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He wasn't stalemated by BKE Durandal though? Otto literally intervened before Kevin was able to get serious, but yeah while I don't believe Ryusuke is 1-C I have to admit your examples with chain scaling has some holes in itThe same Kevin who was stalemated by BKE Durandal.
This should be enough feats for profiles, right?We already have several Tier 6 feats for HI3 that I compiled in the other thread.
Extra note, I think I remember Herrscher of the End had like some statements of being able to destroy Earth? But I don't remember where.
For Star Rail, of the top off my head and excluding the Aeons, most notable feats we have are:
- The cast being able to fight Cocolia's giant mech - Just based off it's sheer size, this one is easy Tier 7
- Dan Feng parting the seas - Likely somewhere in Tier 7
- Cocolia having the power of a Stellaron, which froze Jarilo's surface - I'm not sure if Cocolia fully scales to the Stellaron itself, but if she does, this is easy High 6-A
- The Doomsday Beast having a world destroying statement iirc? - 5-B
- Dan heng defeating a monster that could swallow stars from Himeko's profile - 4-C
- Phantylia's High 4-C feat - High 4-C
- Apparently Argenti defeat some monster who was swallowing stars or something? - I haven't finished the quest so idk the full context, and iirc, he was gonna sacrifice himself to do it, if it is true, then it's probably High 4-C to 4-A.
As in, the only monsters that were said to swallow stars were the ones Dan heng oneshot in Himeko's story. The Giant True Sting in Argenti's quest wasn't said to do that afaik.Wdym?
For accepted calcs, if it's standalone then it can be applied without a CRT.
As far as we saw, Durandal was portrayed as having stalemated Kevin via Rita's account claiming they appeared evenly matched. While we can infer Kevin was not yet serious, it's not confirmed nor is it supported by evidence.He wasn't stalemated by BKE Durandal though? Otto literally intervened before Kevin was able to get serious, but yeah while I don't believe Ryusuke is 1-C I have to admit your examples with chain scaling has some holes in it
Yeah that's what I was referring to.As in, the only monsters that were said to swallow stars were the ones Dan heng oneshot in Himeko's story. The Giant True Sting in Argenti's quest wasn't said to do that afaik.
Ok, I'll do so later.For accepted calcs, if it's standalone then it can be applied without a CRT.
I'll summarise speed later, but generally I feel it's... Not great?This should be enough feats for profiles, right?
Now what about speed feats?
It's doesn't really need scale from instantly one shot, as long he can harm even kill the sting it's should be scale. Also tbh, i am pretty sure this big sting bug ain't no way stronger than actual Skaracabaz the tazzyronth emanator.As in, the only monsters that were said to swallow stars were the ones Dan heng oneshot in Himeko's story. The Giant True Sting in Argenti's quest wasn't said to do that afaik.
I am about to probably leave forever, so I want to remove a burden that is annoying me. Stop acting like what you think is the absolute truth and the only real interpretation of anything.In the first place, Ryusuke's statement has always been purely metaphorical. The only reason it was treated as literal was because of wiki members enforcing wiki logic onto a non-wiki entity. Like Ultima mentioned in the thread, you can't map R>F to dimensions because all dimensionalities are equally "real" in an ontological sense. Any so-called "fictional" being interacting in any way with a so-called "real" being would immediately invalidate the feat in that context.
Well, been nice knowing ya. Take care.I am about to probably leave forever
Ok let's do this:I'll summarise speed later, but generally I feel it's... Not great?
Massively FTL+ attack speed (She could make the stars in the sky turn around the Earth multiple times at a very great speed)
Does anyone scale to this?
Not really. You could argue it scales to her combat speed because of UES, but considering 4-A might get hammered, probably won't matter oof.Does anyone scale to this?
But niether of them could has shown hard scaling to Seele in speed afaik.Why we just not scales the characters from Jarilo-VI Arc like this: At least Supersonic, likely Sub-Relativistic?
