Honkai: Star Rail 3-B rescaling

[Emirp sumitpo]

Something that has bothered me for months and I wanna get it outta my head.

So currently, HSR's 3-B and Universal LS stats come from Phainon burning away several galaxies while running in a giant fire form. It's a pretty legitimate feat, no problems there. However, the main problem comes from that very same form in the very same scene proceeds to scratch Nanook mere seconds later, which stands as one of the primary ratings for the Emanator's 1-B ratings, and the profile has arbitrarily decided to separate both feats from each other despite the fact they come from the exact same form.

Furthermore, when you look at the actual fight, it's clearly portrayed as Phainon going beyond what his previous form could do, with his Khaslana form going from getting overpowered by Zephyro to destroying his blade via getting angrier, to him dissipating almost immediately after he scratches Nanook. In short, the feats from his fire form are clearly meant to be significantly superior to what his regular Khaslana self can do and thus those feats shouldn't scale to his regular self.

TL;DR, 3-B and Universal LS should only scale to Phainon's peak/giant fire form and those comparable if not superior to them like the Aeons.

As for base Khaslana and those scaling to him? Those scaling to 45 Quettafoe should be downgraded back to baseline 3-C/10.53 Zettafoe via Emanators being able to incinerate galaxies, while those downscaling the 10x multipliers/4.5 Quattafoe should become 4-A/1.053 Zettafoe. Universal LS would be downgraded back to the previous rating of Class G/Class Y

While I am aware this 3-C+ clalculation from Herta exists, this one is really dubious as we're not giving much context as to whether it not Herta created those galaxies or if they're simply background. It wouldn't make much particular sense for Herta to create galaxies anyway given the whole scene is focusing baking a cake.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Thank god I didn’t need to address these myself. Hard agree.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I agree that 3-B scaling does not make sense.

I'd wait for the other supporters to agree or decide where it should scale and such

 

[PedjaTarzan]

something you and whoever else on my crt agreed upon for 3-B calc being used btw
this was something i planned to do but theres already 2 active crts so i wanted to finish them.
I do have a proposal for scaling for emanators (mainly lord ravagers)
Phainon already has a feat of destroying amphoreus which is a space time dimension.
But it is also said that this space time dimension simulates entire universe itself within the scepter.
You know how it goes
Phainon destroys amphoreus and already confirmed this in the story (Even irontomb destroys it but alongside entire cosmos XD)
since amphoreus stores entire universe in itself and its a space time dimension this can be rated low 2-C
Non emanators can keep 4-A rating but from argenti feat which was accepted like 1/2 years ago i dont even remember.
Since i dont want to use the 1/10 of low 2-C because its dumb and it makes all characters emanator lvl.
For LS? just use Phantylia calc

 

[SuperNova55555]

something you and whoever else on my crt agreed upon for 3-B calc being used btw
this was something i planned to do but theres already 2 active crts so i wanted to finish them.
I do have a proposal for scaling for emanators (mainly lord ravagers)
Phainon already has a feat of destroying amphoreus which is a space time dimension.
But it is also said that this space time dimension simulates entire universe itself within the scepter.
You know how it goes
Phainon destroys amphoreus and already confirmed this in the story (Even irontomb destroys it but alongside entire cosmos XD)
since amphoreus stores entire universe in itself and its a space time dimension this can be rated low 2-C
Non emanators can keep 4-A rating but from argenti feat which was accepted like 1/2 years ago i dont even remember.
Since i dont want to use the 1/10 of low 2-C because its dumb and it makes all characters emanator lvl.
For LS? just use Phantylia calc

Lygus literally says “microcosm of the cosmos”. Look up what “microcosm” means.

 

[Voidnether]

Something that has bothered me for months and I wanna get it outta my head.

