Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[Voidnether]

Also why are they unknown in speed? They already have a Supersonic feat to scale to from Bronya

Also, the 4-C thing should be changed to 5-B due to the raw translations.

I agree, so far 5-B is the most consistent from Acheron itself. I calculated for the Black-Hole Feats (if it's even really a blackhole in the first place) & her fight with sam, the stellaron hunter thats probably the most possible to destroy planets if we use the stellaron hunter destroying planet statement and silver wolf's voiceline about sam and yeah they really only scale to 5-B lol

 

[Voidnether]

Also, if I may ask why is there no official page about HSR yet? It's been a year literally..

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Also, if I may ask why is there no official page about HSR yet? It's been a year literally..

There already is

I calculated for the Black-Hole Feats (if it's even really a blackhole in the first place) & her fight with sam, the stellaron hunter thats probably the most possible to destroy planets if we use the stellaron hunter destroying planet statement and silver wolf's voiceline about sam and yeah they really only scale to 5-B lol

We're not using that because the context, as shown with that Kafka short, showed that they don't really blow up planets Frieza style. Just systematically destroy them from the inside out. It's honestly more like an intelligence feat.

 

[Voidnether]

There already is


We're not using that because the context, as shown with that Kafka short, showed that they don't really blow up planets Frieza style. Just systematically destroy them from the inside out. It's honestly more like an intelligence feat.

I see, well what about Sam then? In Silver Wolf's voiceline about Sam it's explicitly shown that it's just boom, boom boom and then it's over so pretty much that statement is for Sam..

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Aventurine mains, assemble

 

[Voidnether]

Can someone help me with the chainscalling abilities now? I'm done with Sam's profile

Sam

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[Woomica]

I agree, so far 5-B is the most consistent from Acheron itself. I calculated for the Black-Hole Feats (if it's even really a blackhole in the first place) & her fight with sam, the stellaron hunter thats probably the most possible to destroy planets if we use the stellaron hunter destroying planet statement and silver wolf's voiceline about sam and yeah they really only scale to 5-B lol

Acheron black hole most likely isnt an litteral one as it doesnt cause anything to anybody who was inside her space

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I see, well what about Sam then? In Silver Wolf's voiceline about Sam it's explicitly shown that it's just boom, boom boom and then it's over so pretty much that statement is for Sam..

I mean nothing really shows that he planet busts either. Causing internal disruption is established to be just what the Stellaron hunters do in general.

And Silverwolf's statement simply refers to just Sam being a muscle, nothing related to him being able to blow up planets or whatever

 

[Voidnether]

Acheron black hole most likely isnt an litteral one as it doesnt cause anything to anybody who was inside her space

I still could argue using the "barrier" that Acheron & Aventurine mentioned if that's the reason, it's not even a blackhole when it's literally stated to be IX and IX is literally nothingness

 

[Voidnether]

I mean nothing really shows that he planet busts either. Causing internal disruption is established to be just what the Stellaron hunters do in general.

And Silverwolf's statement simply refers to just Sam being a muscle, nothing related to him being able to blow up planets or whatever

Makes sense, so what feats are we using since you said it's still 5-B regardless?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Makes sense, so what feats are we using since you said it's still 5-B regardless?

Idk when are we updating it, but we're currently scaling off of Dan Hen's 5-B statement and the doomsday beast being 5-B

Penacony characters should actually be High 5-A because of Phantylia's feat but idk if Avengers shows has made that calc into a blog yet.

 

[Woomica]

Penacony characters should actually be High 5-A because of Phantylia's feat but idk if Avengers shows has made that calc into a blog yet.

Xianzhou too

 

[Arianninc]

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Do Supreme Guardians have Clairvoyance abilities? As far as I remember in Qlipoth Fort, they have Armillary Sphere an object that can see the entire belobog.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Pretty much Xianzhou Arc Trailblazer and others comparable to him shouldn't be just 4-A? Caelus/Stelle was able to take on and defeat Argenti on a 1v1 battle, who could pierced through the Giant Sting to get out of its stomach, which is big enough to have a starry sky inside of it's belly

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Pretty much Xianzhou Arc Trailblazer and others comparable to him shouldn't be just 4-A? Caelus/Stelle was able to take on and defeat Argenti on a 1v1 battle, who could pierced through the Giant Sting to get out of its stomach, which is big enough to have a starry sky inside of it's belly

I recall Avengers saying that feat was wack or something. I forgot the reasoning.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I recall Avengers saying that feat was wack or something. I forgot the reasoning.

