That could be added. I don't quite recall that, but if you can get scans for him dying if he loses his will and post them here, then we could definitely add that in a CRT.
They could just have longevity. Their horns age as well. It's possible they're immortal, however, the only Demon confirmed to be Immortal as far as I recall is Judgement, which I added to her sandbox, as she blatantly states she's immortal
Makes sense, that's pretty obvious. She should also have it because of her transmutation.
I agree, their should definitely be more. That's what I got to work on a Judgement profile. I'll link my sandbox of her at the end of this reply so you can take a look. It's far from done, but it's off to a good start. Also, Cerbeus doing a blood ritual wouldn't warrant blood manipulation unless they're magically manipulating blood. Either by some telekinetic or magical influence. At best, it'd be something like unholy manipulation since I'm assuming the ritual would've either summoned an evil spirit or did something bad.
Now, we should be careful not to give every demon a resistance the same things just because one of them can resist it. If it's something that can more easily be inferred, it's possible. But at times, it's not because of their biology, but rather just a resistance unique to them.
Sounds dope. Hopefully, there are still a few feats left in the game. Even if it's just supportive stuff like skull-crushing or something. I had planned to either look up every death/every possible choice on YouTube or do it myself. Though I wouldn't mind if you did that when you get on on Sunday. I'll probably skim some YT video's in the meantime.
Thanks. I'm honestly surprised they didn't already have a profile already given they seem to be the only Demon who's actually a fighter with a decent amount of abilities.
You can have immortality type 1 & still show aging signs(Example: DC's New Gods). It would just be eternal life with prepetual youth.They could just have longevity. Their horns age as well. It's possible they're immortal, however, the only Demon confirmed to be Immortal as far as I recall is Judgement, which I added to her sandbox, as she blatantly states she's immortal
It's possible to infer everyone has immortality, but It'd probably be safer to give them longevity.
While that is true, I thought their argument was implying that they were immortal because they didn't appear to physically age. Which while true for most of their body, doesn't seem to be the case when it comes to their horns, which change white as they become ancient. We don't really have evidence that all demons don't die from old age. With Judgement, it's well cemented due to them stating they were, with me of course using the statement that only their horns change with age as supplementary evidence (Though it's possible Demon's biology are completely different, and white horns for them are the equivalent to wrinkly skin or whatever for us).
We don't have evidence that demons can die from old age either. The horns getting white with aging isn't really an anti-feat. Also immortality type 1 not only protects from old age death but also sickness. Beel lived in the Abyss uneffected by every diease known to man. Also why would Judgement be the only immortal demon in the series, cause of her job? Justice used to have Judgement's role.
We need evidence that all demons are immortal. Not that they aren't. Them being immortal would be a positive asserted claim. Just because the Demons we happen to see haven't died, doesn't mean they can't eventually die. We're assuming simply because they've lived for an unknown amount of time, that they're immortal.
It some cases it can. It's not explicit, but it certainly would've helped if we saw Judgement in the DLC since the Demons who did have black horns back in the first game now had white horns.
Guess, what, Helltaker was also resistant to the diseases in the abyss. It's not really proof that all demons are immortal. Especially since the concept of death doesn't even exist in the abyss, meaning by default Beezlbub would have immortality (Only in the abyss). But that'd just apply to anyone who was in the abyss in general.
We don't need a reason. Characters can have abilities, resistances, etc. that are unique to them (For what it's worth, Judgement was implied to have been an Angel before).
Most characters would lose immortality that way
We only see Justice who's likely the oldest demon besides Beel & Lucy.
Justice fought Beel who cause diseases manip too
So? Characters can have abilities that are unique to the race than rather than just themselves too(Then at least Lucy & Azezal would've it as fallen angels).