So currently, HSR's 3-B and Universal LS stats come from Phainon burning away several galaxies while running in a giant fire form. It's a pretty legitimate feat, no problems there. However, the main problem comes from that very same form in the very same scene proceeds to scratch Nanook mere seconds later, which stands as one of the primary ratings for the Emanator's 1-B ratings, and the profile has arbitrarily decided to separate both feats from each other despite the fact they come from the exact same form.

Furthermore, when you look at the actual fight, it's clearly portrayed as Phainon going beyond what his previous form could do, with his Khaslana form going from getting overpowered by Zephyro to destroying his blade via getting angrier, to him dissipating almost immediately after he scratches Nanook. In short, the feats from his fire form are clearly meant to be significantly superior to what his regular Khaslana self can do and thus those feats shouldn't scale to his regular self.

TL;DR, 3-B and Universal LS should only scale to Phainon's peak/giant fire form and those comparable if not superior to them like the Aeons.

As for base Khaslana and those scaling to him? Those scaling to 45 Quettafoe should be downgraded back to baseline 3-C/10.53 Zettafoe via Emanators being able to incinerate galaxies, while those downscaling the 10x multipliers/4.5 Quattafoe should become 4-A/1.053 Zettafoe. Universal LS would be downgraded back to the previous rating of Class G.

While I am aware this 3-C+ clalculation from Herta exists, this one is really dubious as we're not giving much context as to whether it not Herta created those galaxies or if they're simply background. It wouldn't make much particular sense for Herta to create galaxies anyway given the whole scene is focusing baking a cake.

Well, those comparable or even higher to them would be the Emanators since fully-fledged Emanators are superior to Pathstriders and the pseudo-emanators like Aventurine and so on, this should include Khaslana since he's more of like a pseudo-emanator. That being said though, we have World-Cleasing Blood being comparable to an Emanator of Destruction which is the 400 million Coreflames that allowed Phainon to hurt Nanook in Path Space.

So, base Phainon is just a regular Pathstrider, fire form Khaslana is a pseudo-emanator and the latter is a fully-fledged Emanator of Destruction. They said "similar" in this context which means it should be the same, not "nearly" like Irontomb almost destroying the Path of Erudition.

It's more of like base Emanators are 3-B since they're comparable/superior to this fire form and 1-B mostly because of Path and them being comparable to World-Cleasing Blood Khaslana for fully-fledged Emanators, then anyone on the same level as them like the Trailblazer for example since he fought Lygus and the others would also be comparable. This should include the Lifting Strength too.

 

[Voidnether]

Lygus literally says “microcosm of the cosmos”. Look up what “microcosm” means.

Amphoreus is literally a miniature of the cosmos, a space-time continuum that has the size of an observable universe in it shown with Phainon's animated short visual and the Amphoreus Nebula (the galaxy Cyrene is holding when they fought Irontomb). The cosmos is obviously the universe, the Imaginary Tree that's 12-D.

Don't say things you aren't knowledgeable about.

 

[SuperNova55555]

i trusted evernight sandbox for nothing

I was gonna make a joke about HSR players not reading their series but honestly that’s literally everyone on VSBW.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Amphoreus is literally a miniature of the cosmos, a space-time continuum that has the size of an observable universe in it shown with Phainon's animated short visual and the Amphoreus Nebula (the galaxy Cyrene is holding when they fought Irontomb).

Don't say things you aren't knowledgeable about.

3.7 literally stated Phainon fought in Path Space.

Also, galaxy isn’t a universe. Lmao.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Well, those comparable or even higher to them would be the Emanators since fully-fledged Emanators are superior to Pathstriders and the pseudo-emanators like Aventurine and so on, this should include Khaslana since he's more of like a pseudo-emanator. That being said though, we have World-Cleasing Blood being comparable to an Emanator of Destruction which is the 400 million Coreflames that allowed Phainon to hurt Nanook in Path Space.

So, base Phainon is just a regular Pathstrider, fire form Khaslana is a pseudo-emanator and the latter is a fully-fledged Emanator of Destruction. They said "similar" in this context which means it should be the same, not "nearly" like Irontomb almost destroying the Path of Erudition.