I mean, they weren't that much slower than Seele, they could still fight Svarog, Human Cocolia's Echo (which is pretty much a perfect copy of the real Cocolia) and Stellaron Empowered Cocolia, who in turn could keep up with Seele
Well the problem is that in the Sub-Rel feat that we try to scale them too it wasn't just the bullet that got statued but also Bronya. Kinda hard to scale to someone that completely blitzed youWhy we just not scales the characters from Jarilo-VI Arc like this: At least Supersonic, likely Sub-Relativistic?
I mean, they weren't that much slower than Seele anyway, they could still fight Svarog, Gepard, Human Cocolia's Echo (which is pretty much a perfect copy of the real Cocolia) and Stellaron Empowered Cocolia, who in turn could keep up with Seele and gave trouble to her
We don't deem Welt's black holes as legit apparentlyIs using black holes for speed invalid? Wouldn't Sirin be FTL through her fight with Welt?
I mean, in the story and lore Seele being hundreds/thousands of times faster than everyone else doesn't make sense, Seele was aware and not confident in dealing with Svarog alone and had the team up with other characters to beat him, and during the fights against Gepard, Human Cocolia's Echo and Stellaron Empowered Cocolia, the fate of her home planet the towns the she protects were at the stake since everyone would die in Jarilo-VI if Cocolia succeeded on her plan and she hasn't any reason to wait everyone else if she was that much faster than the enemies and if they were that much slower than her, she could pretty much blitzed them and use her speed on favor since the gap in power wasn't that big, and by what you guys are proposing, everyone else on the planet besides Seele are hundreds/thousands of times slower than her, which doesn't make sense considering what I said aboveBut niether of them could has shown hard scaling to Seele in speed afaik.
I feel maybe "Supersonic, likely far higher" is more suitable.
But we know she can blitz them because she literally does it to Bronya during the very feat you want to scale everyone toshe could pretty much blitzed them and use her speed on favor since the gap in power wasn't that big
I mean you could argue it could be an AP issue.Seele was aware and not confident in dealing with Svarog alone and had the team up with other characters, and during the fight against Gepard, Human Cocolia's Echo and Stellaron Empowered Cocolia
Not really, but then again, every cutscene tells us otherwise.I mean, do you guys really believe Seele was hundreds/thousands of times faster than everyone else during Jarilo-VI Arc?
I mean, do you guys really believe Seele was hundreds/thousands of times faster than everyone else during Jarilo-VI Arc?
Otto's description of Welt's Black Hole clearly states that light cannot escape.We don't deem Welt's black holes as legit apparently
I wouldn't say Rita who at that point doesn't even scale to a nerfed Kiana who had partial control of her void powers from ch 14 is the most reliable way of interpreting Durandal being "evenly" matched with Kevin not to mention there is a way to support Kevin heavily holding back, Durandal struggles against a 1% chibi Kevin even assuming she had years to train and grow stronger this is relatively concrete as it was in her BKE key so it couldn't of been that long. Not to mention in the second key manga she's inferior to Su before getting Dea Anchora I don't think I need to explain any further but for those who haven't read the manga Kevin deals with Su extremely easily while Su has literal years worth of prep and multiple divine keys at his disposal, he does this in base and doesn't even use AHR he pretty much neg diffs him and in the end chooses to let himself be trapped in the SoQ because he realizes how messed up project stigma is and gives Su a chance so yeah not too sure about Durandal being evenly matched with Kevin.As far as we saw, Durandal was portrayed as having stalemated Kevin via Rita's account claiming they appeared evenly matched. While we can infer Kevin was not yet serious, it's not confirmed nor is it supported by evidence.
We also know that, stalemate or not, Welt cannot be infinitely stronger than his Second Eruption self without also claiming that he, and everyone that scales remotely close to or above him, is infinitely stronger than Six-Core Sirin. The scaling chain was just a way of emphasising how stupid that idea is. It's just one of the MANY things wrong with said assertion.