Sorry for the bad language that I will use, but calling this feat "wack" or use the desbelief argument against it despite the explicit 4-A size of the Giant Sting seems to be pretty shitty reason in my view

 

[Furudo_Erika]

Sorry for the bad language that I will use, but calling this feat "wack" or use the desbelief argument against it despite the explicit 4-A size of the Giant Sting seems to be pretty shitty for me, at least in my view

I have to agree with that, especially if it is explicitly that large. It should be a bit nonsensical to consider sheer size an "outlier".

 

[Furudo_Erika]

But how far into 4-A though? Equal to the common feat of "creating a starry sky"?

 

[Shiroiyo]

Sorry for the bad language that I will use, but calling this feat "wack" or use the desbelief argument against it despite the explicit 4-A size of the Giant Sting seems to be pretty shitty reason in my view

iirc, someone argue against this using something like this:

"if a bullet pierces a building, that doesn't make the gun building level, piercing attacks are usually capable of doing much more with much less energythan blunt attacks (such as explosions)"

referring to Argenti using a spear.

 

[Furudo_Erika]

iirc, someone argue against this using something like this:

"if a bullet pierces a building, that doesn't make the gun building level, piercing attacks are usually capable of doing much more with much less energythan blunt attacks (such as explosions)"

referring to Argenti using a spear.

That's true for lower-tier things, but that logic gets real iffy when talking much, much higher tiers. Where any kind of damage would likely scale them to that tier.
Also why don't we just give "higher with piercing attacks" with any character that can use any kind of pokey stick if we're going down that route?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

But how far into 4-A though? Equal to the feat of "creating a starry sky"?

I think the Giant Sting scaling to be superior to the standard starry sky feat is fair enough, since the Giant String was so massively big that Astral Express' crew, Argenti and other characters doesn't noticed that they were inside of it's belly until they investigated further about the situation to know about how big the creature is

 

[Furudo_Erika]

I think the Giant Sting scaling to be superior to the standard starry sky feat is fair enough, since the Giant String was so massively big that Astral Express' crew, Argenti and other characters doesn't noticed that they were swallow by it and inside of it's belly until they investigate further about the situation to know about how big the creature is

Perhaps slap an "At least"/"likely higher" on it then.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Perhaps slap an "At least"/"likely higher" on it then.

I think just straight 4-A is enough, due to how big this Tier is

 

[Furudo_Erika]

That's true for lower-tier things, but that logic gets real iffy when talking much, much higher tiers. Where any kind of damage would likely scale them to that tier.
Also why don't we just give "higher with piercing attacks" with any character that can use any kind of pokey stick if we're going down that route?

Not to mention, the body of such a creature would likely be extremely thick and very hard to pierce though, if it can basically swallow a star cluster or something of that regard.
Probably "width of multiple star systems lined up" kind of thickness.

 

[AKUTO123]

iirc, someone argue against this using something like this:

"if a bullet pierces a building, that doesn't make the gun building level, piercing attacks are usually capable of doing much more with much less energythan blunt attacks (such as explosions)"

referring to Argenti using a spear.

That's not work when we met higher scale. For example you can use e stick for blow up entire galaxy or use bare hand doesn't matter result is still would 3C

 

[Avengershows]

That's true for lower-tier things, but that logic gets real iffy when talking much, much higher tiers. Where any kind of damage would likely scale them to that tier.
Also why don't we just give "higher with piercing attacks" with any character that can use any kind of pokey stick if we're going down that route?

And why doesn't it work for higher tiers? Explain it scientifically.
Joule/area is still a thing, and in stellar creation feats, we still use the principle of joule/area scaling, meaning yes, piercing attacks that concentrate energy in a small area to create massive amounts of pressure can damage and pierce things larger than itself.
A needle can puncture through your entire body given enough energy, but that energy amount doesn't exceed your potential energy or even the energy you use to eat.
Just because it's a higher tier doesn't mean that we can arbitrarily decide logic doesn't apply anymore.

