaptability is changing yourself to better suit the environment (such as growing gills underwater), but not improving the quality. So I don't think adaptability plays any role in this battle.

I found Graham's slash faster than Ruphas using BFR on Graham. Even if Graham gets BFR, he can still come back by using <Gatom>.

His Scythie wouldn't kill Ruphas anyways

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Idk why we are entertaining this, but there is absolutely nothing Graham can do to Ruphas.

Rupas ability passively makes her superior to her opponent, manipulating plot, destiny etc, adjusting her own settings in relation to her opponent.

In short the moment the fight starts Ruphas will instantly get stronger and faster than Graham, his Immeasurable speed means nothing, Ruphas sees it as 1 and becomes infinitely faster. Same thing for his hax.

Like excluding the 1-A arguments even after reaching infinitely above 1-A, Ruphas still became many infinities above that, and the whole time Ruphas and Alovenus were throwing their hax at each other.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

That said i do think we need to expand on the explanation of their reactive evolution, will get to it when I get back to revising the verse.

Here is something which is already on the profiles, their ability is basically to say nah mine is better, and makes all arguments about strength, speed, abilities irrelevant

 

[Enter_Bluey]

I didn't find Ruphas's adaptability in her profile, maybe I didn't read it carefully. Also adaptability is changing yourself to better suit the environment (such as growing gills underwater), but not improving the quality. So I don't think adaptability plays any role in this battle.

I found Graham's slash faster than Ruphas using BFR on Graham. Even if Graham gets BFR, he can still come back by using <Gatom>.

It's not really explained in the p&a, but the attack potency and notable ability sections. The p&a needs to be revised to explain the RE. If you look at the speed section, the slash is, infact, not faster than anything they do..

That said i do think we need to expand on the explanation of their reactive evolution, will get to it when I get back to revising the verse.

Here is something which is already on the profiles, their ability is basically to say nah mine is better, and makes all arguments about strength, speed, abilities irrelevant

I had a little something typed out in a sandwich for expanding on it. I can send it in either the discussion thread or like PM for you to see it maybe?it will go over different but I think the ability section could be reformatted to combine some things

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Send it to the discussion thread.

 

[ThienDe01]

That said i do think we need to expand on the explanation of their reactive evolution, will get to it when I get back to revising the verse.

Here is something which is already on the profiles, their ability is basically to say nah mine is better, and makes all arguments about strength, speed, abilities irrelevant

So neither side can kill the other so this match is probably a draw.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Send it to the discussion thread.

Done though I actually forgot, if it's in a sandbox if it'd be viewable or not

 

[OmniScalator]

That said i do think we need to expand on the explanation of their reactive evolution, will get to it when I get back to revising the verse.

Here is something which is already on the profiles, their ability is basically to say nah mine is better, and makes all arguments about strength, speed, abilities irrelevant

I don't think they even need to say, just willing might be enough