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[Puppet43]

A CRT was recently accepted that showed both Yae Miko and Yumemizuki Mizuki scaling to the following meassures [6.02 Tons of TNT/34.56 m/s] which at first glance seems harmless, until one looks closely at certain Fools; The Fatuis, the ones who reach that level (High 8-C) are described as elite-level Fatuis. While the Fatuis who Chainscale Yae/Mizuki are the Fatui Skirmishers, who are mentioned as weaker and need to form teams to compensate for their lesser strength

Therefore, I ask that a distinction be made between the levels of both types of Fatuis in the following groups

Spoiler: Elite Fatuis

These would continue to scale to High 8-C/ 34.56 m/s because Pyro Agents have relativity to the Anemo Traveler, below I will state that Fatuis are considered "Elite Level"

• Pyro Agent Fatui / Cicin Mages: Stated in Geo Skirmisher Archive description
• Mirror Maiden: Stated to be a special force in the Fatuis
• Fatuis Operatives: Stated to be elite members of the Fatuis
• Oprichinki High tier: Another case of stated to be elite members

Spoiler: Non-Elite Fatuis

The non-elite Fatuis would be the others (Skirmishers and Oprichnik Low tiers) whom I propose to scale to the following measures

• Attack Potency: Building lvl (0.27 Tons of TNT); (Much weaker than the Fatui Agent Pyro, these prefer to attack in groups and are still capable of endangering characters like Gorou who is relative to Kujou Sara; she was easily able to defeat Arataki Itto, who can shatter a rock into pieces.)
• Speed: At most Subsonic (The characters in this tier should be at least fast enough to react to Pyro Skirmishers bullets)
• Lifting Strength: Class 5 (Itto, a character inferior to those who scale to Fatui Skirmishers is capable of tumbling down a tree, which in average weight between 1 - 5 tons)

Character that would scale to this:

• Arataki Itto: As the base of this tier
• The upcoming Fatui Skirmishers Bracers: For Obvious reasons
• Mona: Fought alongside Traveler against 2 Fatuis Skirmishers
• Hu Tao: Fights 3 Fatui Skirmishers in her trailer
• Tighnari: As shown here

This next character would get "8-C, possibly High 8-C" due to the fact that a Fatui elite was on the battlefield, do it is unknown how the fight went since its merely based on gameplay

• Sangonomiya Kokomi: Kokomi faced 1 Agent and 2 Skirmishers, but given the Traveler's inclusion on the team, it wouldn't be difficult to think that he faced the greater threat and Kokomi faced the Skirmishers.
• Kujou Sara: As previously mentioned, she scales to relativity with Gorou, which in his hangout mentions had fighting tall muscular fatuis in the past (At that point there was no Elite muscular Fatui) and we see him fighting alongside Traveler against those enemies)
• Yae Miko / Mizuki: Should upscale Sara as the strongests Yokais

Spoiler: Other stuff

• Starting with something simpler its Mona getting her precognition back (scan) because it was unjustifiably removed by Garrixian.
• Making the "Catalyst" part of the elemental page its own sub part, just because links often break when trying to implement them in the character profiles

Agree: @CaporalTheBig, @Natsuki012, LoudestProcedure; (Anything else =>) @Furina003, @InfiOthinus

Disagree: @MSahla; (Just Sara, Miko and Mizuki scaling =>)@InfiOthinus, @Furina003

Neutral:

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Aren't yall way past the 3 ungoing CRTs max rule for Genshin?

 

[Natsuki012]

Aren't yall way past the 3 ungoing CRTs max rule for Genshin?

