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Hazbin Hotel CRT: Sinner Upgrade + Vox and Alastor rivalry update

RealDuker98 said:
In Episode 4 of Season 2, Husk and Nifty are able to hold their own against Valentino and Velvette with Husk implying that this is not their first time.

This should realistically put Sinners in Multi-City Block.
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Alastor is weakened. His powers flat out do not work on time and everytime he’s slightly hit or staggered he bleeds from his mouth.

Husk could be referring to alastor always being antagonistic to them. Doesn’t specifically mean that alastor high diffed them. Also the fact that alastor is so pressed at losing to Adam implies it’s his first time he’s felt weak and his contract was a scam meaning all the times alastor fought vox could have been an easy win
RealDuker98 said:
However, Alastor verbatim says that he was victorious. Which also makes this match-up's result wrong but that's besides the point.
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Agree. Matchup is wrong
 
I will personally be making this CRT when the season finishes, which will include adding a second Alastor key and giving Vox an actual ******* profile, but that is AFTER we have all the information, not rushing because we want to glaze Alastor.
 
RealDuker98 said:
In Episode 4 of Season 2, Husk and Nifty are able to hold their own against Valentino and Velvette with Husk implying that this is not their first time.

This should realistically put Sinners in Multi-City Block.
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Velvette and Valentino do currently scale to Multi-City Block level, though there's a CRT currently downgrading everyone below Alastor to Just City Block level+ so I don't agree.
RealDuker98 said:
We currently have Vox beating Alastor in the ancient past.

However, Alastor verbatim says that he was victorious. Which also makes this match-up's result wrong but that's besides the point.
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Agreed.
 
Mythic381 said:
Velvette and Valentino do currently scale to Multi-City Block level, though there's a CRT currently downgrading everyone below Alastor to Just City Block level+ so I don't agree.
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Those 2 held their own against Al though?
 
DaReaperMan said:
I will personally be making this CRT when the season finishes, which will include adding a second Alastor key and giving Vox an actual ******* profile, but that is AFTER we have all the information, not rushing because we want to glaze Alastor.
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I mean what exactly will change about this in the next 4 episodes?

Husk and Nifty can hold their own against overlords and Alastor verbatim said he beat Vox. Doubt these 2 pieces of info will really change,
 
RealDuker98 said:
I mean what exactly will change about this in the next 4 episodes?

Husk and Nifty can hold their own against overlords and Alastor verbatim said he beat Vox. Doubt these 2 pieces of info will really change,
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And what about the rest of their profiles, mate? how much more hax and feats will they all get?

I already have to completely overhaul Vox's profile thanks to him ACTUALLY FIGHTING ON SCREEN, so... yeah. A lot has to change, and a rushed CRT doesn't help at all.
 
DaReaperMan said:
And what about the rest of their profiles, mate? how much more hax and feats will they all get?

I already have to completely overhaul Vox's profile thanks to him ACTUALLY FIGHTING ON SCREEN, so... yeah. A lot has to change, and a rushed CRT doesn't help at all.
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Yk you can do that one by one right? Plus it's not like you're the only one who'll be editing his profile.
 
RealDuker98 said:
Those 2 held their own against Al though?
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Weakened Alastor
RealDuker98 said:
Sure but that dude tanked hits from Vox who fought a full power Al.
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We don't know how their fight actually went, so we can't assume much that Vox actually fully scales to him, considering he was scared asf from Alastor, so he's logically a lot weaker, especially when a struggling Vox needed help from the Vees, in which 2 non-overlords managed to keep up with them.
 
RealDuker98 said:
Sure but that dude tanked hits from Vox who fought a full power Al.
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Vox who also would also heavily downscale, because A) He ******* lost, and B) Alastor even after being weakened in STILL called the strongest sinner.

Husk being weaker than Alastor is straight up uncontestable... and he's my favorite character so if I was to be biased towards anyone it's Husk.
RealDuker98 said:
Yk you can do that one by one right? Plus it's not like you're the only one who'll be editing his profile.
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And you know that we waited until Season 1 was over before doing any revisions right?

Unless you are willing to sandbox and rework/create the following profiles, I recommend just... waiting.
  • Vox
  • Valentino
  • Velvette
  • Husk
  • Nifty
  • Alastor
So, are you ready to redo six profiles that could change as soon as a few days from now?
 
Also I'd like to mention Husk and Niffty in he whole fight don't actually physically harm Valentino or Velvette, the closest is Niffty throwing Husk at Velvette, but she's in no way shown to be hurt or harmed.
 
Mythic381 said:
How does that make sense? If a weakened Alastor could hit Vox, why would Vox be able to hit a full powered Alastor? That logic makes no sense
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You're expecting that Alastor ever went all out, which there is no proof of.
Mythic381 said:
This is NOT being "pissed."
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Not pissed, yes. But that's not being scared either. He's just annoyed and sad because he couldn't stick it to him.
 
MrTayman616 said:
You're expecting that Alastor ever went all out, which there is no proof of.
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Read again, I said their logic makes no sense, not that it actually happened or that it didn't happen.
MrTayman616 said:
That's not being scared either. He's just annoyed and sad because he couldn't stick it to him.
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He is literally looking terrified when he's looking at the camera, followed by him shouting ****, he is clearly scared.
 
