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Halo General Discussion Thread

Actually forerunner weapons damage with combinations of heat and force, rather than just heat

The Suppressor is a portable rapid-fire infantry weapon that ejects high-velocity target-seeking Hardlight shards as its primary projectiles. These shards do damage through a mix of kinetic and thermal effects and appear to be intended to use against Flood biomass.

(Halo, Spartan Field Manual, p.191)

These weapons damaged with a combination of heat and force, steralizing all matter they come into contact with. Impossibly Sharp, the Lightblade also have pratically applications for human industry...

(Halo Spartan Field Manual, p.185)
 
James11221 said:
Actually forerunner weapons damage with combinations of heat and force, rather than just heat

The Suppressor is a portable rapid-fire infantry weapon that ejects high-velocity target-seeking Hardlight shards as its primary projectiles. These shards do damage through a mix of kinetic and thermal effects and appear to be intended to use against Flood biomass.

(Halo, Spartan Field Manual, p.191)

These weapons damaged with a combination of heat and force, steralizing all matter they come into contact with. Impossibly Sharp, the Lightblade also have pratically applications for human industry...

(Halo Spartan Field Manual, p.185)
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No one said they don't have force, also it depends which weapons you are talking about. It's just there is no proof most of them such as Incineration Cannon, Binary Rifle, or Scattershot generate as many Joules of overpressure as they do joules of thermal energy. Demonstratively, Suppressor only has evidence it's generating like 9-C amounts of overpressure; same as regular bullets. If you take away the "Anti-matter particles that vaporize/ionize targets" the majority of what's left (The 0.5 * mass * velocity^2 format) is just the KE velocity of regular bullets for most of them.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
No one said they don't have force, also it depends which weapons you are talking about. It's just there is no proof most of them such as Incineration Cannon, Binary Rifle, or Scattershot generate as many Joules of overpressure as they do joules of thermal energy. Demonstratively, Suppressor only has evidence it's generating like 9-C amounts of overpressure; same as regular bullets. If you take away the "Anti-matter particles that vaporize/ionize targets" the majority of what's left (The 0.5 * mass * velocity^2 format) is just the KE velocity of regular bullets for most of them.
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I meant they should have equal kinetic energy in them for example ,
The Incineration Cannon, for instance, is noted to be capable of toppling towers as well as incinerating targets:

"Though the Flood has receded, the Created who now control the Prometheans are still in need of weapons that can topple towers, bring down armored beasts of war, and incinerate enemy champions beyond any possibility of recovery."

"One of the first Incineration Cannons ever made, the River’s core had been built and refined over decades by an unknown Promethean who served with distinction and honor in dozens of containment operations. The cannon's harmonious energies burned uncounted fetid burrows to ash and toppled grand spore towers dedicated to the parasite. In the dead hands of a Knight the River of Light’s true potential could never be unlocked, but the artifact’s heart knows its name and purpose, and hungers to be remembered once more by warriors whose hearts pump with life and limbs move with purpose and intent."

Moreover, by its nature it's kinetic-based, given that they're antimatter particles that convert matter into pure energy that in turn causes a huge explosion:

"An unwelcome sight to any enemy of the Ecumene, the incineration cannon is a five-barreled, shoulder-mounted munitions launcher that fires a dense concentration Of explosive antiparticles in a tightly helixed stream, generating a volatile detonation on impact."
Also suppressors definitely are more powerful than regular bullets
 
James11221 said:
I meant they should have equal kinetic energy in them for example ,
The Incineration Cannon, for instance, is noted to be capable of toppling towers as well as incinerating targets:

"Though the Flood has receded, the Created who now control the Prometheans are still in need of weapons that can topple towers, bring down armored beasts of war, and incinerate enemy champions beyond any possibility of recovery."

"One of the first Incineration Cannons ever made, the River’s core had been built and refined over decades by an unknown Promethean who served with distinction and honor in dozens of containment operations. The cannon's harmonious energies burned uncounted fetid burrows to ash and toppled grand spore towers dedicated to the parasite. In the dead hands of a Knight the River of Light’s true potential could never be unlocked, but the artifact’s heart knows its name and purpose, and hungers to be remembered once more by warriors whose hearts pump with life and limbs move with purpose and intent."

Moreover, by its nature it's kinetic-based, given that they're antimatter particles that convert matter into pure energy that in turn causes a huge explosion:

"An unwelcome sight to any enemy of the Ecumene, the incineration cannon is a five-barreled, shoulder-mounted munitions launcher that fires a dense concentration Of explosive antiparticles in a tightly helixed stream, generating a volatile detonation on impact."
Also suppressors definitely are more powerful than regular bullets
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None of that proves anything. It's all repeats of stuff we already know, that Incineration Cannons in groups bring down "Spore Towers" or "Graveminds." But that is mostly just vaporization, and vaporization is done because the energy is mostly heat. Also, we only know that there are some anti-matter particles in them, we don't know how much of it is antimatter. Also, antimatter doesn't actually generate much overpressure, it's mainly designed to existence erase matter. In fact, the Burn to ashes is within the realm of proving my point.