It's more of like base Emanators are 3-B since they're comparable/superior to this fire form and 1-B mostly because of Path and them being comparable to World-Cleasing Blood Khaslana, then anyone on the same level as them like the Trailblazer for example since he fought Lygus and the others would also be comparable. This should include the Lifting Strength too.

That's missing the point. The point is that both 3-B and 1-B come from the exact same form, you can't just arbitrarily separate the two from each other, especially when this feat is being used as justification for 1-B. Either everyone becomes 1-B or the Giant fire Phainon's feats only scale to a specific few.

 

[Voidnether]

3.7 literally stated Phainon fought in Path Space.

Also, galaxy isn’t a universe. Lmao.

Well, using your logic then the entirety of Amphoreus would be galaxy sized only whilst ignoring that it contains multiple galaxies or even more inside? Obviously not.

How haven't you considered the fact that Amphoreus Nebula is a visual of the observable universe, since it pretty much looks like one contrary to what everyone thinks is a galaxy?

Yeah, no, the terminology galaxy here refers to the observable universe and the terminology universe refers to the cosmos, the imaginary tree.

This is why I said you're not knowledgeable enough, because it shouldn't be taken literal.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

I was gonna make a joke about HSR players not reading their series but honestly that’s literally everyone on VSBW.

Not me hehe

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Btw I agree with the thread

 

[SuperNova55555]

Well, using your logic then the entirety of Amphoreus would be galaxy sized only whilst ignoring that it contains multiple galaxies or even more inside? Obviously not.

How haven't you considered the fact that Amphoreus Nebula is a visual of the observable universe, since it pretty much looks like one contrary to what everyone thinks is a galaxy?

Yeah, no, the terminology galaxy here refers to the observable universe and the terminology universe refers to the cosmos, the imaginary tree.

This is why I said you're not knowledgeable enough, because it shouldn't be taken literal.

I don’t think you get my point. Nebula, galaxy, whatever is not the same size as the universe. It’s meant to be a miniature imitation (that’s what a microcosm is). I’m much aware that galaxy can be used to refer to the imaginary tree, but I don’t think anyone here will claim that Amphoreus is identical to it. Now, unless I missed a part in the story and Amphoreus is genuinely shown to contain multiple and multiple galaxies, then sure, I’ll concede.

Otherwise, it’s just a big dimension, as you need the equivalent of the observable universe to qualify for the tier.

Not me hehe

I would never consider you something as lowly as a VSBW goon.

 

[Mommyleona]

wowza someone said that finally
tho i dont know how legitimate it is, like.. incinerating galaxies with trillions if not more lives just out of rage goes against everything Phainon stands for but maybe its just me

 

[Voidnether]

That's missing the point. The point is that both 3-B and 1-B come from the exact same form, you can't just arbitrarily separate the two from each other, especially when this feat is being used as justification for 1-B. Either everyone becomes 1-B or the Giant fire Phainon's feats only scale to a specific few.

1-B is when he went outside Amphoreus and entered Path Space, wounding Nanook with the World-Cleansing Blood. 3-B is when he was still inside and destroyed multiple galaxies.

1-B is obviously reserved exclusively for Emanators and those who gets an amplification of their own, this is the reason why Trailblazer is 1-B even if he's not one: Because he's amplified by Cyrene, it's not like Hysilens is 1-B when 1-B is obviously through Path and all that stuff.

My point is, 400 million Coreflames allowed Phainon to enter Nanook's Path Space, wound it, last blessing of Destruction and use it to kill Irontomb's physical form then kept in Planet Screwllum and Xianzhou. This is what makes him 1-B, the former was him fighting Zephyro and destroyed multiple galaxies. We don't say necessarily that this is through the Coreflames, Khaslana only used the Coreflames when he tried to enter the Path Space in the end.