Actually no, mine was closed yesterday, so there are 3 CRTs open, counting this one

 

[Puppet43]

Actually no, mine was closed yesterday, so there are 3 CRTs open, counting this one

Which one are the other 2? I know sahl has 1 open

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Inazuma when you ask their cast to reach building level

 

[Natsuki012]

A CRT was recently accepted that showed both Yae Miko and Yumemizuki Mizuki scaling to the following meassures [6.02 Tons of TNT/34.56 m/s] which at first glance seems harmless, until one looks closely at certain Fools; The Fatuis, the ones who reach that level (High 8-C) are described as elite-level Fatuis. While the Fatuis who Chainscale Yae/Mizuki are the Fatui Skirmishers, who are mentioned as weaker and need to form teams to compensate for their lesser strength

There's literally a Cicin Mage among the Fatui Skirmishers, so Sara and the other youkai should still be High 8-C

 

[Natsuki012]

Which one are the other 2? I know sahl has 1 open

yours and this one

 

[Puppet43]

yours and this one

tought was already close

There's literally a Cicin Mage among the Fatui Skirmishers, so Sara and the other youkai should still be High 8-C

I could still use the same argument as for Kokomi

Kokomi faced 1 Agent and 2 Skirmishers, but given the Traveler's inclusion on the team, it wouldn't be difficult to think that he faced the greater threat and Kokomi faced the Skirmishers.

There were around 4 skirmishers and 1 Elite, so yeah most likely Traveler dealt with the big threath, since Inazuma Traveler was more than capable (and the past statment neither saves this because Gorou says he fought 4 muscular tall fatuis, of the fatuis added up to Inazuma, just the Anemo/Electro skirmishers could be tought as tall and muscular)

 

[Puppet43]

Inazuma when you ask their cast to reach building level

then u have average Nod Kranian fighting Rerir and Dottore

 

[Furina003]

The strongest youkai and general of the raiden shogun force is not even comparable to a fatui agent

Kujou Sara: Hey!
Paimon: Huh!? Kujou Sara? You're back so soon!
Icon Dialogue Talk White (Good thing Tartaglia's not here...)
Icon Dialogue Talk White (...or things might get out of hand real fast.)
Kujou Sara: Not soon enough, we spent a long time chasing those monsters down. They were cunning, and surprisingly good at evading us.

Traveler is even worried if Kujou Sara meets Childe, because it might lead to circumstances beyond his control. Yes, this definitely refers to a battle, due to the tragedy in the Inazuna Archon Quest, where Kujou Sara was hunting the Fatui who spread delusions.

So, indirectly, Traveler assumes that Kujou Sara is strong enough to fight in basic Childe mode.

I mean, sometimes we also have to consider the hierarchy established in the game. Is it possible that a general of the Raiden Shogun elite troops is even weaker than the Fatui?

Yeah, I disagree with Yaemiko and Kujou Sara. They should be comparable to the Fatui elite and deserve to be in the H8C tier.

 

[Puppet43]

Yes, this definitely refers to a battle,

Or maybe the fact that:

• Tartaglia is a battle maniac and wants to test everyone's strength (just because he wants to fight someone doesnt mean they equals)
• Tartaglia illegaly enter in Inazuma
• Tartaglia is tied with a faction that killed a lot of Inazuma civilians and was corruption the goverment (Shogun)
• Also maybe cause Sara could be mad, yk a harbinger litterally knock her down

Is it possible that a general of the Raiden Shogun elite troops is even weaker than the Fatui?

It isnt like most of the troops are made of visionless humans with training while the average fatui has a delusion and elemental weapons

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

Following. I will give my input after more discussion betweeen supporters and opposition.

 

[Furina003]

Or maybe the fact that:

• Tartaglia is a battle maniac and wants to test everyone's strength (just because he wants to fight someone doesnt mean they equals)
• Tartaglia illegaly enter in Inazuma
• Tartaglia is tied with a faction that killed a lot of Inazuma civilians and was corruption the goverment (Shogun)
• Also maybe cause Sara could be mad, yk a harbinger litterally knock her down

Rather, from the traveler's perspective it would be something beyond his control, implying equality between Childe and Kujou Sara.