Thermal energy is the KE of particles, but it doesn't mean a sizable percentage is overpressure. Whenever a human urinates or defecates, they produce well over 600 Kilojoules of thermal energy (Which there's more Joules in that than how much overpressure various hand grenades generate upon exploding), but that doesn't mean it's generating anywhere near as much overpressure. Not even if someone has "Explosive diarrhea" has evidence or consistency of them withstanding a 9-B hand grenade. If Incineration Cannon was truly overpressure, the explosion would be much larger than what we demonstratively see anywhere for that matter. And likewise, the fact that Forerunner/Promethean weapons are meant to be used on large fleshy targets and tend to do much less damage than mechanical targets proves this; otherwise they'd be one shotting and nuking much larger structures like even the Medium Fusion nukes (Which are 15 Kilotons) basically one-shotted the equivalent of several thousand Wraiths and dozens of Scarabs.

The average shot of Suppressors still does comparable damage to the average Assault Rifle rounds; except for when fired on foes who are already dead and the particles eventually incinerate the body. In terms of thermal energy yield, yes there is much more than regular bullets. But in terms of the mass, velocity, firing range comparisons, the ballistics of suppressors are demonstratively within realms of Covenant Carbines and UNSC MA Assault Rifle series...
 
James11221 said:
Ap ≠ Dc
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Not the point, the difference is a lot of other verses have things like magic or Ki Control to control energy so that larger scale AP levels to be harness with much smaller AoE. Halo does not, in fact, the mere existence of MFDD proves my point. If Incineration Cannon truly had overpressure to match the thermal energy output, it would have the blast radius to match. Case and point.

Edit: In general, the classic "Ap ≠ Dc" is a good argument when talking Ki Control, Magic users, or even just characters who are highly skilled melee attack fighters. But not for firearms and manmade explosives (Especially if the lack supernatural properties)
 
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Not sure how active Halo supporters are on the wiki, but i made this crt;

vsbattles.com

Halo: The Last Arbiter of The Covenant (Simple Rework)

New Profile; https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Comiphorous/Arbiterthegoat Old profile; https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Arbiter_(Thel_%27Vadam)?diff=prev&oldid=9388561 Changes; References, many needed references. Removed mentions of weapons he doesn't have as equipment from his AP...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com

Might as well post it here, as i plan to revamp more profiles in the future. (Mostly covenant profiles due to their profiles generally being more haxxy that lack references)
 
Where does the Class 10 Lifting Strength in the profiles come from? Does it come from Cal-141's "can deadlift at least 5 tonnes"?

If so, where does that feat come from? It's been in Cal's profile since its creation.
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
Thanks
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Based off what i found, it should be in the Halo Legends short film "The Babysitter". It's basically Cal's only appearance in the series so... should be there!

I have no idea how to access this short film, but you have your origin. someone will just have to track down a way to watch it.
 
Comiphorous said:
Based off what i found, it should be in the Halo Legends short film "The Babysitter". It's basically Cal's only appearance in the series so... should be there!

I have no idea how to access this short film, but you have your origin. someone will just have to track down a way to watch it.
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Seen it, this is all she did Lifting Strength wise:

• She drags a occupied drop pod through mud then throws it several meters with one arm

• She manages to stop a two handed hammer strike from a Brute via grabbing the shaft with one arm

• She's able to do a jump flip over said Brute
 
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OneBleachHurricane said:


Seen it, this is all she did Lifting Strength wise:

• She drags a occupied drop pod through mud then throws it several meters with one arm

• She manages to stop a two handed hammer strike from a Brute via grabbing the shaft with one arm

• She's able to do a jump flip over said Brute
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Interesting. I wonder where the 5 tonne thing came from.

Worst case if i can't find anything, someone should calc Arbiter's weapon bend feat, considering it seems fairly impressive. Worst case, you downgrade the whole verse to Class 5.
 
Looking through the weapon profiles, a lot of the abilities and scans seem to be directly copied from the halo wiki, although when i looked for scans on where these statements came from i couldn't find anything. (which is unfortunate, since they're pretty awesome sounding feats for it's heat)

Does anyone know where the statements regarding being able to flash vaporize bodily fluids and such on plasma weapon profiles come from? The best i found was a Banshee's shots being able to flash-fry a warthog's tires and causing blisters across a guy's back. If not, do plasma weapon heat have any reason to scale to each other? Because the next best thing is Energy Sword's heat being able to go through Titanium-A plating. (which would be like 3,000 F)
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
This is what Halopedia.org says about the Plasma Rifle

