Grand Priest vs Cresselia

[Paulo.junior.969]

What hax does Cresselia even have? The page just says "she has some of Darkrai's abilities, but not all of them"; am I supposed to guess which ones she has?

 

[Quantu]

Stomp?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Ionliosite Dude, I was on that thread and I said I was against 2-C.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Does Cresselia have access to her TMs/tutor moves?.

 

[Ionliosite]

@Ionliosite Dude, I was on that thread and I said I was against 2-C.

If you're so against it, make another CRT, because there were many people there who agreed.

 

[Drite77]

Nop

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

"There were many people there who agreed" isn't really a good argument, tbh; just because there were many people who agreed, it doesnt mean it can't be wrong; a bunch of people think the Earth is flat, or that vaccines cause autism, or that Naruto is good, for example.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I think the analogy you meant was a bunch of people think the earth is round

 

[Warren_Valion]

Three things I need to say for this match:

1. Didn't Whis says something along the lines of, "The Omni-King has the power to instantly wipe out everything in the blink of an eye without effort"? So I am pretty sure Zeno's 12-18 universe feat is rather casual.

Not that it really matters in the first place.

All we know from the scaling is that the Grand Priest has a significant AP advantage over Cresselia


2. What does this Pokemon start with? Will the GP even be able to use his AP advantage?


3. Don't we know nothing about the GP? How can we determine how he will fight in this battle?

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Honestly this is a very cerebral battle, whoever moves first will probably lose (since both have ways of knowing each other's next move, abilities, strength etc).

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

"There were many people there who agreed" isn't really a good argument, tbh; just because there were many people who agreed, it doesnt mean it can't be wrong; a bunch of people think the Earth is flat, or that vaccines cause autism, or that Naruto is good, for example.

Boi

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Zeno's exact words were "If he wanted to, he could erase the entire world" verbatim

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

What does Zen'o even have to do with this?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It shows a peak. GP can't one shot unless he's very very close to Zeno's power due to our 7.5 thing.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Well, that sucks.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Ionliosite https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/40/Appeal-to-Popularity

Also chill.

Now onto the fight, Cresselia should take it via telekinesis and mindhax.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Zeno's exact words were "If he wanted to, he could erase the entire world" verbatim

I was talking about this scene with Whis, not Zeno's own words.

@Paulo.junior.969

Literally nothing, tbh.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Considering how incomplete her profile is and her limited move-pool, I struggling to think of any strong counters to the GP (unless I'm missing something).

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Warren. I effed up. I meant to say Whis.

 

[ProudLearner]

@Ionliosite Dude, I was on that thread and I said I was against 2-C.

You were destroyed on that thread by me, @AKM sama, @CryoTheMayo. Also, English is my second language so its hard to me to explain myself so @CryoTheMayo back me up on that thread.

You never responded back to them; therefore, you lost the debate.

Most users agreed to the upgrade. There some who were neutral yet agreeing on @AKM sama proposal.

Anyways this VS Thread is derailing so... let's stop now and continue, ok?

 

[Warren_Valion]

Also chill.

Now onto the fight, Cresselia should take it via telekinesis and mindhax.

Why Telekinesis?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

How good is Cresselia's mind hax?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Warren Valion Grab and toss him.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Paulo Not like Grand Priest resists mindhax anyways.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I'm asking if it works fast enough to kill him before he kills her.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Grab and toss him.

And why would the GP just let himself be affected by Telekinesis?

In a verse with gravity training, I am more aligned to believe the GP can just disregard Cresselia's telekinesis.


Mindhax could likely work though - although, I don't see the point in making a fight with the GP when we don't know how he fights, for all we know, he can through out hax as his starting move.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

How good is Cresselia's mind hax?

If she's scaled to Darkrai (with sharing "most" of their abilities with each other) she'll have illusion creation and memory manipulation I think?.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Gravity has nothing to do with being able to break out of telekinesis.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Breaking out of telekinesis is most about Lifting Strength, tbh.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Can she do the "lol go to sleep" Darkrai does?

 

[Ionliosite]

I mean, if we go by other Angels, Grand Priest likely leads with a karate chop.

 

[ProudLearner]

My vote is on Cresselia for HAX and been comparable to Darkrai who fought against with 2-B Legendary Pokemon.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Gravity has nothing to do with being able to break out of telekinesis.

You need to be able to lift your body up against the gravity which forces you down - that's lifting strength.

Telekinesis is just non-physical lifting strength. You need to be able to push yourself out of being pulled away.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Lifting Strength and enhanced gravity are two different things; just because you resist gravity, doesnt mean you resist someone picking you up and throwing you.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Can she do the "lol go to sleep" Darkrai does?

I couldn't find any form of sleep manipulation for her (ironically she can learn dream eater but she can't learn a status move that inflicts sleep) I know TMs/tutor moves aren't allowed tho.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Lifting Strength and enhanced gravity are two different things; just because you resist gravity, doesnt mean you resist someone picking you up and throwing you.

So you can resist a force pushing you down is fine enough, but one pushing you out is not?

Objects weigh more in places with heavy gravity, which requires more strength to lift said items, the reverse is also true.

I don't see how that is any different from grabbing someone and throwing them.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

> Give your Pokémon a move that only works when the opponent is asleep.

> Don't give her a move that puts the opponent to sleep.

Is Game Freak doing this shit on porpuse?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

So you can resist a force pushing you down is fine enough, but one pushing you out is not?

Yes, they're different.

 

[Warren_Valion]

> Give your Pokémon a move that only works when the opponent is asleep.
> Don't give her a move that puts the opponent to sleep.

Is Game Freak doing this shit on porpuse?

Is this accurate or is the profile just that outdated?

 

[Warren_Valion]

Yes, they're different.

That was a rhetorical question.

And not really. The only difference is the direction the forces are acting upon a body - to supersede both is with the same method, the one you stated, superior lifting strength.