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I have an info about Alien X's speed.

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In Ben 10 Alien Force Season 1 Episode 13 "X = Ben + 2"

Link: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hklj3

At 10:43

When Pluto was destroyed Ben, Bellicus and Serena can see that Pluto inside Alien X has been destroyed as well.


Again, in Ben 10 Omniverse Season 1 Episode 7 "So Long, and Thanks for All the Smoothies"

Link: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3t4t5u

At 19:28

When the universe is destroyed, you can see that universe inside Alien X has been destroyed as well.


Could this be that Alien X is Omnipresent or Nigh-Omnipresent within the universe? Because it's look like Alien X is one with the universe.

Well, seemed like...

Speed: Infinite (Celestialsapiens are born in and live in the Forge of Creation, a place where time does not exist), Omnipresent within their universe.

or

Speed: Infinite (Celestialsapiens are born in and live in the Forge of Creation, a place where time does not exist). Nigh-Omnipresent within their universe.
 
1) Time does exist in the Forge of Creation. The official quote from Prof Paradox is "It is enclosed by a Chronal Randomization Barrier. It is out of sync with all time."

2) Even then, there is another much simpler feat of Alien X's infinite speed: after the universe was completely destroyed by the Annihilarg, Alien X was able to still move without time, which I believe translates to infinite speed. We know the Annihilarg destroys time itself as well, since if used in an empty void, it creates a universe, and thus births time for that universe.
 
He could have immeasurable because one of the creators said he exists simultaneously through every point in time and alternate time lines
 
FTW SLiCK said:
He could have immeasurable because one of the creators said he exists simultaneously through every point in time and alternate time lines
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Source? Alien X should scale to Paradox anyway, who is stated to exist outside of time. Paradox has frequently said they are omnipotent, Azmuth has said " they can do anything" we have no reason to believe they cant exist outside of time if Paradox can
 
We don't give infinite speed based off of 1 feat due to it being potentially very inconsistent and needed to be treated on a case by case basis.

Considering the fact that Celestialsapiens naturally live in a place where time exists (Forge of Creation has time, it's just out of sync with the rest of the universe's time), and they can age, they are very clearly bound by time. Which immediately disqualifies them having infinite speed.
 
I doubt aging will disqualify infinite speed. That said, this feat likely isn't valid because of timeless voids needing elaboration on whether they require infinite speed to move in
 
If you age, you are bound by time.

Being infinite in speed means time is irrelevant to you since you can move or exist where there isnt time.
 
Infinite speed means either you can move anywhere in 0 time or that you can move in a place without time, it does not mean you as a whole do not experience progression or are above the effects of time
 
Then why are Infinite Speed characters considered being able to no-sell and resist time manipulation? Of if you can truly move/exist in a place without time, why would you still experience it when in a setting with time?
 
When the universal bomb went off the time and space was destroyed and alien x was able to move his arms and the forge of creation doesn't have time or space because it is outside the omniverse and it's just a void and if parodax isn't affected by time neither is alien x so I don't know why your saying it's inconsistent when he has shown feats like that multiple times
 
And superboy prime also defeated the living immbodyment of time but he still aged so saying he can't have infinite speed because he ages is just false when there are multiple characters in fiction who have infinite and immeasurable speed but they still age
 
Fair enough then.

But im still disagreeing with the upgrade. Alien X existing in erased space-time is as consistent as Zen'o doing the same thing and we don't give him infinite speed for this very reason.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Then why are Infinite Speed characters considered being able to no-sell and resist time manipulation? Of if you can truly move/exist in a place without time, why would you still experience it when in a setting with time?
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If it's time stop I assume because infinite speed means moving without any passage of time, which directly counters the ability

I'm fairly certain infinite speed characters aren't assumed to no sell time reversal or paradoxes by default
 
Time stop powers don't give u infinite speed, the reason why paradox has it is because he is always traveling through every point of time and because he has to make sure the time and space continuem is not being changed and parodox has been inside the forge of creation
 
Because with time stop there is time and space it's just frozen and to have infinite speed time has to be completely non existent
 
Infinite Speed (Able to move indefinitely while time literally stands still, travel anywhere instantly, or move an infinite distance within a finite amount of time. Teleportation does not count.

That's the official requirement for Infinite Speed on this wiki. You can't argue with it.
 
That is not the definition of infinite speed, Alien X doesn't transcend time, having a bunch of time manip doesn't have anything to do with transcending time or having infinite speed unless its time stop and you explicitly don't have resistance to it.
 
@AnonymousBlack That was copied straight from the Speed page on THIS wiki. So unless its outdated, its the correct definition.
 
This wiki is unreliable and I only have an account on this so I could debunk the dum crap people say and u have infinite speed when time is non existence and u can move and alien x has shown feats like that so he is speed should be upgraded to infinite
 
@Dragonic

My comment wasn't directed at you but Slick. I missed your comment since I never refreshed the page before posting.
 