 

[Woomica]

As someone who made argenti profile on hsr
The reason he has far higher instead of 4-A is first that yes piercing doesnt scale directly to said durability,but still being able to pierce something so gargantuan still requires some sort of big energy as you cant rly pierce something without trying hard meaning that if you would give a normal human to pierce that nothing would rly happen.
Next is that we dont know its exact size,we know its real,we know it has a stars inside but the size is still unknown
Still if you wanna argue that the "mouth" astral express is an opening created by argenti given its actually large you can calc something i guess but i prefer far highee

 

[Woomica]

Anyway argenti needs to have mftl+ speed bcs of that feat

 

[Voidnether]

Put it on Attack Potency & Striking Strength for now, I mean it's purely the spear's feat so it would make sense if it wouldn't scale to his durability regardless

As someone who made argenti profile on hsr
The reason he has far higher instead of 4-A is first that yes piercing doesnt scale directly to said durability,but still being able to pierce something so gargantuan still requires some sort of big energy as you cant rly pierce something without trying hard meaning that if you would give a normal human to pierce that nothing would rly happen.
Next is that we dont know its exact size,we know its real,we know it has a stars inside but the size is still unknown
Still if you wanna argue that the "mouth" astral express is an opening created by argenti given its actually large you can calc something i guess but i prefer far highee

 

[Woomica]

Put it on Attack Potency & Striking Strength for now, I mean it's purely the spear's feat so it would make sense if it wouldn't scale to his durability regardless

If y'all agree abt the feat scaling ill make crt about it

 

[Avengershows]

As someone who made argenti profile on hsr
The reason he has far higher instead of 4-A is first that yes piercing doesnt scale directly to said durability,but still being able to pierce something so gargantuan still requires some sort of big energy as you cant rly pierce something without trying hard meaning that if you would give a normal human to pierce that nothing would rly happen.
Next is that we dont know its exact size,we know its real,we know it has a stars inside but the size is still unknown
Still if you wanna argue that the "mouth" astral express is an opening created by argenti given its actually large you can calc something i guess but i prefer far highee

It would require tons of energy, which High 5-A should be able achieve given an eyeball of what it is.

 

[Woomica]

It would require tons of energy, which High 5-A should be able achieve

we already have that calc for phantylia no?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

It would require tons of energy, which High 5-A should be able achieve given an eyeball of what it is.

Have you posted it in a blog?

Anyway argenti needs to have mftl+ speed bcs of that feat

Can I see the feat again? Maybe I could get someone to calc it.

 

[Woomica]

Can I see the feat again? Maybe I could get someone to calc it.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Oof, that's pretty unquantifiable since we don't see the distance he moved

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Aren't most of the characters scaling to Dan Heng who fought monsters that can shallow stars, which is why they have 4-C scaling?

 

[Woomica]

Aren't most of the characters scaling to Dan Heng who fought monsters that can shallow stars, which is why they have 4-C scaling?

The cn doesnt refer to stars as the literal but rather objects in the sky iirc

 

[Avengershows]

Have you posted it in a blog?

Not yet, I've been planning to. I think I'll do a one-shot blog-post for both Hi3rd and HSR, where I'll calc Fallen Star's destruction, and then Phantylia's feat

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

As someone who made argenti profile on hsr
The reason he has far higher instead of 4-A is first that yes piercing doesnt scale directly to said durability,but still being able to pierce something so gargantuan still requires some sort of big energy as you cant rly pierce something without trying hard meaning that if you would give a normal human to pierce that nothing would rly happen.
Next is that we dont know its exact size,we know its real,we know it has a stars inside but the size is still unknown
Still if you wanna argue that the "mouth" astral express is an opening created by argenti given its actually large you can calc something i guess but i prefer far highee

I will say it again, the arguments in this thread against the solid 4-A for overall AP and Dura are pretty weak, Argenti even had to use his full power to fight against The Trailblazer and still lost, and if someone dare to assume he doesn't used his piercing attacks against our trash panda, I will call it bullshit and headcannon, since by what we saw in his gameplay as a playable character and his movements as a Boss enemy, in all of them he indeed use piercing attacks in combat, it should be an indication of how he battled against Caelus/Stelle, which means that they should have took attacks from Argenti trying to pierce them, and even so The Trailblazer was the one who came out as the winner on their 1v1, not Argenti

 

[Woomica]

I will say it again, the arguments in this thread against the solid 4-A for overall AP and Dura are pretty weak, heck, he even had all going out fight against The Trailblazer and still lost, and if someone dare to assume he doesn't used his piercing attacks against our trash panda, I will call it bullshit and headcannon, since by what we saw in his gameplay as a playable character and his movements as a Boss enemy, in all of them he indeed use piercing attacks in combat, it should be an indication of how he battled against Caelus/Stelle, which means that they should have took attacks from Argenti trying to pierce them, and even so The Trailblazer was the one who came out as the winner on their 1v1, not Argenti

I do understand what you mean we can make crt abt that if needed