Hakai is 4D

[PaChi2]

Toppo's hakai energy clashing with Vegeta'sLow 2-C energy.

At this point Vegeta is using a Low 2-C attack "too strong for him to destroy". If Toppo couldnt hakai low 2-C stuff he wouldnt be able to hakai any of vegeta's attack (in fact, no God of Destruction would be able to do it and Belmod told him explicitly to hakai his attacks).

what happens when you are hit with a hakai ball.

Hakaing 4D energy is enough proof that hakai can affect 4D objects.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

How is that energy 4-D instead of just Low 2-C in power...?

 

[Andytrenom]

Does energy have spatial dimensions? I remember hearing that it didn't.

 

[PaChi2]

How is that energy 4-D instead of just Low 2-C in power...?

Cuz energy with Low 2-C power is 4D energy (thinks).

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

No? Someone who can do Low 2-C attacks with their physical attacks isn't necessarily 4-D. Same goes for energy blasts.

 

[AguilaR101]

Low 2-C is just lower cap for 4-D power there is, it all seems like semantics to me tbh.

Hakai should affect anyone who is low 2-C since there is no reason to not scale abilities to the level of power the characters have shown to have (which i assume is the point this thread is trying to prove)

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Except that's not how it works. No characters beyond Zamasu in Dragon Ball are 4-D. No reason to assume Hakai is 4-D.

 

[Kaltias]

Leaving this here given that it's pretty much the same topic

 

[AKM sama]

The point PaChi is making is that Vegeta is a 3D character with 4D powers and hakai can erase his energy blasts.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Vegeta's Ki being 4-D because it's used for Low 2-C feats is the same as saying a character is 4-D for punching to do Low 2-C feats. That's not how it works. It's still just 4-D power and not actually being 4-D.

 

[AguilaR101]

Because you're conflating 4-D as a state of being with the attack potency to bust a baseline 4-D structure which is a single space-time continum is by definition.

Low 2-C attacks are baseline 4-D in power, this doesn't in any way require the character to physically have a 4-D body.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

No one's saying that Hakai won't work on a Low 2-C being. We're saying that Hakai won't work on beings who are actually 4-D (instead of just 3-D with 4-D power) because it has never shown the ability to affect 4-D beings or structures.

And no, Ki isn't 4-D via doing a Low 2-C feat.

 

[AKM sama]

"It doesn't matter if Beerus is 3D or 4D or has erased people or timelines.

He is Low 2-C. His power is on that scale. His power and all his techniques come from his Ki, including that Hakai ability.

Ergo, it can erase Low 2-C people.

Getting overly caught up in meaningless discussions shouldn't be a thing for something so simple."

Anyway I agree with ^Matt's comment here.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Actually, Beerus can't destroy a timeline because his range is only universal. He is Low 2-C via scaling.

 

[AKM sama]

No one's saying that Hakai won't work on a Low 2-C being. We're saying that Hakai won't work on beings who are actually 4-D (instead of just 3-D with 4-D power) because it has never shown the ability to affect 4-D beings or structures.
And no, Ki isn't 4-D via doing a Low 2-C feat.

Any attack which has Low 2-C potency can hurt a 4D being tho, despite the attacker not being 4D. Same goes for hakai, it's shown to work against Low 2-C energy which can hurt a 4D being.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

How is that energy 4-D instead of just Low 2-C in power...?

I am with Saikou.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Except that Hakai is hax, not AP. It can erase 3-D matter which just so happens to be strong enough to take 4-D attacks, but hasn't shown the same for 4-D matter itself.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Anyways, I agree with Saikou.

 

[DMB_1]

I agree with Saikou.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Another victory for monster girls.

 

[Andytrenom]

I Agree with Saikou just because he's Saikou

 

[AKM sama]

He's not The Lewd King for no reaso

 

[DMB_1]

R.I.P. the Ragnalordmon match the

 

[PaChi2]

Except that Hakai is hax, not AP. It can erase 3-D matter which just so happens to be strong enough to take 4-D attacks, but hasn't shown the same for 4-D matter itself.

I was talking about the hakai energy balls.

The video is about Toppo and his energy balls.

 

[PaChi2]

Vegeta's Ki being 4-D because it's used for Low 2-C feats is the same as saying a character is 4-D for punching to do Low 2-C feats. That's not how it works. It's still just 4-D power and not actually being 4-D.

Im not talking about vegeta being 4D.

And why isnt Ki 4D for doing a 4D feat.

Vegeta had 4D power. And what's his power? Ki. You need to try harder to convince me that someone with Low 2-C potency doesnt use 4D energy.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Actually, Beerus can't destroy a timeline because his range is only universal. He is Low 2-C via scaling.

They may have 4D power but they can't destroy a space-time continuum, a 4D construct.