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I am uncertain. The focus of this discussion seems too split up for that purpose to me.Is it really necessary though? This thread could solve the problem.
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I am uncertain. The focus of this discussion seems too split up for that purpose to me.Is it really necessary though? This thread could solve the problem.
Does somebody else here have suggestions in that regard? Help would be appreciated.It has been accepted and applied, now all that's left is make a Wiki Management thread over updating the pages that are affected by this change.
Necro bump, but it seems like no one's applied the accepted changes to the affected profiles yet.It has been accepted and applied, now all that's left is make a Wiki Management thread over updating the pages that are affected by this change.
uhhhh, that limitation IS a weakness of said ability tho. At least, within that specific verse. Not that it would apply to every other verse as a standard. Another case-by-case basis approach, methinks.I already say what i think about scaling of hax resistance when it come with characters who possess the same UES, so i will simply leave a link here.
Also, i don't agree with consider hax resistance done via raw power as a weakness, but rather it should be treated just as a limitation of such ability.
I mean hax potency its a thing, two different characters having the same ability should never be treated as having equally strong hax, as hax can exist on different levels.uhhhh, that limitation IS a weakness of said ability tho. At least, within that specific verse. Not that it would apply to every other verse as a standard.
Oooooooooooh. I see. Okay then.I mean hax potency its a thing, two different characters having the same ability should never be treated as having equally strong hax, as hax can exist on different levels.
Example, Molecule Man's Trasmutation >>>> Edward Elric's Trasmutation, no matter if both can bypass durability.
I mean that only to show that different characters having the same ability are not necessarily equally haxed.NGL tho, that's a weird comparison to make, Molecule Man is from Marvel, Edward Elric is from FMAB. And Molecule Man's hax >>>>>> because he's got higher-dimensional AP.
What about the Gods from Saint Seiya? The latter's hax resistances isn't based on them scaling above Bronze, Silver and Gold Saints.Maybe it's just because I don't deal with Dragon Ball or One Piece, but I don't remember any instance of a character scaling to someone else's hax resistance.
OK so basically from what I can see in the changes applied by Damage in the Resistance page last April based on the fact that this thread was accepted...Can you remind me about the discussion and conclusions here please KLOL?
I think a better example involving hax resistance would be Hakai from Dragon Ball or Shambles from One Piece.2. Hax resistance would be dealt in a similar way, if a character can withstand hax with a specific amount of energy from said energy source via raw strength (Assuming it is confirmed to be that way), then those with higher energy levels of the same exact energy type would also be able to resist (Like the One Piece Gomu-Gomu example in the Resistance page explains, where wielders of the same fruit would share the same exact resistances). This is of course, assuming that they use the same exact energy type/source, this wouldn't apply to characters using different energy sources (For example, Odin-Force's resistances would not be cross-scalable to something like Dr. Strange's magic unless there are statements/showings for it).
Me too but I thought using the example on the Resistance page would be more uncontroversial so I went with the safe side.I think a better example involving hax resistance would be Hakai from Dragon Ball or Shambles from One Piece.
So uh, would something like resistance to Hakai in Dragon Ball work in that regard? Where higher power level (Which also equates to higher strength level) also results in greater resistance, since the power level is based on ki?If it is made clear that their resistance is solely down to the quantity of energy they're wielding (whatever form/name that energy has), then it makes sense.
@DontTalkDT @Antoniofer @Dino_Ranger_Black @KingTempest @Theglassman12 @Planck69 @AKM sama @Moritzva @Mr._Bambu @LordGriffin1000 @DarkDragonMedeus @Ogbunabali @WokistanI believe Stefano wanted to add some new additional points regarding universal energy systems, with regards to the potency of hax-based abilities and hax resistance
1. Hax potency under a universal energy system would have to be determined on a case-by-case basis, one would have to prove that one's hax potency is connected to/dependant on the user's own physical power level, and that the stronger the user, the stronger their hax.
2. Hax resistance would be dealt in a similar way, if a character can withstand hax with a specific amount of energy from said energy source via raw strength (Assuming it is confirmed to be that way), then those with higher energy levels of the same exact energy type would also be able to resist (Like the One Piece Gomu-Gomu example in the Resistance page explains, where wielders of the same fruit would share the same exact resistances). This is of course, assuming that they use the same exact energy type/source, this wouldn't apply to characters using different energy sources (For example, Odin-Force's resistances would not be cross-scalable to something like Dr. Strange's magic unless there are statements/showings for it).
