GT goku vs Chou goku (GRACE)

[Coolboy6]

Both start in base and have access to all their forms, speed equalized, fight takes place in The tournament of power arena
GT:

Manga: 7
Inspired by this video

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Chou Goku one shots. GT Goku scales above Baseline 3-B, while Chou's 3-Bs are very close to 3-A

 

[Coolboy6]

Chou Goku one shots. GT Goku scales above Baseline 3-B, while Chou's 3-Bs are very close to 3-A

What about super 17/shadow dragon saga GT goku?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Still one shots. His only way would be to use the Universal spirit bomb, but other than that he cannot affect Chou Goku

 

[BluudyManikin777]

GT Goku would take this, because he’s superior to Super Manga Goku in base and in every non-divine super Saiyan form. If SM Goku transforms to SSJG or SSJB, it’s over for GT Goku. I’m giving this to GT Goku via base AP difference

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Actually Shadow Dragon Saga SSJ4 Goku can give a good match to Ultra Instinct Goku

 

[Coolboy6]

Also, how accurate would you say the video is?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

GT Goku would take this, because he’s superior to Super Manga Goku in base and in every non-divine super Saiyan form. If SM Goku transforms to SSJG or SSJB, it’s over for GT Goku. I’m giving this to GT Goku via base AP difference

Oh that's right. Base Chou Goku is 4-B.

If so the battle is likely a mismatch

 

[Coolboy6]

Oh that's right. Base Chou Goku is 4-B.

If so the battle is likely a mismatch

GT goku would likely hold back in character

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Actually Shadow Dragon Saga SSJ4 Goku can give a good match to Ultra Instinct Goku

Yeah this could be interesting. Especially since Goku no longer have stamina drain with UI anymore

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Also, how accurate would you say the video is?

I’d say the video isn’t accurate in Super’s base and super Saiyan form aspects, but in terms of every divine form, I’d say that’s likely what would happen

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Oh that's right. Base Chou Goku is 4-B.

If so the battle is likely a mismatch

Chou Goku still does have a win con though, he just has to be willing to use his divine transformations from the start, and GT Goku just stay in base

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Chou Goku still does have a win con though, he just has to be willing to use his divine transformations from the start, and GT Goku just stay in base

I guess. GT Goku likely won't take it too seriously since Base Goku would be so much weaker, while Chou Goku would sense how strong GT Goku is and transform immediately. GT Goku wouldn't know how strong Chou Goku is since he can't sense God Ki, so he wouldn't think to turn SSJ4 in time

 

[BluudyManikin777]

I guess. GT Goku likely won't take it too seriously since Base Goku would be so much weaker, while Chou Goku would sense how strong GT Goku is and transform immediately. GT Goku wouldn't know how strong Chou Goku is since he can't sense God Ki, so he wouldn't think to turn SSJ4 in time

Actually, because of this explanation I’m voting for Super Manga Goku

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Yeah I'm voting for Chou Goku as well

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Gt goku is like one multiplier away from 3-A and everyone in the super manga is 3-B+ so I am leaning towards GT goku.

 

[Coolboy6]

Counted

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Gt goku is like one multiplier away from 3-A and everyone in the super manga is 3-B+ so I am leaning towards GT goku.

None of the Super Manga characters are 3-B, they’re At least 3-B+.The argument stated above is a fairly good argument though. Super Goku is so weak in base, and he can see their difference in power, then he’ll transform into Super Saiyan God and be able to one shot GT Goku, since GT Goku will not be able to detect how strong Super Goku became exactly. GT Goku knows how much powerful he is in base compared to Super Goku’s base, that he wouldn’t even realize how exponentially powerful the SSJG transformation makes someone

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

How strong are the "at least 3-B+" characters? like GT goku is practically 3-A.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

How strong are the "at least 3-B+" characters? like GT goku is practically 3-A.

Only in SSJ4, and even then only after breaking his limits

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Well that's the strongest canon version so it's only fair and OP didn't specify what version.

 

[Coolboy6]

Well that's the strongest canon version so it's only fair and OP didn't specify what version.

Not sure which GT version is fairer though

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Well that's the strongest canon version so it's only fair and OP didn't specify what version.

Actually. He specified they start in Base and can power up to their strongest forms if they will

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Ok GT goku goes SSJ4 and wins right? But you did make a good point about GT goku not being able to sense super goku.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Ok GT goku goes SSJ4 and wins right? But you did make a good point about GT goku not being able to sense super goku.

They both start at base, so seeing that Chou Goku is so much weaker than him, he will not take it seriously and will hold back. However, Chou Goku would sense how strong GT Goku is and transform to SSG/SSB immediately, and due to GT Goku being unable to sense God ki, he wouldn't know how much stronger Chou Goku became, which would result in Chou Goku winning this

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I agree, super goku for reasons above.

 

[Naito-desu]

Voting manga goku fra

 

[Coolboy6]

counted

 

[sanicspood]

fodder version anime dbs goku fra

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Damn bruh, that was quick lol

 

[Thedoctor]

super goku slaps nobody in gt can touch super, I thought this debate was over as soon as goku shook the entire macrocosm in BOG

 

[BluudyManikin777]

super goku slaps nobody in gt can touch super, I thought this debate was over as soon as goku shook the entire macrocosm in BOG

SM UI Goku and Shadow Dragon Saga SSJ4 Goku are about the same level, but yeah, I agree SM Goku takes this

 

[Naito-desu]

That's anime Goku not manga goku like it is here

 

[BluudyManikin777]

This thread was shorter than I thought, I was hoping it would turn out to be more interesting and people could go more in-depth, but what’s done is done I guess

 

[sanicspood]

bump

 

[Rez]

Vote for Chou Goku

 

[Coolboy6]

Counted, and now it is the time for the grace

 

[VinnyXD]

Tbh wouldn't Super God Goku hold back as well?

 

[Rez]

Tbh wouldn't Super God Goku hold back as well?

In the beginning sure but after he senses gt goku's ki he will go Blue at that point gt goku can't sence ssb goku's ki

 

[VinnyXD]

In the beginning sure but after he senses gt goku's ki he will go Blue at that point gt goku can't sence ssb goku's ki

I mean even if he goes blue or red. He'll hold back in that state. Which would give GT time to go SSJ4