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Guenael lee also has an ability like that, what makes you think that it'd work on gremmy?The fact that he can erase himself from Gremmy's memory. Which me and Deceived were already debating above....
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Guenael lee also has an ability like that, what makes you think that it'd work on gremmy?The fact that he can erase himself from Gremmy's memory. Which me and Deceived were already debating above....
The fact that he doesn't resist it.Guaenael lee also has an ability like that, what makes you think that it'd work on gremmy?
So what? Lee didn't have the ability active when Gremmy did that.Did you read what i said?
Guenael lee also has an ability that erases his existence from his opponents memory, gremmy just erased him.
It wouldn't, because Ji Ning's existence isn't dependent on Gremmy remembering him.And the way that gremmy's ability works, if he erases himself from gremmy's memory, who says that his existence doesn't get erased either as a counter-effect from the visionary?
I did. Him having the ability doesn't mean anything if it's never been used against Gremmy and the latter hasn't resisted it.Did you read what i said?
Guenael lee also has an ability that erases his existence from his opponents memory, gremmy just erased him.
Has this ever happened or been described as happening? The "erasure" itself just keeps Gremmy from recognising Ning's Primaltwin since the former hasn't seen or been aware of it yet, anyway.And the way that gremmy's ability works, if he erases himself from gremmy's memory, who says that his existence doesn't get erased either as a counter-effect from the visionary?
Would this change anything?
Gremmy's ability turns anything he imagines into reality, which was also explained to be counter-productive towards him, for example if he imagined his opponent to be unbeatable or something, or to be way stronger than they actually are, that'd become a reality, if he imagined himself being defeated, that'd become a reality as well. He could essentially imagine himself out of existence by accident.I did. Him having the ability doesn't mean anything if it's never been used against Gremmy and the latter hasn't resisted it.
Has this ever happened or been described as happening? The "erasure" itself just keeps Gremmy from recognising Ning's Primaltwin since the former hasn't seen or been aware of it yet, anyway.
The same applies to cultivators (there's no distinction between mind and soul, strengthening the souls strengthens the mind and vice-versa etc.) so not really.Would this change anything?
That's not how it works.Gremmy's ability turns anything he imagines into reality, which was also explained to be counter-productive towards him, for example if he imagined his opponent to be unbeatable or something, or to be way stronger than they actually are, that'd become a reality, if he imagined himself being defeated, that'd become a reality as well. He could essentially imagine himself out of existence by accident.
So, by erasing himself from gremmy's memory it's very possible that the existence from the primaltwin gets erased as a counter-effect
It isThat's not how it works.
He keeps himself from being in his memory to begin with. Gremmy has no knowledge of Ming's Primaltwin to begin with. This just keeps that memory from forming.Gremmy's ability turns anything he imagines into reality, which was also explained to be counter-productive towards him, for example if he imagined his opponent to be unbeatable or something, or to be way stronger than they actually are, that'd become a reality, if he imagined himself being defeated, that'd become a reality as well. He could essentially imagine himself out of existence by accident.
So, by erasing himself from gremmy's memory it's very possible that the existence from the primaltwin gets erased as a counter-effect
It's not. Characters don't start blipping out of existence if Gremmy forgets about them. You'd be implying that everyone in the world is consciously held in Gremmy's memory and nothing would exist unless he was imagining it.It is
that's not my argument at all? If they're not in gremmy's mind / memory to begin with then why'd they get affected by his reality warping?It's not. Characters don't start blipping out of existence if Gremmy forgets about them. You'd be implying that everyone in the world is consciously held in Gremmy's memory and nothing would exist unless he was imagining it.
If he can keep himself from ever being in his memory to begin with, then that's a different story.He keeps himself from being in his memory to begin with. Gremmy has no knowledge of Ming's Primaltwin to begin with. This just keeps that memory from forming.
And unless there's actual statements that such a thing can happen, I'm not gonna take a hypothetical possibility as a fact. By this logic, anything he forgets ceases to be.
That's different because Lee's existence is dependent on Gremmy remembering him in the first place and imagining him into existence.that's not my argument at all? If they're not in gremmy's mind / memory to begin with then why'd they get affected by his reality warping?
Im saying that if a certain being is in gremmy's memory, and suddenly gets erased, the effect of them being erased is very plausible, especially considering "he could no longer imagine a future" in which guanael lee exists.
His literal power is turning his imagination into reality, so if an opponent erases himself from his imagination, what would happen to them?
A lot of extrapolation about a character are plausible. They still need canon corroboration to be used.that's not my argument at all? If they're not in gremmy's mind / memory to begin with then why'd they get affected by his reality warping?
