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Ichigo Kurosaki (Pre-Timeskip) VS Shigekuni Yamamoto Genryusai
- Fight Location: Soul Society
- Starting Distance: 10m
- Both in-character
- Post-Dangai Training Ichigo
Yamamoto: 1 (@Shepard)
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Wouldn't it be a stomp if the speed wasn't equalized?Ichigo would have an advantage in speed, but since it is equalized, I confirm my vote for Yamamoto.
If Ichigo starts in SGT Form and Yama starts in Base, yes. Because Ichigo would blitz Yama before Yama could be able to draw the sword.Wouldn't it be a stomp if the speed wasn't equalized?
So can I remove the equalization?If Ichigo starts in SGT Form and Yama starts in Base, yes. Because Ichigo would blitz Yama before Yama could be able to draw the sword.
But then, again, there would be the circumstance of the in-character. Taking a famous example, SGT Ichigo blitzed Butterfly Aizen before Aizen could even realize it, which suggests Ichigo was much faster than him. Still, he didn't show his true power until Aizen gave his best.
In my opinion yes, because in fact it doesn't change much, having also in-character. "In-character Ichigo speedblitz and oneshot" would be like saying "In-character Goku make suffer his enemy, showing no mercy to him who begs for forgiveness". Which would be unrealistic for the character in example.So can I remove the equalization?
I remove so.In my opinion yes
FB Arc scaling. By wiki standards, yea I guess Yama is around the same level in both arcs. But as for how it actually scales, it really all depends on where you have Complete FB Ichigo. He's stronger than the profiles suggest, that's for sure. Been stated multiple times in the anime and manga that he's >= his FKT level, so at minimum that would be Striped Mask Ichigo who would be relative to but weaker than Base Aizen with the Hogyoku Fused. There's been arguments for Complete FB Ichigo being => Dangai or even Final Getsuga, but whether you agree with that or not-Dunno why the distinction? Both Yama’s would still be roughly at the same level of power with FKT actually being stronger as the Databook specifically notes that even with one arm, he is still the strongest captain, implying that the loss of his arm made him weaker in TYBW compared to FKT.
That’s …… so wrong. Base Aizen >>> RG Byakuya, nothing says 1st Invasion Byakuya >>>> LAA Byakuya, FKT Masked Ichigo isn’t comparable to Aizen when Aizen let his guard down and was messing the whole time, Aizen is not >>>>>>>> FKT Yama when he directly concedes that he would most likely lose to Shikai Yama (the same Yama who thought losing Shikai didn’t affect his combat power and was still ready to clap Aizen’s cheeks).FB Arc scaling. By wiki standards, yea I guess Yama is around the same level in both arcs. But as for how it actually scales, it really all depends on where you have Complete FB Ichigo. He's stronger than the profiles suggest, that's for sure. Been stated multiple times in the anime and manga that he's >= his FKT level, so at minimum that would be Striped Mask Ichigo who would be relative to but weaker than Base Aizen with the Hogyoku Fused. There's been arguments for Complete FB Ichigo being => Dangai or even Final Getsuga, but whether you agree with that or not-
Regardless, Yama was confident that a team of low to mid tier captain level fighters (Ikkaku, Renji, Toshiro, Byakuya, Kenpachi etc) could kill this Ichigo that would in his mind be stronger than the one that beat the Aizen that defeated the Gotei, as well as Ginjo if they decided to join forces. The same Aizen that Yama was previously willing to sacrifice all of the present Gotei Captains and his own life to take down, now he's sending low to mid tier captain levels to take down the guy that beat this Aizen. Even if Yama wouldn't know how strong Ichigo and Aizen eventually got. Yama at the very least would have the Aizen that beat him and the Gotei in his mind as the one Ichigo beat bare minimum. But now he's confident in not even stepping in himself or sending in the high and top tier captains, but sending in low to mid tiers. Gives more credence to Renji saying that they trained to beat Aizen level threats, whether they actually did reach that level or not.
So it'd look like:
TYBW Bankai Yama >>> TYBW Shikai Yama (Casually almost killed As Nodt while not even paying him any mind. As Nodt would be relative to Early TYBW/FB arc Bankai Byakuya himself) >>>> FB Arc Byakuya ~ Tsukishima ~ Complete FB Ichigo (Stated multiple times to have regained or surpassed his FKT powers/strength) >= FKT Striped Mask Ichigo (Was able to cause a serious wound on Aizen with a Getsuga) ~ FKT Base Aizen (Tanked a Self Sacrificial Hado in the 90s from Yama with basically no damage) >>> FKT Yama
Ignoring the fact that the Databook says that Aizen transcends all Hollow and Shinigami (which includes Zanka no Tachi), Butterfly Aizen isn’t needed for this match up. FGT is stated to transcend and be stronger than everything else in existence in the Databook which isn’t based on a statement from a character so it can’t even be argued that it’s regurgitating a character statement. Not that that discredits the statement in the first place. ZnT exists so Mugetsu >>> Bankai Yama. Every Transcendent has better scaling than Bankai Yama.The problem is (it pains me to say this) the statement of butterfly aizen surpassing all shinigami (because he somehow freaking knows about zanka no tachi) and the difference between him and dangai ichigo might be a big enough difference might be.
1st Invasion Byakuya doesn't have to be stronger than Fullbring Arc Byakuya, the main point is that Post Timeskip Byakuya in general has some sort of relativity to Tsukishima (albeit on the weaker end as he was getting smacked up), who himself is relative to Complete FB Ichigo. And Yama was damn near able to one shot As Nodt who scales to Bankai Byakuya without even trying. You could even argue that Tsukishima cutting Byakuya made him stronger (like the profile says) which possibly means he could scale to a stronger version than the Tsuki that fought IchigoThat’s …… so wrong. Base Aizen >>> RG Byakuya, nothing says 1st Invasion Byakuya >>>> LAA Byakuya, FKT Masked Ichigo isn’t comparable to Aizen when Aizen let his guard down and was messing the whole time, Aizen is not >>>>>>>> FKT Yama when he directly concedes that he would most likely lose to Shikai Yama (the same Yama who thought losing Shikai didn’t affect his combat power and was still ready to clap Aizen’s cheeks).
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