So like, it's the same form yeah but it doesn't mean that the 3-B feat uses the 400 million Coreflames. The Coreflames amplification is only used when he wanted to enter Nanook's Path Space and then wound it. Which means, him being in Warforge and then fighting Zephyro then destroyed multiple galaxies weren't through the Coreflames. If you think this isn't enough, then just use the scepter statement that could annihilate a whole galaxy in nanoseconds with the galaxy's size being millions of lightyears. The way 3-B was calculated was an energy blast using inverse squared law that's like in the middle of both Milky Way and Andromeda Galaxy's intersection that completely destroys them two

And I'm sure if you try to measure the length of the edge of Milky Way to the edge of Andromeda Galaxy, that's not millions of lightyears so I'm proposing we get someone to calculate this if the 3-B alternative through Khaslana just couldn't be used

 

[Voidnether]

I don’t think you get my point. Nebula, galaxy, whatever is not the same size as the universe. It’s meant to be a miniature imitation (that’s what a microcosm is). I’m much aware that galaxy can be used to refer to the imaginary tree, but I don’t think anyone here will claim that Amphoreus is identical to it. Now, unless I missed a part in the story and Amphoreus is genuinely shown to contain multiple and multiple galaxies, then sure, I’ll concede.

Otherwise, it’s just a big dimension, as you need the equivalent of the observable universe to qualify for the tier.


I would never consider you something as lowly as a VSBW goon.

The problem with it being shown visually is that it was never even stated to be a galaxy, or a nebula of its own because that is simply just the "visual". The problem is if the one shown visually to be a galaxy nebula, but then it's just the entirety of Amphoreus and Amphoreus is shown to have multiple galaxies and even more. We clearly don't say that it's only the size of a galaxy, yes?

Amphoreus having multiple galaxies was in the original 3-B calculation here btw

 

[SuperNova55555]

The problem with it being shown visually is that it was never even stated to be a galaxy, or a nebula of its own because that is simply just the "visual". The problem is if the one shown visually to be a galaxy nebula, but then it's just the entirety of Amphoreus and Amphoreus is shown to have multiple galaxies and even more. We clearly don't say that it's only the size of a galaxy, yes?

Amphoreus having multiple galaxies was in the original 3-B calculation here btw

The “3-B” feat of Phainon incinerating multiple galaxies? Is that the one? Because it’s the only one shown in the verses main page.

The issue with this is that you didn’t seem to contend me pointing out that the game directly states it happens within Path Space.

 

[Voidnether]

Lygus literally says “microcosm of the cosmos”. Look up what “microcosm” means.

I want to address this since this is a problem in Hoyoverse altogether as a whole.

We have Genshin Impact, the planet Teyvat stated to be a microcosm of the world and Teyvat itself is planetary. If we took microcosm as literal, Teyvat shouldn't even be planetary? And yet that's wrong, in my CM1 downgrade about Teyvat there are multiple narratives that comes from someone trustworthy like Neuvillette, Skirk or Lumine that actually knew and stated Teyvat as a planet.

"On Phanes, or The Primordial One"
The Primordial One may have been Phanes. It had wings and a crown, and was birthed from an egg, androgynous in nature. But for the world to be created, the egg's shell had to be broken. However, Phanes, the Primordial One, used the eggshell to separate the "universe" and the "microcosm of the world."

Whilst in this context, Amphoreus is only an observable universe (3-A) and not comparsble to the cosmos itself that's 1-B, I made it very clear that if you're not really knowledgeable about how these words are used, please just don't because taking things as "literal" and then using it as a counterargument isn't really a good way to express it. This doesn't mean all of the statements said are flowery, because this only applies with how Hoyoverse as a whole uses the term bubble universes, bubble worlds, galaxies, star systems and worlds and so on

This only applies if we're talking about the true extent of things like their size, because its stated that bubble universe in size varies and the closer it is to an universe then it's an universe. Whilst the microcosm, or the miniature ones are just planets or continents thats why the term bubble world are used but I won't talk about this further since this is the number 1 most confusing things about Hoyo

 

[Voidnether]

The “3-B” feat of Phainon incinerating multiple galaxies? Is that the one? Because it’s the only one shown in the verses main page.

