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He is shown to be covering the jets at the sides.Earlier I made a comment about the rough estimate of area Alucard covered, and the minimum would be like this
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Hellsing 8-B + MHS Calc Addition
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maybe ask some calc group members first about the blackbird feat before bumping
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i think you forgot to read page 2
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What should be done here? Someone suggested moving it to Calc Group Discussions, but more staff input is certainly needed here. Anyone in particular to bring in?
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maybe you can ping @Damage3245
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@Damage3245 was asked to ping you. What do you think should be done with this?
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should have asked calc members as well
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The idea of downscaling from it has been discussed. Due to the fact that the shadows are Alucard's own body, and he's covering most of the plane, and this is probably why the plane is so remarkably intact right after the impact. What do you think?
Edit: it also occurs to me that if we assume the plane somehow withstood that impact itself, Rip would upscale for busting it up while Alucard would upscale her for catching her bullet. If we go with Alucard protecting the plane he is the one withstanding the impact, and if not he's explicitly more durable than the plane that did.
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Downscaling is used when the character is weaker but comparable to the feat. Alucard was shown to be comparable if not superior to the planes size (Given Seras can cover the entire Hellsing building with her shadow), holding it together and casually walking out of the explosion unscathed + the plane which he engulfed with his powers completely destroyed the ship. He should scale to it full rather than downscaling
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I am leaning more towards using this.
Scenario 1: Alucard protected the plane and is why it withstood the impact. In this scenario he scales to the impact.
Scenario 2: The plane withstood the impact all by itself. In this scenario the plane would have withstood the impact, and yet that same plane got torn apart by Rip's bullet. Alucard withstood and destroyed an identical bullet, which would place him higher than the impact in this scenario.
Scenario 3: Alucard helped the plane resist the impact but it was both him and the plane, each contributing half or something like that. In this scenario Alucard would still be more than half as durable as the impact since we know he's more durable than it.
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Scenario 2 is impossible because a normal jet can't survive a Mach 3.2 nosedive into an armoured aircraft carrier and still remain intact like that under real world physics. Rip's bullets are magic based and specifically designed to destroy anything that comes in its trajectory. Scenario 3 falls under the same issue. If it wasn't for Alucard using his powers to protect the plane and keeping everything together, it would have been completely destroyed.
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I pretty much agree, I'm just setting up the stage for the fact it's not really possible to avoid the scaling, from my perspective.
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@Reiner04 @DarkDragonMedeus what do you think?
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5 months for an OP section that small is crazy
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im never making a CRT again bruh
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I've seen smaller threads take longer. It isn't that bad.
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well that is very concerning then
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I don’t think that’s a good thing bro
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No, but threads taking a while isn't abnormal.I don’t think that’s a good thing bro
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A significant part of my disagreement is that this is Alucard's shadow. The base assumption has been that it scales to him rather than just being an ability of his, because it extends from him and he sort of melds into it, but it is a shadow. I kind of see it in the same light as scaling someone to their forcefields. I don't doubt that Alucard stopped the plane from being utterly destroyed
I don't want this to be an infinite CRT, but this issue was never really smoothed out for me.
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We've seen him turn into shadow-like matter and spread from there. The shadow seems to actually be his own body transformed.
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I accept this as an interpretation. I know you to be a reasonable individual, and so I will rescind my outright disagreement so that this CRT may progress. Call me neutral.
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I greatly appreciate the trust. I interpret it to be his own body transformed because we see him turn into a mass of that same material when he releases Level 0, and because we see his body composed of those shadow materials during his fight with Tubalcain, among others. He turns into those shadows several times.
I also think he should downscale as his shadow didn't fully cover the plane, although I do think the downscale is only slight, to the point of basically not being a factor. This is due to him saving the plane from an impact the plane wouldn't stand a chance against and due to the fact he did it easily.
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@Robo432343 I think we can probably apply this, although I'm not averse to waiting a day or two to see if anyone else wants to join in, since I pinged some staff. I'd bring up pinging the folks who already voted, but Crab at least seems to very much not want that.
For scaling, this would be Straitjacket Alucard, which means...
Dark Walter is above Straitjacket Alucard, Monster Anderson is below him but still made him put effort in, the Jackal can stagger Monster Anderson, Seras can hold Monster Anderson back, the Captain is comparable to Seras, base Anderson can somewhat withstand the Jackal, Red Coat Alucard is comparable to Base Anderson, Girlycard/Red Coat can somewhat withstand hits from the Captain, Tubalcain is able to challenge Red Coat Alucard.
For a chain:
"~" = close in power, scales
">" = Stronger but still comparable, a downscale
Dark Walter > Straitjacket Alucard > Monster Anderson > True Vampire Seras ~ Captain ~ Jackal > Base Anderson ~ Red Coat Alucard ~ Tubalcain
For scaling, this would be Straitjacket Alucard, which means...
Dark Walter is above Straitjacket Alucard, Monster Anderson is below him but still made him put effort in, the Jackal can stagger Monster Anderson, Seras can hold Monster Anderson back, the Captain is comparable to Seras, base Anderson can somewhat withstand the Jackal, Red Coat Alucard is comparable to Base Anderson, Girlycard/Red Coat can somewhat withstand hits from the Captain, Tubalcain is able to challenge Red Coat Alucard.
For a chain:
"~" = close in power, scales
">" = Stronger but still comparable, a downscale
Dark Walter > Straitjacket Alucard > Monster Anderson > True Vampire Seras ~ Captain ~ Jackal > Base Anderson ~ Red Coat Alucard ~ Tubalcain
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