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Ayo. Another Black Clover upgrade thread. Made this in tandem and discussion with @CloverDragon03, so thanks for the help! Using a slightly similar scaling chain from the Dark Triad's devil percentages and pairing it with power progression from the anime-canon, Black Clover can be upgraded 4x stronger than it currently is.
The basis of the scaling starts with the 5% Spade Captain, who actually scales above Zagred. This scaling him coming from being able to damage Post-TS Base Asta, who should also scale above Zagred. In the Mid-Timeskip, Base Asta is able to fight the Earth Guardian Sarado, and split her Earth magic with his regular Demon-Slayer Sword. Sarado was already implied to scale to Zagred in the Pre-TS. As Lolopechka said, Stage 1 could keep up with a devil (referring to pre-TS Vanica who scales above Zagred). Which means Sarado who is Stage 0, would be even closer in power bare minimum. Furthermore, she scales above the likes of Mid-TS Charlotte when she first arrived in the Heart Kingdom. As Sarado is able to easily fight Charlotte and Mimosa at the same time, despite holding back on the trainees.
Mid-TS Charlotte scales above Charla, as she was able to restrain and fight Yami in the Captain's royale. This Yami was even stronger than he was in the elf arc. So the only way for her to be this strong is if she got at least as strong as Charla, which it's implied here. It's already accepted here that Charla scales to Zagred for being able to fight Yami who could damage Zagred.
This gives us this scaling chain: Charla < Mid-TS Charlotte < Sarado < Mid-TS Asta
This also means that Post-TS Base Asta >= Zagred. And the 5% Spade Captain was able to damage Asta with his poison magic. Even though it's poison, it still would scale above Base Asta in AP for being able to bypass his anti-mana skin, which he learned in the anime-canon, and is an anti-magic equivalent to mana skin. Poison magic has also been shown to already have AP in the BC verse, as Gordon can damage long-dead zombies with his poison magic. Or defeat magically-constructed earth golem's with a mass of poison. The spell itself is classified as Stage 0, again a rank of spell that would have the magical power to damage Zagred.
The Spade Captain only has 5% devil power gifted from the Triad. The 50% Disciples have 50%, making them 10x stronger. Giving us this scaling chain:
5% Spade Captain 1.3 Teratons
50% Disciple 13 Teratons
Base Triad 13 Teratons
50% Triad 565 Teratons
100% Triad 1.3 Petatons
DU Asta & Naalith 2.6 Petatons
Half-Manifested Lucifero/TDU Asta 5.2 Petatons
Complete Megicula 7.8 Petatons
Complete Lucifero 10.4 Petatons
Note: Magna scales as 1/500 100% Dante power. Magna's scaling has been the root of much of the post-TS scaling for characters because of this. In a previous thread, Magna was scaled to half Zagred's power for surpassing Black Asta in the mid-TS. But Magna was stated to have gotten a lot stronger since then, thus he upscales from this as well. Magna is twice as strong as Zagred, or 2.6 Teratons.
Note 2: It seems one of the holdups for this post is people arguing that Vanica is that some people believe Vanica was using devil power, and wasn't in her base when she one-shot the 50% Disciple. Because of black specks around her character. But this is not nearly enough evidence to claim Vanica used devil power. As there are various characters WITHOUT devil power who have been shown to have black specks around their body: Yami, Rhya/Mereo, Mars/Fana, Fanzell, Base Vetto, Mikhael Caesar and many more. Of further note, Dante after losing all of his magic power and losing his connection to Lucifero still shows these black specks of supposed devil mana. So black specks are not at all reliable when it comes to determining devil power usage. These are what would count: Glowing eyes, Black horns, tails, wings, or black veins. Vanica's eyes glow and she gets a black vein in her neck, but this isn't until after she one-shots the disciples. Furthermore, even if these black specks were a reliable tell of devil power, there is no evidence that it's hers. She is standing in front of the disciple that she one-shot, and this it could very well be his black specks she's walking through. Black specks are very common across the manga as debris. And Vanica had just flexed her magical aura in the area, which means it very well could be debris around her and not devil power. Black energy CAN be a determiner of devil power usage. But these are far more blatantly expressed than what's around Vanica in the discussed panel. Like with the disciples we see they have tendrils of black energy that also creates dense orb-like energy far desner than the black specks. Another sign can be clothes being stained black like Zenon's fur.