The issue with this is that you didn’t seem to contend me pointing out that the game directly states it happens within Path Space.

Yeah. About the last one, if you watch the animated short: After Khaslana destroyed multiple galaxies, it's shown there to be like a shattered border in which Nanook is there, this is what I meant with Path Space. Khaslana went out of Amphoreus and entered the Path Space

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Please reduce the random banter discussion. This is a CRT

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

1-B is when he went outside Amphoreus and entered Path Space, wounding Nanook with the World-Cleansing Blood. 3-B is when he was still inside and destroyed multiple galaxies.

1-B is obviously reserved exclusively for Emanators and those who gets an amplification of their own, this is the reason why Trailblazer is 1-B even if he's not one: Because he's amplified by Cyrene, it's not like Hysilens is 1-B when 1-B is obviously through Path and all that stuff.

My point is, 400 million Coreflames allowed Phainon to enter Nanook's Path Space, wound it, last blessing of Destruction and use it to kill Irontomb's physical form then kept in Planet Screwllum and Xianzhou. This is what makes him 1-B, the former was him fighting Zephyro and destroyed multiple galaxies. We don't say necessarily that this is through the Coreflames, Khaslana only used the Coreflames when he tried to enter the Path Space in the end.

So like, it's the same form yeah but it doesn't mean that the 3-B feat uses the 400 million Coreflames. The Coreflames amplification is only used when he wanted to enter Nanook's Path Space and then wound it. Which means, him being in Warforge and then fighting Zephyro then destroyed multiple galaxies weren't through the Coreflames.

Idk why you're bringing in the coreflame when they're not really relevant to my argument. Purely on what is shown to us visually, the animation makes a clear distinction between the strength in power between his regular Khaslana self and his giant fire self like I already mentioned in OP, it's him simply growing far stronger due to rage, and his giant fire self being the one to scratch Nanook in the end. The animation makes it abundantly clear that this fire form would be outright 1-B.

If you think this isn't enough, then just use the scepter statement that could annihilate a whole galaxy in nanoseconds with the galaxy's size being millions of lightyears. The way 3-B was calculated was an energy blast using inverse squared law that's like in the middle of both Milky Way and Andromeda Galaxy's intersection that completely destroys them two

And I'm sure if you try to measure the length of the edge of Milky Way to the edge of Andromeda Galaxy, that's not millions of lightyears so I'm proposing we get someone to calculate this if the 3-B alternative through Khaslana just couldn't be used

If you want to get 3-B, then it's better to scale that off of something else. What I'm simply arguing here is that the 3-B feat isn't usable for those scaling to regualr Khaslana.

The 3-C proposal is just a placeholder tier until something else comes along.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Idk why you're bringing in the coreflame when they're not really relevant to my argument. Purely on what is shown to us visually, the animation makes a clear distinction between the strength in power between his regular Khaslana self and his giant fire self like I already mentioned in OP, it's him simply growing far stronger due to rage, and his giant fire self being the one to scratch Nanook in the end. The animation makes it abundantly clear that this fire form would be outright 1-B.


If you want to get 3-B, then it's better to scale that off of something else. What I'm simply arguing here is that the 3-B feat isn't usable for those scaling to regualr Khaslana.

i did propose baseline 3-B from statements abt lord ravagers, and we also have that asdana galaxy stuff but...yall went for the exact calc of phainon instead

 

[SuperNova55555]

I want to address this since this is a problem in Hoyoverse altogether as a whole.

We have Genshin Impact, the planet Teyvat stated to be a microcosm of the world and Teyvat itself is planetary. If we took microcosm as literal, Teyvat shouldn't even be planetary? And yet that's wrong, in my CM1 downgrade about Teyvat there are multiple narratives that comes from someone trustworthy like Neuvillette, Skirk or Lumine that actually knew and stated Teyvat as a planet.