Mythic381 said:
Read again, I said their logic makes no sense, not that it actually happened or that it didn't happen.
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Maybe i misread, but it doesn't change the fact that Vox doesn't scale to it.
Mythic381 said:
He is literally looking terrified when he's looking at the camera, followed by him shouting ****, he is clearly scared.
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Do you know what "scared" means?

He's obviously just annoyed. He's swearing because he couldn't stick it to him. He tried to show him who's the "boss" but Alastor outplayed him in the song.
 
MrTayman616 said:
Maybe i misread, but it doesn't change the fact that Vox doesn't scale to it.
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Never agreed to it, heck I said quite the opposite:
Mythic381 said:
We don't know how their fight actually went, so we can't assume much that Vox actually fully scales to him, considering he was scared asf from Alastor, so he's logically a lot weaker, especially when a struggling Vox needed help from the Vees, in which 2 non-overlords managed to keep up with them.
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MrTayman616 said:
Do you know what "scared" means?

He's obviously just annoyed. He's swearing because he couldn't stick it to him. He tried to show him who's the "boss" but Alastor outplayed him in the song.
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And this look somehow doesn't imply literal fear?
 
MrTayman616 said:
No? How do you even see that in that context?
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How do I see it in the context? Let's see: Strongest Sinner, terrifying Overlord who tortures people and broadcasts their screams, threatens a TV overlord by verbatim saying:

Let's begin, I'm gonna make you wish that I'd stayed gone, Tune on in when I'm done, Your status quo will know its race is run

Oh, this will be fun.

While slowly transforming into a monstrosity and followed by a maniacal laugh...
 
Mythic381 said:
How do I see it in the context? Let's see: Strongest Sinner, terrifying Overlord who tortures people and broadcasts their screams, threatens a TV overlord by verbatim saying:

Let's begin, I'm gonna make you wish that I'd stayed gone, Tune on in when I'm done, Your status quo will know its race is run

Oh, this will be fun.

While slowly transforming into a monstrosity and followed by a maniacal laugh...
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And Vox, the weakest character in the series who's three years old who never seen a demon and meeting Alastor first time, right?

Vox wanted to stick it to Alastor after learning that he came back, but Alastor outplayed him and is the one who finished the song. Vox challenged and failed miserably.

There is no hint of "being scared" there at all.
 
Yeah, weakened Al is still stated to be the strongest Sinner and went relatively decent with Vox, went 1v3’d against Vees WHILE being also weakened from Аngelic wound. Vox sh*t in his pants from full power Alastor’s threat. Make 2+2.

If y’all are still arguing that Vox compares to this guy then I’ll happily give you the title of VoxTech’s worker of the month, have a good day.

As for 8-A stuff, then it’s stupid. Characters are 8-B+, Vees get upscaled via being Overlords and main cast becomes 8-A due to holding their own against them. Sounds very circular, don’t you think? You can’t take your cake and eat it.
 
MrTayman616 said:
Regardless, i'm right. Vox isn't scared there, not at all.
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That’s a very well-thought and well-elaborated argument with evidence so overwhelming in both quality and quantity that I shall immediately cease all of my current possible and impossible disagreements and concede this second.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
That’s a very well-thought and well-elaborated argument with evidence so overwhelming in both quality and quantity that I shall immediately cease all of my current possible and impossible disagreements and concede this second.
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You are like Sans, completely genius at reading faces, except that it’s reverse.
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Learned from the best. (Not to mention, i already texted everything before, just didn't want to repeat.)
 
I do think we should wait before doing revisions until the season's end (makes things so much more straightforward). But for things of note another thing I noticed from the newest episodes is that Alastor does say that he thought Vox was approaching his level before he asked for help.

Pretty solid supporting evidence for downscaling considering Vox's massive climb after Alastor's disappearance and several upgrades made for himself.
 
Detective_Blizzard said:
But for things of note another thing I noticed from the newest episodes is that Alastor does say that he thought Vox was approaching his level before he asked for help.
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What is the exact wording? Approaching something does not mean you are already near it. You may be raising from $1 to $50 in two days, while I'm stuck on $200, but I still have way more money than you, even though you are "approaching" my level.

My suspicion stems from how weakened Alastor is portrayed to his Season 1 self yet is still strongest Sinner.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
What is the exact wording?
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Vox: So, I've been thinking, Alastor, with your incredible power and my massive influence, we would be unstoppable. Radio and video! Me and you, we could rule Hell, together, as partners!
Alastor: Oh that's! Oh, you're serious? Come now, Vox. I knew you could be pathetic at times, but I didn't realize you were so weak!
Vox: ...What?
Alastor: Oh. You need me to join your team. And here I thought you might actually be approaching my level. But asking for assistance? A partnership? I am quite disappointed in you.
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TheOrangeGuy09 said:
What is the exact wording? Approaching something does not mean you are already near it. You may be raising from $1 to $50 in two days, while I'm stuck on $200, but I still have way more money than you, even though you are "approaching" my level.
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Nope, it just means you're poor.
 
To add onto Eden's wording, Alastor is shown to have an unusual level of respect to Old Vox. Dude actually appeared to enjoy his company, found his Alastor imitation humorous, and actually let Vox physically touch him without showing disgust.

Unless its shown that Rosie was forcing Alastor to act nice to people back in the day (unlikely given the reputation and how he's shown to act in modern day), it seems like Alastor did see Vox as a potential contender until he showed some form of weakness
 
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