There not inconsistent if he has shown it multiple times and do u look at what u type "infinite speed feats aren't feats" and it's just illogical to say other speed feats count as feats but not infinite

Sped feats: when the universe bomb went of it destroyed its time and space continuum and he was able to move his arms

Is able to move inside the forge of creation which is outside The omniverse and u have to be a multi dimensional being to access it or if u have the map of infinity which was created by a multi dimensional being

And he scales off of parodox who is a time walker and is constantly traveling through different points of time and has time stopping powers

His other aliens like clockwork can stop the time because the Contemelia where able to do it and they are the same species as clockwork and can make themselves faster than time

So I'm pretty sure this is more than enough proof
 
And saying he doesn't have infinite speed even tho he has shown it multiple times is just false and a bunch of down play
 
>Sped feats: when the universe bomb went of it destroyed its time and space continuum and he was able to move his arms

Inconsistent. Zen'ō did the same thing in Dragon Ball Super and we don't give him Infinite Speed either for it being a huge outlier and its the same here. Upgrading Alien X for the same thing would be a big double standard.

>Is able to move inside the forge of creation which is outside The omniverse

Not a speed feat. The Forge of Creation has time within it, it's just out of sync with time everywhere else. Moving inside of it doesn't grant you any speed feats in any way, shape or form.

>And he scales off of parodox who is a time walker and is constantly traveling through different points of time and has time stopping powers

Also not a speed feat. Paradox does this with time traveling, aka the Chrono Navigator. He doesn't travel through time with sheer speed, otherwise he would have had Immeasurable Speed.

And time stopping has nothing to do with immeasurable speed.

>His other aliens like clockwork can stop the time because the Contemelia where able to do it

See above

So yeah, no upgrade at all.
 
The wiki lists Paradox as having infinite speed for existing outside of time and being acasual, and since Paradox considers Celestialsapiens superior to him in every way, there is no reason they shouldnt scale from him.
 
Actually, Paradox being infinite in speed seems to be a very big inconsistency too.

For one, Acasuality has nothing to do with being infinite in speed. So half of that justification is flawed. And two, Paradox has been explicitly tagged and captured by beings who aren't infinite in speed themselves, like Eon.

So if anything, Paradox needs to be downgraded rather than scale Alien X.
 
Paradox has been stated to exists outside of time 2 times,

At 16:42 in Ben 10 Alien Force episode "Paradox"and at 18:00 in the same episode. He was shown to be immune to a permanent timestop at 6:10 in Omniverse episode "lets do the time war again".

When was Paradox ever tagged by characters other than Eon? Considering Paradox was able to trap Eon in a single timeline and prevent him from using most of his time power, it would make sense if Eon could the same with him. Which would explain why Paradox never slowed down time, stopped time, traveled back in time, teleported, BFR'ed Eon or aged him up or down. Those are all feats that has has shown but never did at any point against Eon. So his fight with Eon is either an outlier, cis or Eon can negate most of his time power.
 
Parodox was never captured by eon

Zeno only has 1 speed feat and is overall all inconsistent and Ben hasn't shown inconsistency with alien x

And it was confirmed by Duncan Rouleau who is part of man of action and said on host twitter Celestiapiens transcend time

And parodox exists simultaneously throughout alternate time lines

And eon has his own time powers as well
 
>At 16:42 in Ben 10 Alien Force episode "Paradox"and at 18:00 in the same episode. He was shown to be immune to a permanent timestop at 6:10 in Omniverse episode "lets do the time war again".

Time-stop resistance. Simple.

>When was Paradox ever tagged by characters other than Eon? Considering Paradox was able to trap Eon in a single timeline and prevent him from using most of his time power, it would make sense if Eon could the same with him.

Eon literally cut Paradoxes arm off and took him into another dimension to interrogate him into giving him the Chrono Navigator. And Eon isn't infinite in speed.

>Which would explain why Paradox never slowed down time, stopped time, traveled back in time, teleported, BFR'ed Eon or aged him up or down. Those are all feats that has has shown but never did at any point against Eon. So his fight with Eon is either an outlier, cis or Eon can negate most of his time power.

None of this has anything to do with Infinite Speed. Using time powers to do feats =/= infinite speed.

>Parodox was never captured by eo

See above. He was. Eon interrogated him to get the Chrono Navigator.

>Zeno only has 1 speed feat

And so does Ailen X. If anything, Zeno has more speed feats from what his page says alone. Alien X's speed comes from scaling to Celestialsapiens who travel interplanetary distances and quickly grow to the size of galaxies. 1 single infinite speed feat coming out of nowhere is very inconsistent.

>And it was confirmed by Duncan Rouleau who is part of man of action and said on host twitter Celestiapiens transcend time

Which is hyperbole since Celestialsapien's naturally inhabit a place that is very muchso within time, the Forge of Creation. And even then, "transcends time" means nothing more than time hax resistance.

Hit was stated to transcend time. Gets nothing more than MFTL+ speed.

>And parodox exists simultaneously throughout alternate time lines

Temporal Omnipresence.

>And eon has his own time powers as well

Has nothing to do with speed. Again.
 
it was only shown 1 time that Celestiapiens can grow to the size of a galaxy and that was in combat and he has only shown 1 MFTL+ in combat so ur contradicting ur self and alien x hasn't shown to be inconsistent while Zeno has because it has been shown there are different versions of him from different points of time and eon never caught parodox and the hit statement is from the show not the author and u can't assume it's a hyperbole and if u have time stop hax resistance you have infinite speed
 
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