Ichigo dangai form and vaste lorde form discussion

[Zoro21043]

How many times stronger do you think dangai ichigo is compared to vaste lorde ichigo that faught ulquiorra , aizen said all the espada combined would be inferior to him back at fake karakura town when he sliced hallibel , and kubo said he imagined ulquirra vs ichigo would be closer to what we saw at start of hellverse , and we saw ulquirra be able to throw vaste lorde ichigo so the power gap shouldnt be as huge as the anime showed but closer , and ulquirra is arguablly relative to stark with segunda etapa , and aizen deffintally knew about ulquirras second release because he told ichigo that he had planned all his battles up until now at fkt(fake karakura town), so aizen was stronger than all espadas + segunda etapa ulquirra based on that , so shikai aizen should be relative to vaste lorde ichigo . And then aizen goes through multiple transformations until he fights dangai ichigo , when aizen turn into flyzen he says that his sword has now started merging with his arm/hand and that it is a new trancsended form indicating that it is superior to bankai , and a bankai is usually a 5-10 times multiplier as this was superior to bankai lets say this gave aizen a 10 times multiplier from his shikai , and he still cant sense ichigos reiatsu (as he still thought ichigo turned his reiatsu to physical strength while that wasnt the case as when ichigo uses mugetsu his reiatsu is visible) and we have seen people with X10+ reiatsu of someone else still be sensible , as ulquiorras base was around same level as visord ichigo just a bit less probably and in the manga urahara stated that a arrancars release is compare able to a bankai meaning X5 at least and ulquiorra after entering segunda etapa which if we low ball should be X2 his reiatsu can be sensed by ichigo and even way weaker characters like urihime so dangai should be at least x10 times stronger than flyzen who is also at least x10 times stronger than his shikai which should be relative to vaste lorde . So based on this shouldnt dangai be at the very least x100 times stronger than vaste lorde (this would also make sense as old man zangetsu was surpressing white as revealed in the manga while at final battle against aizen both the spirits allowed ichigo to use his full power )

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Waaaaaayyyyy stronger because dangai/FGTS is both Full powerd hollow/ shinigami + quincy

 

[Zoro21043]

Like if you were to give a number what would be the multiplier at least and based on what

I lowballed to 100 I personally think its around 1000

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

I am not really sure but I can see it being the number you gave or higher given how like 20% or 25% or just hollow ichigo was that strong and dangai is the hollow at 100% + shinigami + quincy.

 

[AppleLord]

Quincy Zangetsu told Ichigo (New Mask) that the form of White Zangetsu standing before him was the form he used to defeat Ulquiorra. But this form White had was full cloaked which means his power was twice that of the power he had when he defeat Ulquiorra. Quincy Zangetsu proceeded to fuse with that form to become ever stronger before fighting Ichigo for months. Yammy was intentionally made Espada 0 to make a stronger Ichigo (New Mask) make a point when he fought him at half power. The author intent is that Ichigo had already surpassed all the Espadas in power and was ready to fight Aizen. He only needed the resolve. Even then Aizen was still becoming stronger with the Hogyoku. But at that point Ichigo was able to sense transcendent reiatsu without been transcendent himself at the time.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I am not sure you can even call that an issue of resolve.

Ichigo barely understood much, if anything, about his power half the time and didn't even have a proper Zanpakutou. He needed a method to unleash what was already there, not so much resolve. I doubt he had any clue the extent of power he wasn't actually wielding, just as he wasn't aware at all the extent of the massive power Aizen wielded and the meaning of still being able to sense him.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Even ichigo noted that even after 3 months zangetsu could have "kill" him whenever he wanted

 

[Makstar05]

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