It isnt like most of the troops are made of visionless humans with training while the average fatui has a delusion and elemental weapons

using delusions doesn't guarantee he's stronger, teppei even used delusions.
But that doesn't mean we can consider him stronger than Garou.

 

[Puppet43]

Rather, from the traveler's perspective it would be something beyond his control, implying equality between Childe and Kujou Sara.

Yeah, its beyond Traveler control because he doesnt have control over the goverment of neither Snezhnaya or Inazuma, if came to fighting Traveler in his electro key could easily knock down Sara (Since he is superior to Signora, which could already do that) and currently Tartaglia post liyue its scaling to Electro Traveler... so yeah Sara wouldnt stand a chance

using delusions doesn't guarantee he's stronger, teppei even used delusions.

Average human vs human train especifically for being able to handle delusions

 

[MSahla]

To think that the strongest Youkai and a general of the Raiden Shogun who taught her how to fight directly, and even possibly taught how to use one of the Raiden Gokaden's sword-techniques are weaker than just a mere fatui soldiers is crazy.

I mean, Sara alone as the highest general in the Shogunate but weaker than Kamisato family is just ridiculous. They should have hierarchy between them, and Sara would logically the closest person to the Raiden Shogun in the military.

Ei barely trusts anyone. The fact that she entrusts Yae with divine responsibilities already implies extraordinary capability than a mere humans could do.

Hierarchically alone Yae Miko and Sara are above both Kamisato siblings. We're talking about hierarchy here in Inazuma. And so therefore they should be at least comparable in rating.

 

[Furina003]

Yeah, its beyond Traveler control because he doesnt have control over the goverment of neither Snezhnaya or Inazuma, if came to fighting Traveler in his electro key could easily knock down Sara (Since he is superior to Signora, which could already do that) and currently Tartaglia post liyue its scaling to Electro Traveler... so yeah Sara wouldnt stand a chance

Inazuma traveler is stronger than Sara, while he only received training from Yaemiko and also Kujou Sara hunted him and wanted to punish him when he met at Yaemiko's shrine in the Inazuma quest. Someone who can defeat her easily but always runs away from Kujou Sara's pursuit is something that doesn't make sense, the traveler could have defeated her if traveler was stronger and luckily at that time the traveler was protected by Yae Miko so Kujou Sara didn't catch him, otherwise the traveler might have been caught by Kujou Sara. So it doesn't make sense if we put Kujou Sara much weaker than Inazuma traveler before training, because the traveler himself always avoided Kujou Sara.

I am Kujou Sara. You may forget my name, but this you must know: On my watch, Inazuma will always be defended, and the will of the Shogun will always be done. Deity or demon, if you make an enemy of me you will be struck down! Oh, ahem... Don't be so nervous. I have agreed to fight by your side, and I will honor that commitment. I may be uncompromising on matters of great importance, but on most other things, you will find me quite easygoing.

Even in this text, it is clearly stated that Kujou Sara could have defeated Traveler if she had challenged the Raiden Shogun's orders, but Kujou Sara decided to fight by Traveler's side.

Yes, again and again, while we can't assume Kujou Sara is stronger than Inazuma Traveler, this text actually implies that Kujou Sara is comparable to Inazuma Traveler.

Average human vs human train especifically for being able to handle delusions

Yes, this is what I want to convey to you, delusion does not make character A stronger than character B only because character A uses delusion character B does not.

It depends on who the user is, youkai are supernatural creatures of Inazuma that can be compared to the adeptus in Liyue, they are creatures that are already physically stronger than humans, they can even control elementals without vision. So assuming that Fatui agents are stronger than Kujou Sara or Yaemiko is unreasonable, because Kunjou Sara and Yaemiko can be compared to previous youkai such as Sasayuri or Chiyo.

