Humanity gets fed up with Warhammer

[The_Smashor]

Rules: This is human vs one Culexus Assassin. Human has acess to everything but nukes. Otherwise SBA.



F*** your hax!:
What Hax?:

Inconclusive:

 

[Wokistan]

I mean with no prep and no nukes and speed unequal this sorta doesn't work, at all.

We don't assume IRL humans have souls, but they are still only 9-B.

With sufficient prep there's probably some way to stomp a CA in a timely manner.

 

[The_Smashor]

I'm including Vehicles in that. I mean literally everything but nukes.

 

[Wokistan]

There aren't FTL vehicles though, or vehicles above tier 8 dura.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

There are vehicles with Tier 8 Durability, actually, but I think all of them are watercraft. But yeah, speed unequal = ded.

 

[Wokistan]

I think some tanks reach 8-C dura, then yeah submarines and stuff.

Submarines are actually great. I should really argue for that a lot more in composite human matches. Stealthy and beyond reach for many, can carry nukes and chemical warheads, etc.

Regardless, these conditions need a changing, and i'm not entirely sure you can make this a not mismatch.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Submarines are too OP.

 

[Ogbunabali]

I haven't seen this stated anywhere before. But since composite human has the knowledge of everything ever, and since everything on this wiki is part of that knowledge that composite human knows, does that mean that he has automatic prior knowledge vs everyone or do we ignore that?

 

[Wokistan]

We don't let CH appropriate knowledge like that. It's just assumed that these characters aren't fiction when up against them.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

CH itself is fictional anyway, so that would be getting into a bunch of meta stuff that nobody cares about; no prior knowledge is quicker.

Seriously tho, OP, equalize speed.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

"We don't assume IRL humans have souls, but they are still only 9-B."

Pretty sure we always assume any character has a soul unless it's something like a robot or an undead being, or that they have specifically been stated to lack a soul.

 

[Wokistan]

No, we specifically decided to not assume it for real life, since harsher proof standards and all. I can go look for the thread.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Now we're getting into complicated philosophical stuff about whether souls are real or not; can't you guys just use verse equalization and assume CH has a soul? Sounds easier.

 

[Hellbeast1]

^^

 

[Wokistan]

That's not how verse equalization works.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Then how does it work?

 

[Wokistan]

There needs to be some sort of equivalent thing to equalize in the first place. For example, with the weird Naruto techniques that only work on chakra users or whatever it is. Ki from Dragon Ball would be considered an equivalent force that can equalize. However, someone from a verse that rejects spirituality and doesn't have that sort of thing on its characters wouldn't be, since there is no similar mechanic in the first place.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

So if a verse never mentions souls at any point, all characters are immune to soul hax? I actually didn't know that.

 

[Wokistan]

Well usually there needs to be an implication that the verse lacks spirituality entirely for that sort of thing, or actively eschews the concept. Real Life is not a standard "verse", but I remember there being something about Medaka Box possibly qualifying. There's a verse I can't remember the name of where god straight up said "yeah I didn't make souls or any of that", so it would qualify too.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

That's...extremely dumb, if you ask me, but I wasn't there, so.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Not really. You can't equalize something that isn't there.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Oh, here we go with Real Life being treated different from every other verse for literally no reason; I hate when people do that.

 

[Wokistan]

Because it's real life, and as such we can apply more rigid proof standards. You can also calc stack for the real world, because physics actually works properly (hopefully).

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

"It's real life" is a terrible reason, since it is just a verse like any other, but whatever.

 

[Wokistan]

It isn't even a verse though. It isn't fictional. Real life proof standards exist, and there's no reason to not use them when applicable.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

It not being fictional really doesn't have anything to do with using a certain standard or not, there is no reason to treat real life any different from any other franchise, and I really don't get why people keep doing that in pretty much every site I go to.

 

[Wokistan]

Because the real world is different from fiction. Physics are not internally consistent there, fictional verses aren't as large as the real one and as such applying the same proof standards for every little thing fails, "outliers" aren't really a thing in real life, etc.

I personally don't like how we default to souls when it's just not addressed, but it is what it is.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Since the rule is a verse is assumed to have a soul unless there is evidence against it

Ch should have a soul as there has really not been a single study that disproves the existence of the soul

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

We're not talking about physics or outliers, we're talking about verse equalization.

 

[Kaltias]

There is a difference between saying "calc stacking works irl because physic works" and "this power that doesn't exist irl won't work because there is no proof that it would"

 

[Ogbunabali]

There's nothing proving souls exist. And assuming souls exist would be, well, headcanon.

 

[Wokistan]

I like how we've converted into "does real world have souls" thread

The issue with disproving souls is that it's attempting to prove a negative. First, proof would need to be shown they exist. We assume it for fiction for whatever reason but there's not really a reason to irl.

 

[Paul_Frank]

That's the rule that was agreed on though

Souls are assumed to exist unless there is evidence otherwise

 

[Kaltias]

There is nothing proving that concepts exist either, but I can grant you that this doesn't make CH immune to conceptual manipulation

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Can we get back on topic please? And equalize speed already dammit.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Seriously, if we use a "souls exist unless stated otherwise" rule for every verse, but we don't for this one because "it's real life" really doesn't make that much sense; what does it being real life have to do with the standards of the site? I get the outlier and calc stacking ones, since it being real life does affect those, but there are standards that aren't affected in any way whatsoever by the fact that it is real life, yet they aren't used for no reason.

 

[Wokistan]

The way concepts are defined proves them, especially type 4 stuff.

But why apply this to reality when other proof standards for similar topics are already a thing?

 

[Paul_Frank]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2404029?useskin=oasis

This is the thread btw and the conclusion was unless the verse denies the soul or disproves it that souls are assumed to exist

 

[Wokistan]

In the same thread, you can see people made an exception for IRL since we already have existing conventions there./

 

[Ogbunabali]

That thread doesn't look concluded in the slightest.