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pre-shippuden naruto
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Hwan vs Kakashi
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Oh, this is Hwan, lol. Gotcha. This is interesting though. I think clones would certain work against Kakashi here, as Hwan can one shot them and eat their existence, making him faster than Kakashi.
Though, I don't think he has any resistance to mind manip, and I can't recall how Kakashi's perception manipulation works. Though Hwan still has his numerous summons to give him a numbers advantage as well. And teleportation to take him out of any sticky situations.
However, I can't see Kakashi doing anything to be able to avoid the Black Sun.
I think this is inconclusive based upon that alone.
Though, I don't think he has any resistance to mind manip, and I can't recall how Kakashi's perception manipulation works. Though Hwan still has his numerous summons to give him a numbers advantage as well. And teleportation to take him out of any sticky situations.
However, I can't see Kakashi doing anything to be able to avoid the Black Sun.
I think this is inconclusive based upon that alone.
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well, I can clarify some things.
The clones don't really die in one hit, as naruto's showed when they gave black eye's to each other. They are subceptible to cutting damage tough.
The perception manipulation is done through genjutsu, and as such can be dispelled by fluctuating ones chakra and pain. Kakashi used it to make sakura see sasuke dieing while being knocked out until the duration of the illusion.
Kakashi has his own summons, but not as powerful and less numerous than Han's.
The clones don't really die in one hit, as naruto's showed when they gave black eye's to each other. They are subceptible to cutting damage tough.
The perception manipulation is done through genjutsu, and as such can be dispelled by fluctuating ones chakra and pain. Kakashi used it to make sakura see sasuke dieing while being knocked out until the duration of the illusion.
Kakashi has his own summons, but not as powerful and less numerous than Han's.
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Naruto's clones =/= Kakashi's clones. Naruto's clones have been consistently shown to be far superior to the clones of anyone else in the series. Likely because of Kurama's chakra.
Ah, gotcha. So it's tied in with his mind manipulation. Seems alright. Hwan hasn't demonstrated any resistance to mind manipulation, so it seems likely that it would work on Hwan. I'm still going to go inconclusive for the pure fact of The Black Sun, however, which I don't think Kakashi has an answer to.
Ah, gotcha. So it's tied in with his mind manipulation. Seems alright. Hwan hasn't demonstrated any resistance to mind manipulation, so it seems likely that it would work on Hwan. I'm still going to go inconclusive for the pure fact of The Black Sun, however, which I don't think Kakashi has an answer to.
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Naruto's clones =/= Kakashi's clones. Naruto's clones have been consistently shown to be far superior to the clones of anyone else in the series. Likely because of Kurama's chakra
No..? They are esplicitly the same, the only difference is the number of clones that can be made. It was never mentioned that his clones have anything special other than numbers, so that's a headcaon of yours. Or was it ever directly mentioned?
No..? They are esplicitly the same, the only difference is the number of clones that can be made. It was never mentioned that his clones have anything special other than numbers, so that's a headcaon of yours. Or was it ever directly mentioned?
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No, I'm just going based upon the feats. No one else's clones in the verse have shown the durability (or resiliency) that Naruto's clones have. Like, I literally can't think of anyone else's clones who worked like that. Now, it's my headcanon that assumes it's because of Kurama's chakra, but this doesn't change the fact that, featwise, only Naruto's clones work like that.
Regardless, Hwan can still one shot them due to his existence erasure hax, and grow stronger because of it. Same thing with Kakashi's summons. I think Kakashi's best bet is to use genjutsu. And Hwan's would be the Black Sun. The large AoE would make it difficult for Kakashi to escape, whereas Hwan has no resistance to mind manip.
Regardless, Hwan can still one shot them due to his existence erasure hax, and grow stronger because of it. Same thing with Kakashi's summons. I think Kakashi's best bet is to use genjutsu. And Hwan's would be the Black Sun. The large AoE would make it difficult for Kakashi to escape, whereas Hwan has no resistance to mind manip.
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Its the same skill, used in the same way with the same mechanics and with no reason to believe naruto's are better than anyone elses.
Yeah, not arguing that, just pointing it out.
Yeah, not arguing that, just pointing it out.
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Kakashi's clonse have been shown as well to be able to take more than one attack like in the Kakuzu fight
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Fair enough, though it's a rather extreme stretch to compare them to Naruto's clones.
Regardless, the point about the existence erasure into statistics amplification should still stand.
Regardless, the point about the existence erasure into statistics amplification should still stand.
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