 

[Natsuki012]

tought was already close

I could still use the same argument as for Kokomi

There were around 4 skirmishers and 1 Elite, so yeah most likely Traveler dealt with the big threath, since Inazuma Traveler was more than capable (and the past statment neither saves this because Gorou says he fought 4 muscular tall fatuis, of the fatuis added up to Inazuma, just the Anemo/Electro skirmishers could be tought as tall and muscular)

this is a baseless argument, you need actual evidence to say that gorou only faced the Skirmishers and not the Elite. Put me on disagree

 

[MSahla]

I disagree when we start to put Yae Miko below Ayato and Ayaka since the first place. So now I'll disagree as well.

There's no reason to put Sara and Yae Miko below both Ayaka and Ayato, since hierarchically they're above the latter.

 

[Natsuki012]

There's no reason to put Sara and Yae Miko below both Ayaka and Ayato, since hierarchically they're above the latter.

we can talk about this in another thread to not derail

 

[MSahla]

we can talk about this in another thread to not derail

I'll make one then, just to put the real Justice to my og waifu Miko

 

[Puppet43]

Hierarchically alone Yae Miko and Sara are above both Kamisato siblings. We're talking about hierarchy here in Inazuma. And so therefore they should be at least comparable in rating.


There's no reason to put Sara and Yae Miko below both Ayaka and Ayato, since hierarchically they're above the latter.

By Hierarchy alone we can make Keqing/Ningguang/Yelan above Shenhe
Powerscalers when they have to compare feats instead of their headcanon hierarchy that only applies in job and not in power

the traveler could have defeated her if traveler was stronger and luckily at that time the traveler was protected by Yae Miko so Kujou Sara didn't catch him

The only reason Traveler didnt do anything is because of law (litterally most wanted criminal in Inazuma) and because he is not an edgy dude who just beats everything of his path, he first tries the most calmed way

So it doesn't make sense if we put Kujou Sara much weaker than Inazuma traveler before training, because the traveler himself always avoided Kujou Sara.

Kujou Sara vs Signora
Signora vs Traveler
Like u straight up cant be serious about "But Traveler run away" as if he didnt defeated a character that is implied to had oneshot Sara

Even in this text, it is clearly stated that Kujou Sara could have defeated Traveler if she had challenged the Raiden Shogun's orders, but Kujou Sara decided to fight by Traveler's side.

She never implies the slightiest of that, she only says "Deity/Demon i would struck anything in that is my enemy" clearly an hyperbolic statment, since yk a 8th Harbinger which aint even close to deity lvl unlike Arle, Dottore or Bina litterally oneshotted her

because Kunjou Sara and Yaemiko can be compared to previous youkai such as Sasayuri or Chiyo.

Based on what?
Because let me remind you really quick, Chiyo did worst than Traveler in facing 1 of Ei sword attacks (Chiyo litterally was cutted with no effort, while Traveler do unconsciouness was still in one piece)

this is a baseless argument, you need actual evidence to say that gorou only faced the Skirmishers

I already did man here =>

(and the past statment neither saves this because Gorou says he fought 4 muscular tall fatuis, of the fatuis added up to Inazuma, just the Anemo/Electro skirmishers could be tought as tall and muscular)

 

[Puppet43]

This is genuinely the only verse where you'll see character A lose very easily against character B, who had a fight with character C, and people will somehow have the nerve to tell you that character A is relative to or superior to C.
Or you could invent a hierarchy that only applies to the working world, because applying your logic Sahl, Superman is weaker than the news agency he works for. Just because the character you like doesn't have enough feats to even be close to Bennett

 

[PedjaTarzan]

This is genuinely the only verse where you'll see character A lose very easily against character B, who had a fight with character C, and people will somehow have the nerve to tell you that character A is relative to or superior to C.
Or you could invent a hierarchy that only applies to the working world, because applying your logic Sahl, Superman is weaker than the news agency he works for. Just because the character you like doesn't have enough feats to even be close to Bennett

yall pushed for low 5-B for this exact reason and it passed

 

[Puppet43]

yall pushed for low 5-B for this exact reason and it passed

WHY U THINK IM REWORKING THIS FROM THE BASE UP TO GOD TIERS?

