Ichigo Kurosaki vs Charizard

[Modernmyrmidon]

Post Bankai training soul society arc Ichigo vs Mega Charizard X

Fight takes place in Cerulean Cave

Speed equalized

Fight wins via KO

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Charizard holds every advantage...except for the fact that he can't see Ichigo.

 

[Modernmyrmidon]

Charizard holds every advantage...except for the fact that he can't see Ichigo.

The rules state he is able to see Ichigo. It's a stomp then?

 

[Elizhaa]

Charizard holds every advantage...except for the fact that he can't see Ichigo.

The rules state he is able to see Ichigo. It's a stomp then?

You can't give an abiltiy to a fighter that the fighter don't have. So, Charizard still can't see Ichigo Kurosaki. Verse Equalization is thing bu not if a chracters doesn't hhave the associated abilties. Charizard would need Extrasensory Perception to see Ichigo but he does not have it.

 

[Elizhaa]

Charizard holds every advantage...except for the fact that he can't see Ichigo.

Ichigo has Soul Manipulation (Shinigami can directly damage souls with their Zanpakutō).

 

[Bobsican]

Charizard mayyybe can make him "more" visible if he manages to hit with Fire Spin, which covers the opponent in a fire ring.

 

[Modernmyrmidon]

Charizard holds every advantage...except for the fact that he can't see Ichigo.

The rules state he is able to see Ichigo. It's a stomp then?

You can't give an abiltiy to a fighter that the fighter don't have. So, Charizard still can't see Ichigo Kurosaki. Verse Equalization is thing bu not if a chracters doesn't hhave the associated abilties. Charizard would need Extrasensory Perception to see Ichigo but he does not have it.

I'm sorry

 

[Elizhaa]

Modernmyrmido, as long as you learned from your mistake, no biggieƒæì

 

[Elizhaa]

Charizard mayyybe can make him "more" visible if he manages to hit with Fire Spin, which covers the opponent in a fire ring.

Not really, even souls blood or injuries are invisible if a characters doesn't have Extrasensory Perception.

 

[Modernmyrmidon]

Modernmyrmido, as long as you learned from your mistake, no biggieƒæì

But, for example, if a character can resurrect themselves, would it be ok to make a rule stating they can only die once? It doesn't apply to this fight but just for future reference.

 

[Drite77]

Nope, he will comeback all the time, if he can. If the other can do nothing to counter this ability, than it is either a really one sided match, or a stomp

 

[Bobsican]

Charizard mayyybe can make him "more" visible if he manages to hit with Fire Spin, which covers the opponent in a fire ring.

Not really, even souls blood or injuries are invisible if a characters doesn't have Extrasensory Perception.

But the fire itself is visible as it isn´t directly touching him.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Ichigo walks up to him and slices tbh.

 

[Drite77]

Yeah, Charizard won't see him, and Ichigo has Soul Hax on top of that

 

[Elizhaa]

A small part of me wondered, do all pokemon have soul manipulation resistance scaling from ghost type moves.

 

[Drite77]

No, only the ones that resist Ghost type moves or are immune, like Dark and Normal types

 

[Drite77]

Likewise, the ones that receive super effective damage from ghost are very vulnerable to Soul Manipulation, and Ectoplasm, but rarely a character uses Ectoplasm

 

[Ercosore]

Arent ghosts visible thing in pokemon?

 

[Paul_Frank]

Yeah they are visible by everyone though so seeing them doesn't let you see shinigami who are naturally invisible to almost everyone else

 

[NeoZex6399]

Wrong.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Silph_Scope

Games	Description
Stad	An item that makes ghosts clearly distinguishable.
FRLG	A scope that makes unseeable Pokémon visible. It is made by Silph Co.
E	Silph Co's scope makes unseeable Pokémon visible.
PE	A scope that lets you see what cannot usually be seen. It is made by Silph Co.

 

[Elizhaa]

You know what I just notice is that Non-Physical Interaction also gives Extrasensory Perception, oofs. Also, I stated on here, I think all Pokemon would have Resistance to Soul Manipulation and I a CRT will be needed in the future for the additions.

 

[Drite77]

I don't think that every mon has resistance to Soul Manip, and why would NPI give Extrasensory Peception for mons?

 

[Dragopentling]

So Charizard can't see ghosts, yet can see Ghost Pokemon?

Well, I can see why the Silph Scope thingy would be the explanation to favor Ichigo, BUT.......

Wouldn't that be a Stomp in Ichigo's favor JUST because Charizard can't see him? We can't assume Charizard got a win con for possibly one-shotting Ichigo while literally blindfoled.

Also, Cerulean Cave doesn't do the hiding thing.

Besides, Elizhaa's explanation pretty much debunks anything saving Ichigo regarding Charizard supposedly being unable to see him.

 

[Drite77]

I maded a CRT with what Elizhaa saided, and it was rejected Dragon

 

[Elizhaa]

Scratch Extrasensory Perception off, it was my mistake there. With NPI, Users can be see and touch what they have feat of interaction. So, if ghost were invisible in Pokemon like most verse, Charizard would have able see Ichigo

 

[Elizhaa]

I maded a CRT with what Elizhaa saided, and it was rejected Dragon

Honestly, I am a bit surprised and disappointed there was a thread about my statements and I was not contacted.

 

[Dragopentling]

I maded a CRT with what Elizhaa saided, and it was rejected Dragon

I saw that thread. The reason for rejection seems idiotic. If they're right, though, there's no reason to continue this thread, since Ichigo just simply keeps at bay from a blindly swinging big lizard and just keeping firing away with his ranged attacks.

Idk if Enhanced Senses do anything to help, tbh, cause I'm not sure how potent that'd be.

 

[Drite77]

I maded a CRT with what Elizhaa saided, and it was rejected Dragon

Honestly, I am a bit surprised and disappointed there was a thread about my statements and I was not contacted.

I thought that you would eventually come since you were in the Pokemon Gen 3 thread

 

[Elizhaa]

Honestly, I am a bit surprised and disappointed there was a thread about my statements and I was not contacted.
I thought that you would eventually come since you were in the Pokemon Gen 3 thread

This is true. I did want to do a CRT but after I researched more on the topic and discussed with more verse people. I didn't do the latter since most most Pokemon verse experts I wanted to contact were unavailable.