If we assumed every arbitrarily old character was immortal we'd also have a lot of characters with immortality. We'd basically be giving the reasoning
How do we know Justice is the oldest (Excluding Beel and Lucy)? I don't recall that really being stated anywhere. As far as I recall, we just know every demon is younger than Lucifer and Beezlebub
We know justice sealed Beezlbub away, though we don't know any of the specifics at all. We do know that's how she lost her sight though. Which could also be caused by disease, but again, we know so little about that, it's not like we could use it as solid proof of resistance.
They could have abilities unique to their race, but why would we assume that? Are we also going to assume every demon has Lucifer's death manipulation and transmutation? Or Malina's blood manipulation? etc?
It's possible it's unique to her because of her role, but the mention of it when including her job description doesn't imply it originates from said job.
Eh, I'd guess she had a knife. Like every other demon had a knife or a hammer.
I think it would've been noted if that were the case. Only some of the demons appeared to have weapons, which ironically I just mentioned after you had written this. Plus of course Judgement, but her weapons are magical in nature.
Draft looks good. One thing I noticed is Judgement seems to have flight. During one of the scenes, she flew into the air and was surrounded by some illuminated circle that appeared several times in the game IIRC. I'll look through the blog in more detail and comment to question something if needed.
Might be a different ability for it. I'll probably look through the abilities pages later.
I saw that, but I didn't take it literally, I thought it was more metaphorical. But under the guise that it's true, I don't think it would be reactive power level, because it's merely made out of said sins, not powered by it. The chain's composition is sins, it doesn't gain power from sins.
It would probably be better if we had more context behind the attempts. Because I think this could just imply a resistance to her hax since Lucy seemed kind of reliant on hax such as death manipulation and transmutation. Game was kind of vague on if she were also physically strong (Though all Demons should obviously upscale from The Helltaker). Possible she tried to kill her physically, kinda wish the game went more in-depth about that though. Like did Loremaster have equipment? Or that giant mech she used against The Helltaker to stop her? Bodyguards? Oh well, it can at least serve as supplementary material. But yea, assuming she upscales from Demons, she'd have at least 9-B (9-A now since my calc got accepted) since even the lower demons are at least 9-A for easily killing The Helltaker who's 9-B (9-A).
This one I disagree with. Loremaster (Or Azazel, though I think we should make separate keys for the two) was stated to have implemented a contingency inside of Subject 67 when creating him that gave him a weakness to pie just in case he went out of control:
Completely agree. I put it in her profile as weapon control, which is a more recent addition to the powers and abilities page. It's basically a limited version of telekinesis for characters who can specifically only manipulate a specific weapon and summon said specific weapons. Fits her power pretty well since she can both summon and control chains. Unsure about her starting the machine with technopathy since how it's started is vague. But it could probably work as a possibly rating?
Are Heaven and Hell confirmed dimensions? This could potentially just be teleportation as opposed to dimensional travel.
I had planned to add this to the profile yesterday. But it's likely not healing, rather, full-on resurrection. You got the same bad ending screen as when you died in every other ending, and it was stated The Helltaker's flesh was burned off. Then she brings him back to torture him more.
Would it be considered limited biological manipulation? Seeing as they require technology and prep time as opposed to just magically manipulating the biology of someone or something. Or would it still be considered flat-out biological manipulation?
Really, you used Frieze as an example... Frieza himself confirmed it, he doesn't eternal life nor youth & still does age(tho adimitly slowly).
We don't how she lost her eyesight either. Disease Manip is a passive ability to Beel, a resistance would be required in a serious fight outside of the Abyss.
Judgement is Justice's replacement making Justice at least older than than Judgement.
Sorry but when did i ever try to scale every ability to every demon? Magic is a dispiline, therefore magic users usually don't have the same powerset(Vanripperart
Nope it doesn't originate from her job. It's a requirement to have these before getting job; being immortal, powerful & violent; meaning there can be other demons that meet these requirements to have gotten this job before her.
Yes, he's not actually immortal, but it was a random example of why we shouldn't consider everyone who's old immortal simply for the fact they're old.