 

[MSahla]

By Hierarchy alone we can make Keqing/Ningguang/Yelan above Shenhe

Lmao. Shenhe was never part of the Liyue Qixing or even the Millelith whatsoever, while Ayaka, Ayato, Sara and Yae Miko are technically part of the Shogunate especially the first three. So using Shenhe to Yelan Ningguang and Keqing are false analogy.

Shenhe is just working at the Wanmin Restaurant, and she has her master taught her how to fight.

Powerscalers when they have to compare feats instead of their headcanon hierarchy that only applies in job and not in power

Says who? The Shogunate is also a military, lol.

 

[Puppet43]

Lmao. Shenhe was never part of the Liyue Qixing

And we all know Liyue Qixing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liyue, thats why they are the goverment. In fact lets upscale Keqing to Osial

The Shogunate is also a military, lol.

Yae has never done anything military; she has always been independent of the Shogunate (She litterally wrote Yuri fan fics before doing something even related to combat). And not all clans specialize in weaponry/military work. We know perfectly well from the events of the Archon Quest and the legendary mission that the Yashiro Commission specializes in festivals.

 

[Natsuki012]

Lmao. Shenhe was never part of the Liyue Qixing or even the Millelith whatsoever, while Ayaka, Ayato, Sara and Yae Miko are technically part of the Shogunate especially the first three. So using Shenhe to Yelan Ningguang and Keqing are false analogy.

Shenhe is just working at the Wanmin Restaurant, and she has her master taught her how to fight.

Says who? The Shogunate is also a military, lol.

Hierarchy in this context is not about strength at all, so i don't get why did you brought up this

I already did man here =>

Yeah gorou fought skirmishers before; still doesn't change the fact he battled against an elite

 

[MSahla]

And we all know Liyue Qixing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liyue, thats why they are the goverment. In fact lets upscale Keqing to Osial

Holy larp.
Sure, Ningguang and Keqing > Xiao and other Adepti.

Liyue Qixing is just the government of Liyue, and not all people inside there necessarily have to be stronger than anyone in Liyue.

Yae has never done anything military; she has always been independent of the Shogunate.

Yet she's literally the right hand of the Raiden Shogun and have trusted to keep the Gnosis.
So “Yae never did military work” does not prove inferiority to Ayato, Sara, or Ayaka.

Even highly skilled humans like those three are still fundamentally mortal Vision users.
Yae Miko, meanwhile, belongs to the same category of beings as powerful the Adepti, because, in fact, Youkai are actually originates from Liyue.

No narrative evidence places Ayaka, Ayato, or Sara clearly above Yae in overall power. If anything, the lore heavily implies the opposite.

And not all clans specialize in weaponry/military work.

Bro's never heard of Raiden Gokaden that basically taught by the Shogun how to do a blacksmith thing and a sword techniques such as Isshin Art, Fushu Art, and etc.

We know perfectly well from the events of the Archon Quest and the legendary mission that the Yashiro Commission specializes in festivals.

That is their work outside of the military. Literally the leader of the Yashiro Commission, which is Ayato, is part of the military. This is so obvious.

 

[MSahla]

Hierarchy in this context is not about strength at all, so i don't get why did you brought up this

Yes it is? This is literally the military.

 

[CaporalTheBig]

Stocky guys statement is fine i think i agree with the changes but ill see later

 

[Puppet43]

Hierarchy in this context is not about strength at all, so i don't get why did you brought up this

Yeah gorou fought skirmishers before; still doesn't change the fact he battled against an elite

But Traveler was there too, but yk what, i could give "Possibly High 8C" to anyone scaling to Gorou, due to the fact we dont know how the fight really played out (Not proofing neither my assumption nor yours)

Liyue Qixing is just the government of Liyue, and not all people inside there necessarily have to be stronger than anyone in Liyue.