Whilst in this context, Amphoreus is only an observable universe (3-A) and not comparsble to the cosmos itself that's 1-B, I made it very clear that if you're not really knowledgeable about how these words are used, please just don't because taking things as "literal" and then using it as a counterargument isn't really a good way to express it. This doesn't mean all of the statements said are flowery, because this only applies with how Hoyoverse as a whole uses the term bubble universes, bubble worlds, galaxies, star systems and worlds and so on

This only applies if we're talking about the true extent of things like their size, because its stated that bubble universe in size varies and the closer it is to an universe then it's an universe. Whilst the microcosm, or the miniature ones are just planets or continents thats why the term bubble world are used but I won't talk about this further since this is the number 1 most confusing things about Hoyo

Flowery language is easy to spot if you know the context. That’s the key: context.

“Microcosm” here is not used with the implication that it is a complete imitation of the universe.

I mean, you can very clearly tell what “microcosm” refers to in that genshin scan when the word is juxtaposed against universe rather than planet. And “world” is an extremely general term to begin with.

Yeah. About the last one, if you watch the animated short: After Khaslana destroyed multiple galaxies, it's shown there to be like a shattered border in which Nanook is there, this is what I meant with Path Space. Khaslana went out of Amphoreus and entered the Path Space

So… how are the galaxies inside of Amphoreus when they’re in Path Space instead…?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I always thought this day would come at some point, and I have to agree with the OP, also, @Emirp sumitpo, what about Ambrosial Arbor Phantylia Class Y? Emanators and those comparable to them scales to it or not? Or only she scales to it? The 4-A/1.053 Zettafoe value is 4-A+ or 4-A?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

For LS? just use Phantylia calc

Isn't this though telekinesis though? Unless Emanators physically scale to their TK or smthn.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Isn't this though telekinesis though? Unless Emanators physically scale to their TK or smthn.

this was the reasoning for calc, so ig since we see her hand holding star and planet ig it can be used for physicals

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I always thought this day would come at some point, and I have to agree with the OP, also, @Emirp sumitpo, what about Ambrosial Arbor Phantylia Class Y? Emanators and those comparable to them scales to it or not? Or only she scales to it? The 4-A/1.053 Zettafoe value is 4-A+ or 4-A?

Just 4-A. 4-A+ starts at 5.26 Zettafoe.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

this was the reasoning for calc, so ig since we see her hand holding star and planet ig it can be used for physicals

It's kinda weird? Cause it shows that she isn't doing it with her own bare hands. But doesn't HSR function on UES? Cause if so, then maybe there is grounds for Class Y scaling.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

It's kinda weird? Cause it shows that she isn't doing it with her own bare hands. But doesn't HSR function on UES? Cause if so, then maybe there is grounds for Class Y scaling.

Yes theres a UES

 

[PedjaTarzan]

It's kinda weird? Cause it shows that she isn't doing it with her own bare hands. But doesn't HSR function on UES? Cause if so, then maybe there is grounds for Class Y scaling.

It does, especially after 3.7 where they outright called nanooks blood and stellaron “imaginary internal energy” which is honkai

 

[PedjaTarzan]

IMGUR DOESNT WORK HAHHAHADNFIFKRRKR

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

It does, especially after 3.7 where they outright called nanooks blood and stellaron “imaginary internal energy” which is honkai

 

[Voidnether]

Flowery language is easy to spot if you know the context. That’s the key: context.

“Microcosm” here is not used with the implication that it is a complete imitation of the universe.

I mean, you can very clearly tell what “microcosm” refers to in that genshin scan when the word is juxtaposed against universe rather than planet. And “world” is an extremely general term to begin with.


So… how are the galaxies inside of Amphoreus when they’re in Path Space instead…?

Actually, Phanes separated the planet Teyvat from the universe, disconnecting it.

