Ice Queen vs Fire Queen

[Epsilon_R]

6-B Esdeath and Pre-Timeskip Mereoleona are used

Speed is equalized

Mereoleona: 3

Esdeath: 0

Inconclusive :

 

[helello100]

Mereoleona via ftl speed and considiring teigus are made with magic it will nullify the timestop with her ability and she has spatial manipulation too

 

[Schnee_One]

Speed is equal and how does that give her time resistance?

 

[Epsilon_R]

Bump

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

It depends if Mereoleona can nullify time stop, if not then if she can kill Esdeath before she activates time stop.

Any feats that suggests Mereoleona can cancel time stop? If Esdeath notices that her ice gets burned away, then she'll probably activate time stop when Mereoleona is not generating any fire just to be sure.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Mana Zone GG.

 

[Schnee_One]

So looking at the AP doesn't Mer have a massive AP advantage?

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

From what I see:
Esdeath is at least and likely higher than 22.58 Teratons with the Ice Storm Commander in Chief amp.
Mereoleona is at least 16.96 Teratons, but goes higher with Hellfire Incarnate and far higher with Mana Zone Full Release.

 

[Schnee_One]

Nvm I guess either Esdeath is far superior or their about equal friending on Mer’s scaling chain

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Still, what does Esdeath do about Mana Zone?

 

[Schnee_One]

I dunno what mana zone is, what does she do about time stop? Can she null time stop in her series?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Mereleona can't do anything about time stop. But from the looks of it, she doesn't have to.

Given Esdeath's sadistic nature, as per her profile, she's likely to drag the fight and probably not use it until the end. That's a very big mistake, considering Mereo gets stuff done the moment the fight starts. Mana Zone is an ability where the user takes mana from the surrounding area to use far more powerful spells, gain a boost in all-stats (capable of blitzing people comparable), flight, and AOE magic that spawns in or on you. Given Mereoleona can burn water (her weakness), ice, and fire (her own element), I see no reason why she doesn't burn through any ice Esdeath tries.

 

[Schnee_One]

Esdeath is a ****** so she won’t use it unless absolutely necessary, but she doesn’t let her opponents hit her without using it, she’s still above just underestimating opponents and letting them get hits in.

That being said, Mana zone seems incredibly dangerous and I can’t see Esdeath reacting in time, so I think she loses this one.

(Also how is Julius fair if she’s losing to this fine lady)

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Not even counting that she can stack this with Hellfire Incarnate and release her full Mana Zone.

 

[Schnee_One]

Voting for Fire Wife

 

[Epsilon_R]

(Also how is Julius fair if she’s losing to this fine lady)

i think it was when Julius was still Low 7-B, so she could AP stomp.

 

[Worthless]

I vote for mereoleona. Superior AP and With Mana zone she can probably exclude herself from time stop. Her time stop is base on ice manipulation righ? I don't see why not?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Her time stop is base on ice manipulation righ? I don't see why not?

Honestly I'm not sure, I think it is more like a hyperbole, she can ''freeze time'' cuz she has ice powers, however, I dont think that fire manip can cancel Esdeath time stop. as I said, it being part of just ice manip seems like a hyperbole to the fact that she can freeze things, but maybe im wrong

 

[Worthless]

It is part of her freezing things. after all her main power is all about freezing stuffs, i dont see any feats suggesting its not part of her ice manipulation. So yeah mana zone can prob exclude herself from that.

 

[Schnee_One]

She has no feats of nullifying time stop.

But who cares she wins with it without it

 

[Worthless]

But her Time stop is base on Ize manipulation. But whatever.

 

[Bernkastelll]

But her Time stop is base on Ize manipulation. But whatever.

Yeh? She can use ice hax to stop time, Mereoleona has no ways to counter it

 

[Worthless]

Yeh? She can use ice hax to stop time, Mereoleona has no ways to counter it

Mereo can burn space types attacks. (Theoritically can also burn magic of lilith which can freeze even concepts)

 

[Schnee_One]

Effecting a concept with hax isn’t a feat of hax anymore after seeing that discussed with DontTalk

 

[Worthless]

How so? As i know some hax can even effect NEP 2

 

[Schnee_One]

And that’s a feat of them effecting NEP type 2, not a feat of potency.

This is kind of a pointless discussion anyway, she wins regardless.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Mereo can burn space types attacks. (Theoritically can also burn magic of lilith which can freeze even concepts)

Still no resistance to time stop

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Mereo can burn space types attacks. (Theoritically can also burn magic of lilith which can freeze even concepts)

Absolutely not, Mereo is leagues below Lilith.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Mereo doesn't resist time stop

0-3

 

[Worthless]

Still no resistance to time stops

Still her time stop is base on Ice manipulation and she could melt even space types attacks and yeah like i said about. And i guess she could even burn some normal time magic of julius

 

[Schnee_One]

Yes its based on ice manipulation, doesn't mean you can null ice based time stop without feats

<Knowing Julius's time magic

Stop

 

[Worthless]

She do have a feats. Like burning spatial attacks. As i know Space isnt that different than Time. And wdym by stop? And yeah i too know that it accelerate someone age but doesnt mean you cant null it?

 

[Schnee_One]

Burning a space time attack doesn't fully mean a universal scale time stop

This doesn't really matter tho cause she wins whether or not she nulls

 

[Bernkastelll]

Still her time stop is base on Ice manipulation and she could melt even space types attacks and yeah like i said about. And i guess she could even burn some normal time magic of julius

you're basically saying that if I have resistance to fire, I can resist fire attacks that are able to destroy concepts, doesnt matter if Esdeath time stop is via her ice manip, it still stop time

 

[Worthless]

The thing is that time isn't concept (its not like esdeath can freeze concept of time right?) and destroying time-space is a normal feats in fictions. And Yes, it does matters. already shown she could burn spatial attacks and Mana zone is a spatial base attack itselt. Also i dont get the other dude how we ended up with universal time stop.

 

[Bernkastelll]

The thing is that time isn't concept (its not like esdeath can freeze concept of time right?) and destroying time-space is a normal feats in fictions. And Yes, it does matters. already shown she could burn spatial attacks and Mana zone is a spatial base attack itselt. Also i dont get the other dude how we ended up with universal time stop.

1-Time is a concept, and no, Esdeath doesnt affect the concept of time, wdym?
2-destroying space-time is common in fiction, yeh, whats the point? How does Mereoleona being able to affect spatial attacks means that she can deal with time stop?

 

[Worthless]

Not really sure about that tho.

1-Time is a concept, and no, Esdeath doesnt affect the concept of time, wdym?

The thing is, is her time freezing is base on ice manipulation and mereo can just burn it. It works on spatial which practically not that much different than the time itselt.

2-destroying space-time is common in fiction, yeh, whats the point? How does Mereoleona being able to affect spatial attacks means that she can deal with time stop?

 

[Bernkastelll]

The thing is, is her time freezing is base on ice manipulation and mereo can just burn it. It works on spatial which practically not that much different than the time itselt.

She doesnt, unless you're arguing that Mereoleona has similar feats to Natsu that literally burn time attacks, it working on spatial things doesnt means that it work on time.

 

[Schnee_One]

<People are still arguing even though Mereoleona wins either way

Really guys?

 

[Epsilon_R]

Bump