Same case for ur example with the Inazuma Comissions
Holy autoconcede

Yet she's literally the right hand of the Raiden Shogun and have trusted to keep the Gnosis.
So “Yae never did military work” does not prove inferiority to Ayato, Sara, or Ayaka.

In any case you would have to proof she is even on the same lvl as them (Ayato/Ayaka), not the other way around

Even highly skilled humans like those three are still fundamentally mortal Vision users

U say this with confidance as if we didnt saw humans with visions having relativity to strong gods/Archons or even beyond

No narrative evidence places Ayaka, Ayato

1 word: FEATS

That is their work outside of the military. Literally the leader of the Yashiro Commission, which is Ayato, is part of the military. This is so obvious.

Burden of proof

Yes it is? This is literally the military.

Guys, i guess.
I guess Lohen is below Eula, Lisa and Kaeya. Even do they tell us 60 times he was relatives to said characters just because of Hierchy

 

[Natsuki012]

Holy larp.
Sure, Ningguang and Keqing > Xiao and other Adepti.

Liyue Qixing is just the government of Liyue, and not all people inside there necessarily have to be stronger than anyone in Liyue.

he's being sarcastic

Yae Miko, meanwhile, belongs to the same category of beings as powerful the Adepti, because, in fact, Youkai are actually originates from Liyue.

Youkai being from liyue doesn't make them relative to the adepti?

Yes it is? This is literally the military.

You know that strength isn't the only thing that matters in the military, right?

 

[Puppet43]

Youkai being from liyue doesn't make them relative to the adepti?

Yokais aren't even from Liyue; the wikipedia just say they are "Akin" basscily saying they are share similarities because at end of day; immortal beings with supernatural powers

 

[Natsuki012]

But Traveler was there too, but yk what, i could give "Possibly High 8C" to anyone scaling to Gorou, due to the fact we dont know how the fight really played out (Not proofing neither my assumption nor yours)

i would prefer the full High 8C rating, but i don't really mind this option

 

[Puppet43]

i would prefer the full High 8C rating, but i don't really mind this option

So i change ur vote to agree/neutral?

 

[Natsuki012]

So i change ur vote to agree/neutral?

sure

 

[MSahla]

Same case for ur example with the Inazuma Comissions
Holy autoconcede

Not really? The Liyue Qixing is the Government, while The Millelith is the Military in Liyue.

What is Inazuma's? Both the Shogunate and Tri-Commissions are governing Inazuma even though the former is more focus on Military.

Youkai being from liyue doesn't make them relative to the adepti?

Same type of beings? Both beings are supernatural creatures and many more similarities.

You know that strength isn't the only thing that matters in the military, right?

But we're talking about strength? How can the Shogun's general is inferior than someone who's only part of the Shogunate and just the leader of the commission?

 

[Natsuki012]

Same type of beings? Both beings are supernatural creatures and many more similarities.

Ganyu and Xiao are both adepti, yet one is much stronger than the other
By your logic, Venti and Orobashi should be relative since they are both gods

But we're talking about strength? How can the Shogun's general is inferior than someone who's only part of the Shogunate and just the leader of the commission?

Sara is a general mostly due to her leadership skills

 

[PedjaTarzan]

so simple crt got turned into this mess…oh god

 

[MSahla]

Ganyu and Xiao are both adepti, yet one is much stronger than the other
By your logic, Venti and Orobashi should be relative since they are both gods

Literally the lore tells you infront of your face in the early of Liyue AQ that Ganyu is half Human and Half Adeptus.

Sara is a general mostly due to her leadership skills

Not really? Her lore and character stories describe how rigorously she trained herself to become stronger and worthy of serving the Raiden Shogun, not just her leadership. If it's just a leadership, hell, i even think Ayato has a better leadership.

Even during the Vision Hunt Decree, she directly confronted resistance forces, and handled military conflicts herself.