So uh, would something like resistance to Hakai in Dragon Ball work in that regard? Where higher power level (Which also equates to higher strength level) also results in greater resistance, since the power level is based on ki?
Guess that'll need a CRT then.Can't speak for specific cases. Would need to see the evidence for it on a case-by-case basis.
If I'm understanding the points presented, then I agree with these revisions. Different types of hax shouldn't automatically scale, but resistances to specific types (where the resistance results from the UES) seems fine.Thank you for the evaluation Damage.
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What do you think about this?
So I'm guessing you agree with Stefano's points?If I'm understanding the points presented, then I agree with these revisions. Different types of hax shouldn't automatically scale, but resistances to specific types (where the resistance results from the UES) seems fine.
It looks alright to me.Thank you for the evaluation Damage.
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What do you think about this?
Aye, yeahSo I'm guessing you agree with Stefano's points?
Awesome.Aye, yeah
Okay, so whaddya think about the criteria below that Stefano recommended?Based on the OP, I agree
Unless directly stated, Resistances shouldn't be scaled via power
I believe Stefano wanted to add some new additional points regarding universal energy systems, with regards to the potency of hax-based abilities and hax resistance
1. Hax potency under a universal energy system would have to be determined on a case-by-case basis, one would have to prove that one's hax potency is connected to/dependant on the user's own physical power level, and that the stronger the user, the stronger their hax.
2. Hax resistance would be dealt in a similar way, if a character can withstand hax with a specific amount of energy from said energy source via raw strength (Assuming it is confirmed to be that way), then those with higher energy levels of the same exact energy type would also be able to resist (Like the One Piece Gomu-Gomu example in the Resistance page explains, where wielders of the same fruit would share the same exact resistances. Or prolly Hakai from Dragon Ball, which is resisted by people with a high-enough power level who by tandem also have a high-enough ki level, and people stronger than them would prolly resist since they have higher power levels which also equates to higher ki levels). This is of course, assuming that they use the same exact energy type/source, this wouldn't apply to characters using different energy sources (For example, Odin-Force's resistances would not be cross-scalable to something like Dr. Strange's magic unless there are statements/showings for it).
Aye, yeah
I made a few adjustments based on what Stefano told me, I added another example.It looks alright to me.
@Mr._Bambu @LordGriffin1000 @DemonGodMitchAubin @Damage3245I made a few adjustments based on what Stefano told me, I added another example.
Here are the current suggestions.I believe Stefano wanted to add some new additional points regarding universal energy systems, with regards to the potency of hax-based abilities and hax resistance
1. Hax potency under a universal energy system would have to be determined on a case-by-case basis, one would have to prove that one's hax potency is connected to/dependant on the user's own physical power level, and that the stronger the user, the stronger their hax.
2. Hax resistance would be dealt in a similar way, if a character can withstand hax with a specific amount of energy from said energy source via raw strength (Assuming it is confirmed to be that way), then those with higher energy levels of the same exact energy type would also be able to resist (Like the One Piece Gomu-Gomu example in the Resistance page explains, where wielders of the same fruit would share the same exact resistances. Or prolly Hakai from Dragon Ball, which is resisted by people with a high-enough power level who by tandem also have a high-enough ki level, and people stronger than them would prolly resist since they have higher power levels which also equates to higher ki levels). This is of course, assuming that they use the same exact energy type/source, this wouldn't apply to characters using different energy sources (For example, Odin-Force's resistances would not be cross-scalable to something like Dr. Strange's magic unless there are statements/showings for it).
Here are the current issues that we need to make a decision about.I believe Stefano wanted to add some new additional points regarding universal energy systems, with regards to the potency of hax-based abilities and hax resistance
1. Hax potency under a universal energy system would have to be determined on a case-by-case basis, one would have to prove that one's hax potency is connected to/dependant on the user's own physical power level, and that the stronger the user, the stronger their hax.
2. Hax resistance would be dealt in a similar way, if a character can withstand hax with a specific amount of energy from said energy source via raw strength (Assuming it is confirmed to be that way), then those with higher energy levels of the same exact energy type would also be able to resist (Like the One Piece Gomu-Gomu example in the Resistance page explains, where wielders of the same fruit would share the same exact resistances. Or prolly Hakai from Dragon Ball, which is resisted by people with a high-enough power level who by tandem also have a high-enough ki level, and people stronger than them would prolly resist since they have higher power levels which also equates to higher ki levels). This is of course, assuming that they use the same exact energy type/source, this wouldn't apply to characters using different energy sources (For example, Odin-Force's resistances would not be cross-scalable to something like Dr. Strange's magic unless there are statements/showings for it).