Damn..... was nice knowing you man, albeit kinda short ngl tho trueI am about to probably leave forever, so I want to remove a burden that is annoying me. Stop acting like what you think is the absolute truth and the only real interpretation of anything.
Ryusuke's statement being metaporical is your own interpretation and nothing more. Which is fair, but it's also not the absolute truth considering that the statement is pretty straight forward to literally anyone else that have actually read the comic in the first place.
And the fact that you continously says that Welt defeating Ryusuke is an anti-feat is also a pretty clear indication that you understand very little of the Tier 1 standards. It's explained as clear as day that he defeated him be manipulatibg the higher dimension in which he resided, creating a Singularity that affected the dimension itself. He defeated him with Tier 1 hax, which is a extremely common thing that happens in fiction.
And lastly, the new R>F possible standard actually makes the rating even more solid, considering what Ultima said in previous pages about the standards, considering that Ryusuke tells clearly that Welt cannot interact with him because he is the "reader", and Welt later interacts with him by altering the higher dimension, not by physically punching him or anything.
Your interpretation is just as valid as the interpretation of anyone else, stop acting like only yours is the one that matters, it comes off as extremely arrogant and nothing more. Have you ever wandered why no one else want to be involved with Honkai Impact 3rd in this wiki, despite everyone voicing the fact that the verse is in horrible conditions? Make the question and give yourself the answer. I hope that the overhaul that Shiroiyo is working on will actually make the verse better, because damn it needs it. Goodbye.
The actual defeat of Ryusuke has never been part of my argument. IF Ryusuke were considered a valid HDE, then I would easily accept that Star of Eden has tier 1 hax. If you look back at my past arguments about Tier 1, I've never disputed the existence of smurf hax in Honkai, only the validity of the tiering itself on a case-by-case basis.I am about to probably leave forever, so I want to remove a burden that is annoying me. Stop acting like what you think is the absolute truth and the only real interpretation of anything.
Ryusuke's statement being metaporical is your own interpretation and nothing more. Which is fair, but it's also not the absolute truth considering that the statement is pretty straight forward to literally anyone else that have actually read the comic in the first place.
And the fact that you continously says that Welt defeating Ryusuke is an anti-feat is also a pretty clear indication that you understand very little of the Tier 1 standards. It's explained as clear as day that he defeated him be manipulatibg the higher dimension in which he resided, creating a Singularity that affected the dimension itself. He defeated him with Tier 1 hax, which is a extremely common thing that happens in fiction.
The main rationale of the new R>F standard was that ANY interaction between fictional entities and real entities should be impossible, and cannot be equated to dimensional superiority. No matter how many dimensions you put in between, the higher dimensional entity can never truly consider the lower entity as "fictional" in the actual sense of the word. That is why I believe that Ryusuke's statement was metaphorical. That's because IF Ryusuke's statement were literal, then Welt would never have been able to defeat him even if he became infinite-dimensional; because no amount of additional dimensions can turn a fictional entity into a real one.And lastly, the new R>F possible standard actually makes the rating even more solid, considering what Ultima said in previous pages about the standards, considering that Ryusuke tells clearly that Welt cannot interact with him because he is the "reader", and Welt later interacts with him by altering the higher dimension, not by physically punching him or anything.
And I never said otherwise. I've never asked for anything more or less than proper arguments to the contrary. When people provide scans and explain the thought process for their interpretation, I can agree. It's only when people don't want to bother explaining their points, or when their points don't hold up to scrutiny, that I disagree with them.Your interpretation is just as valid as the interpretation of anyone else, stop acting like only yours is the one that matters, it comes off as extremely arrogant and nothing more. Have you ever wandered why no one else want to be involved with Honkai Impact 3rd in this wiki, despite everyone voicing the fact that the verse is in horrible conditions? Make the question and give yourself the answer. I hope that the overhaul that Shiroiyo is working on will actually make the verse better, because damn it needs it. Goodbye.