Path Space functions similarly to an Imaginary Space, this means Path Space exist outside Amphoreus. That is why.

Isn't this though telekinesis though? Unless Emanators physically scale to their TK or smthn.

I mean, base Emanators are all the same in terms of statistics, I'm still trying to find an alternative for the LS though. I already have an alternative for the AP part, somehow value is way higher than before actually

Actually, just use Multi-Stellar from Cyrene's ultimate for Emanators, problem solved

 

[SuperNova55555]

Path Space functions similarly to an Imaginary Space, this means Path Space exist outside Amphoreus. That is why.

Ok here’s the thing because I think the points got confused along the way:

The original claim iirc was that destroying Amphoreus should be Low 2-C because it contains an entire universe. The main proof for this which you presented is that it contains multiple galaxies, but now it seems we agree that it actually doesn’t. So what’s the proof of it being bigger than a galaxy or nebula? I inherently agree that “microcosm” can be used in a flowery sense (as is for literally any other word) but you still have to prove that Amphoreus is actually universal in size some other way in order for that to actually be the case.

 

[Ayato256]

I agree with the author; I also don't see why this feat was extended to characters other than the ravager lords and Khaslana (she doesn't justify it enough in my opinion).

 

[Voidnether]

Ok here’s the thing because I think the points got confused along the way:

The original claim iirc was that destroying Amphoreus should be Low 2-C because it contains an entire universe. The main proof for this which you presented is that it contains multiple galaxies, but now it seems we agree that it actually doesn’t. So what’s the proof of it being bigger than a galaxy or nebula? I inherently agree that “microcosm” can be used in a flowery sense (as is for literally any other word) but you still have to prove that Amphoreus is actually universal in size some other way in order for that to actually be the case.

1. It is stated as the microcosm of the cosmos, Amphoreus was supposed to function as the miniature universe in the first place
2. Path Space is the place where Nanook resides, with how the border is shattered in the animation — We know that Path Space is outside Amphoreus, outside the simulation. This border that Khaslana entered through is the intersection between Amphoreus and Path Space
3. Amphoreus has multiple galaxies, since when did I even agree that it's not?
4. Amphoreus is Low 2-C if you destroyed the entire thing, it's a space-time continuum that has the observable universe inside of it
5. Phainon came out and attacked Nanook's underlings in Warforge, then he transformed into Khaslana and fought Zephyro. Khaslana fell, then he transformed into this fire giant and then fought Zephyro again, destroyed multiple galaxies in the process and then entered Path Space, the realm where Nanook resides in.
This is the entire animation short btw

 

[SuperNova55555]

1. It is stated as the microcosm of the cosmos, Amphoreus was supposed to function as the miniature universe in the first place
2. Path Space is the place where Nanook resides, with how the border is shattered in the animation — We know that Path Space is outside Amphoreus, outside the simulation
3. Amphoreus has multiple galaxies, since when did I even agree that it's not?
4. Amphoreus is Low 2-C if you destroyed the entire thing, it's a space-time continuum that has the observable universe inside of it
5. Phainon came out and attacked Nanook's underlings in Warforge, then he transformed into Khaslana and fought Zephyro. Khaslana fell, then he transformed into this fire giant and then fought Zephyro again, destroyed multiple galaxies in the process and then entered Path Space, the realm where Nanook resides in.
This is the entire animation short btw

Actually, the entire fight happens in Path Space, including the anti-matter underlings.

So, can you now show where Amphoreus has multiple galaxies? Because the original proof you gave me are of the ones in Path Space, which we agree are no longer in Amphoreus:

Amphoreus having multiple galaxies was in the original 3-B calculation here btw

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I agree with the author; I also don't see why this feat was extended to characters other than the ravager lords and Khaslana (she doesn't justify it enough in my opinion).

I am pretty such that Acheron stated that Emanators overall were on the same level, which includes Lord Ravagers, Emanators of Destruction

 

[Eseseso]

Looks good