Im saying that if a certain being is in gremmy's memory, and suddenly gets erased, the effect of them being erased is very plausible, especially considering "he could no longer imagine a future" in which guanael lee exists.
This just circles back to before. If he forgets something, does it canonically get erased?His literal power is turning his imagination into reality, so if an opponent erases himself from his imagination, what would happen to them?
Primaltwin Ning already isn't in his memory. He and main body are the same person but considered different entities in mind, body and soul by even the laws of reality. As far as Gremmy knows, he killed Ning. PT Ning activating the ability would just keep that from ever forming considering its a continuous thing.If he can keep himself from ever being in his memory to begin with, then that's a different story.
Gremmy's reality warping wouldn't apply then.
He imagines things and they become reality, fine. He can imagine his opponents put of existence, fine. Is there anything that shows or states people removed from his mind cease to exist?The cannon corroboration is, that he can imagine his opponents to be invincible, and can imagine himself out of existence etc.
All which was literally stated in the manga. They pretty much explained that the visionary is also dangerous towards himself. since anything he imagines essentially becomes reality..
It's not just stuff im making up.
No. It's concept lock. Which gets his main body erased. His Primaltwin is stored in the Starseizing Manor and Ning is very much not averse to stealth methods. The memory erasure is a mainstay of cultivators so he uses that instead. Gremmy can't remember him and he'd be able to use his powers safely with little issue.Is erasing himself from his opponents memory Ji Ning's go to move?
Death on what level? From what I see its just regular death hax to spiritual beings, Ji can just res himself.What can Ji Ning do if Gremmy with a thought imagines his death?
Too headcanon to even vote on such an argument. You first have to prove Ji's existence is tied to Gremmy's ability which from what we see this ability has to be constantly applied otherwise it reverts meaning Ji could very well just come back to life.If a character can mindhax him, and make him imagine that he doesn't exist, then he's gone.
This also counters Gremmy winning from an unknown variable with the Visionary and memory hax.Primaltwin Ning already isn't in his memory. He and main body are the same person but considered different entities in mind, body and soul by even the laws of reality. As far as Gremmy knows, he killed Ning. PT Ning activating the ability would just keep that from ever forming considering its a continuous thing.
While I do want to know this as well, I will remind that his reincarnation isn't combat applicable. He can possess people though, so there's that if it isn't down to soul level.Death on what level? From what I see its just regular death hax to spiritual beings, Ji can just res himself.
Ah yes his ability is inconsistent lmao?as gremmy's imagination warps reality, and no his ability doesn't need to be constantly applied. as he stated with his meteorite, that even if he were to die, the meteorite is already a reality and isn't just going to disappear.
Did you read the manga or?Ah yes his ability is inconsistent lmao?
what are u even talking about? I'm talking about him needing to always imagine the thing in order to keep it going as reality. The meteorDid you read the manga or?
Do you even know from where his 6-a key comes from?
Because that's what he opens with...Wait, this guy's been in a prolonged fight outside of rubble and his own creations and were going with him opening with EE?
Wait, this guy's been in a prolonged fight outside of rubble and his own creations and were going with him opening with EE?
This whole argument is stupid and shows people didn't really understand Gremmy V Kenpachi.
Gremmy normally haxes people into oblivion with his more powerful things like EE. Gremmy didn't do this to Kenpachi only because Kenpachi through his brutish strength made Gremmy want to prove his strength. That's the entire narrative of their fight. There is no reason Gremmy wouldn't hax **** through things like EE, which he did to everyone but Kenpachi for plot specific reasons.
Its regular death haxWhile I do want to know this as well, I will remind that his reincarnation isn't combat applicable. He can possess people though, so there's that if it isn't down to soul level.
It's not really fair to use that fight as an argument for how Gremmy would actually fight, he wanted to unequivocally prove that he was completely superior to Kenpachi, he doesn't even know who Ji Ning is or have any reason to care about proving himself against him.Wait, this guy's been in a prolonged fight outside of rubble and his own creations and were going with him opening with EE?
All cultivators at this stage can do it to escape death.Its regular death hax
has Ji Ning actually possessed another? i don't know the full context but sounds like his talking about other Cultivators from the scan
All 1 other being apparently, in the case of EE?Because that's what he opens with...
He only fought kenpachi, whom he thought was a respectable opponent, and made a stage for etc.
The other beings, he just imagined out of existence, and death haxxed.
Anything special about the EE?It's not really fair to use that fight as an argument for how Gremmy would actually fight, he wanted to unequivocally prove that he was completely superior to Kenpachi, he doesn't even know who Ji Ning is or have any reason to care about proving himself against him.
Gremmy's first ever moves are death manip and EE, the order is debatable.
I just told you that he erased an abstract being out of existence with nonexistent physiology.Anything special about the EE.