The basis of the scaling starts with the 5% Spade Captain, who actually scales above Zagred. This scaling him coming from being able to damage Post-TS Base Asta, who should also scale above Zagred. In the Mid-Timeskip, Base Asta is able to fight the Earth Guardian Sarado, and split her Earth magic with his regular Demon-Slayer Sword. Sarado was already implied to scale to Zagred in the Pre-TS. As Lolopechka said, Stage 1 could keep up with a devil (referring to pre-TS Vanica who scales above Zagred). Which means Sarado who is Stage 0, would be even closer in power bare minimum. Furthermore, she scales above the likes of Mid-TS Charlotte when she first arrived in the Heart Kingdom. As Sarado is able to easily fight Charlotte and Mimosa at the same time, despite holding back on the trainees.
Mid-TS Charlotte scales above Charla, as she was able to restrain and fight Yami in the Captain's royale. This Yami was even stronger than he was in the elf arc. So the only way for her to be this strong is if she got at least as strong as Charla, which it's implied here. It's already accepted here that Charla scales to Zagred for being able to fight Yami who could damage Zagred.
This gives us this scaling chain: Charla < Mid-TS Charlotte < Sarado < Mid-TS Asta
This also means that Post-TS Base Asta >= Zagred. And the 5% Spade Captain was able to damage Asta with his poison magic. Even though it's poison, it still would scale above Base Asta in AP for being able to bypass his anti-mana skin, which he learned in the anime-canon, and is an anti-magic equivalent to mana skin. Poison magic has also been shown to already have AP in the BC verse, as Gordon can damage long-dead zombies with his poison magic. Or defeat magically-constructed earth golem's with a mass of poison. The spell itself is classified as Stage 0, again a rank of spell that would have the magical power to damage Zagred.
The Spade Captain only has 5% devil power gifted from the Triad. The 50% Disciples have 50%, making them 10x stronger. Giving us this scaling chain:
5% Spade Captain 1.3 Teratons
50% Disciple 13 Teratons
Base Triad 13 Teratons
50% Triad 565 Teratons
100% Triad 1.3 Petatons
DU Asta & Naalith 2.6 Petatons
Half-Manifested Lucifero/TDU Asta 5.2 Petatons
Complete Megicula 7.8 Petatons
Complete Lucifero 10.4 Petatons
Note: Magna scales as 1/500 100% Dante power. Magna's scaling has been the root of much of the post-TS scaling for characters because of this. In a previous thread, Magna was scaled to half Zagred's power for surpassing Black Asta in the mid-TS. But Magna was stated to have gotten a lot stronger since then, thus he upscales from this as well. Magna is twice as strong as Zagred, or 2.6 Teratons.
Note 2: It seems one of the holdups for this post is people arguing that Vanica is that some people believe Vanica was using devil power, and wasn't in her base when she one-shot the 50% Disciple. Because of black specks around her character. But this is not nearly enough evidence to claim Vanica used devil power. As there are various characters WITHOUT devil power who have been shown to have black specks around their body: Yami, Rhya/Mereo, Mars/Fana, Fanzell, Base Vetto, Mikhael Caesar and many more. Of further note, Dante after losing all of his magic power and losing his connection to Lucifero still shows these black specks of supposed devil mana. So black specks are not at all reliable when it comes to determining devil power usage. These are what would count: Glowing eyes, Black horns, tails, wings, or black veins. Vanica's eyes glow and she gets a black vein in her neck, but this isn't until after she one-shots the disciples. Furthermore, even if these black specks were a reliable tell of devil power, there is no evidence that it's hers. She is standing in front of the disciple that she one-shot, and this it could very well be his black specks she's walking through. Black specks are very common across the manga as debris. And Vanica had just flexed her magical aura in the area, which means it very well could be debris around her and not devil power. Black energy CAN be a determiner of devil power usage. But these are far more blatantly expressed than what's around Vanica in the discussed panel. Like with the disciples we see they have tendrils of black energy that also creates dense orb-like energy far desner than the black specks. Another sign can be clothes being stained black like Zenon's fur.
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