It would certainly help if we had the specifics of that fight, but I will say this, the range of her passive dissease manipulation doesn't seem all that great. It wasn't affecting The Helltaker when he was standing outside the portal looking at Beezlebub and it was only after he entered and got closed that it seemed to affect them (Albeit I can't remember after how much time). Heck, maybe Justice was affected by the disease but was cured (As we don't know the specifics of the fight). I think better proof would be that at some point Beezlebub was part of the Demon's community in some way, and for them to be around her at all (Assuming it's always on and she can't control it) they'd need resistance to diseases.
Being the replacement of someone doesn't require you to be younger. Rather more well-suited for the job. For example, the next president won't always be younger than the last. Given Justice had gone blind, and Judgement's arsenal is crazy (Borderline the strongest demon in terms of overall arsenal or even raw power when you account for abilities) it's no wonder they'd be good for the job as opposed to a demon who had gone blind (Speaking of which, assuming they got a profile, though they seem to lack abilities, would they get enhanced senses, they seem to have a good grasp of their surroundings despite their blindness).
Magic's not always a discipline. Depending on the verse it can also be biological, with each character possessing their own unique traits (Think of it like My Hero Academia, but instead it revolves around magical aspects). In the same vein, immortality can fit into that. Heck, even in real life there are some people who have different traits from the kind either due to evolutions or other biological anomalies. My problem doesn't stem with the evidence being wrong, mind you. Just that it isn't concrete such as Vanripper just stating Demons are immortal. I think it could work as supplementary evidence, but supplemental material by itself isn't very strong when not backed up with definitive/solid material. I think we can argue Immortality in a CRT, but as a likely rating, as opposed to full-on saying they all have immortality no questions asked.
Incorrect. It was never stated to have been a requirement. All she says is: "You'd share roof with an immortal avatar of pain"
I think it wasn't meant to be literal. I think that's just how she describes her job. Because well... that's a good description. If your job is torturing the sinful, calling yourself the avatar of pain. As your job is quite literally to bring pain to people (Or in her case Demons and people). I just thought it seemed interesting if we took it as literal as it has pretty cool implications (I'm biased since Judgement is best girl
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Probably gonna be a while sadly
Maybe then we'll finally see what's up with Judgment & the other demons.Probably gonna be a while sadly
I hope Judgement's just chilling out and did like nothing, not gonna lie. Kinda evil, but they seemed to be a neutral character to begin with.
True, she's in the neutral spectrum. But i'm betting she wouldn't let Loremaster invade without a fierce fight. I'm wonder did Helltaker ever manage to escape the Abyss?
The thing is, I don't think Judgement would care if they invaded. I mean, by the time they initially went back to hell, it's possible they were still Azazel, but assuming they weren't, Judgement only really cares about torturing the sinful. I don't think they'd care much if Loremaster tried to overthrow Hell's leader anyways since Judgement has expressed that she believes herself to be more important and easily ignore her orders without hesitation. It'd likely only be a problem if Loremaster directly tried to attack Judgement. And I can't in any world see based on the info we have now imagine Judgement losing against Loremaster. I do view Judgement as like the most competent or even powerful Demon after all. Like if they did fight, I imagine Lore Master giving up on her since she's neutral or something (Heck, could even be the person who made her lose bother her arms).
I don't think that's the canon ending of the game to be fair. Like at best, I thought it was like an alternate canon/universe in the series. I just figured the demons eventually just went back to hell without him.
Her wondering how he is doesn't equate to him haven gone into the abyss. If he's simply on Earth, and she's in hell for a quote en quote long time, then it's not much of a surprise that she'd be wondering how he's doing. There's also the fact the comics for Helltaker from all I've seen all take place after the normal ending of the game. I think there's maybe one comic with Beezlebub and Helltaker?
You can read several of them on the Helltaker wiki. But they're missing several. You'd probably have to dig through vanripper's twitter.
Why dig through twitter when the author already archived all his comics in english in the link below?