Body fluids would be subjected to flash vaporization, inducing a strain or a shock on the body after impact - Halo: The Flood, page 22
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I didn't find anything of the bodily fluids thing, but i did find that plasma weapons are able to melt steel. (This makes plasma weapons that aren't energy swords at minimum 2600 F, and this should more or less scale to all plasma weapons)
 
Comiphorous said:
Been using this, very useful. Haven't found anything to get my hands on the guide books though.
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Checked the book and checked Halopedia Plasma rifle page again:
Body fluids would be subjected to flash vaporization, inducing a strain or a shock on the body after impact - Halo: The Flood, page 22
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This is basically the closest thing I could find that correlates with "inducing a strain or a shock on the body after impact" in the novel
He heard the whine of plasma rifle fire, then felt something punch him in the
chest. His vision blurred, and he groped to feel the wound. His hands came
away sticky with blood.It doesn’t hurt, he thought.It should hurt, shouldn’t
it?
He felt disoriented, confused. He could see a flurry of movement, as
armored figures swarmed into the observation theater. He ignored them and
focused on his wife’s picture—smeared with his own blood—which had
somehow fallen to the deckplates. He fell to his knees and scrambled for the
photograph, his hands shaking.
His field of vision narrowed as he struggled to reach the discarded photo. It
was only inches away now, but the distance felt like miles. He’d never been
so tired. His wife’s name echoed in his mind.

This means Halopedia either adds "filler" to their pages or linked the wrong source
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
Checked the book and checked Halopedia Plasma rifle page again:


This is basically the closest thing I could find that correlates with "inducing a strain or a shock on the body after impact" in the novel
He heard the whine of plasma rifle fire, then felt something punch him in the
chest. His vision blurred, and he groped to feel the wound. His hands came
away sticky with blood.It doesn’t hurt, he thought.It should hurt, shouldn’t
it?
He felt disoriented, confused. He could see a flurry of movement, as
armored figures swarmed into the observation theater. He ignored them and
focused on his wife’s picture—smeared with his own blood—which had
somehow fallen to the deckplates. He fell to his knees and scrambled for the
photograph, his hands shaking.
His field of vision narrowed as he struggled to reach the discarded photo. It
was only inches away now, but the distance felt like miles. He’d never been
so tired. His wife’s name echoed in his mind.

This means Halopedia either adds "filler" to their pages or linked the wrong source
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probably filler. They technically aren't wrong it does induce shock because Sam got a gut full of 2000 degree plasma.
 

Decided i'd start doing Arbiter's most notable victim (Was going to do some covenant weapons but they're a pain in the ass)

Current changes;
  • Removing mentions of weapons they simply don't have access to (Meaning they're 9-C to 9-B with weaponry)
  • Removed scaling to Master Chief's movement speed, now scaling them to their own SPARTAN-III feats of moving at 30 KPH. (they keep the combat speed though)
  • Removed Noble Team from the gallery since It's noble six's profile, not noble team's profile lol.
 
Comiphorous said:

Decided i'd start doing Arbiter's most notable victim (Was going to do some covenant weapons but they're a pain in the ass)

Current changes;
  • Removing mentions of weapons they simply don't have access to (Meaning they're 9-C to 9-B with weaponry)
  • Removed scaling to Master Chief's movement speed, now scaling them to their own SPARTAN-III feats of moving at 30 KPH. (they keep the combat speed though)
  • Removed Noble Team from the gallery since It's noble six's profile, not noble team's profile lol.
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Most probably good idea but a few things.

Yeah, downgrades for his without Mjolnir seem reasonable, but with Mjolnir should still have similar to the Mark V stats. He should still have Superhuman movement speed with Mjolnir. Looks like a Key split wasn't given on his speed section.

We usually give Unknown not N/A

"Hyper Lethal" was actually updated as a title all Spartans are given, so it's really nothing that gives Noble Six or Master Chief anything that has them standout anymore.

Punctuation errors to be done, but so far looking like an effort for improvement.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Yeah, downgrades for his without Mjolnir seem reasonable, but with Mjolnir should still have similar to the Mark V stats. He should still have Superhuman movement speed with Mjolnir. Looks like a Key split wasn't given on his speed section.
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Yeah i'm not sure what i'm gonna do with his without Mjolnir key. on the original profile it's all "should be comparable to master chief" even though they went through entirely different augmentations, since SPARTAN-IIIs were meant to be less intrusive augments.

Out of Mjolnir might just get hit with one billion unknown stats.
DarkDragonMedeus said:
We usually give Unknown not N/A
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Placeholder for when i find suitable replacement feats, but i don't think SPARTAN-IIIs have much content with them out of the armor due to their scarcity.
DarkDragonMedeus said:
"Hyper Lethal" was actually updated as a title all Spartans are given, so it's really nothing that gives Noble Six or Master Chief anything that has them standout anymore.
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Lowk dumb cuz that was like Noble's big thing in the trailer, but yeah.
 
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