Interaction with 4D

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Goku's punches threatened to destroy everything in the macrocosm with punches and waves of impacts crossing into other dimensions outside the space-time of the Universe. Is this considered interaction with 4D?

Or does it need to affect or destroy the Universe, whether in the past, present, or future, in order to interact with 4D?

 

[Shar122]

Affecting multiple space-time continuums (the macrocosm) are already 4D interaction, they are significant 4D structures.

And affecting an entirety of space-time itself Already includes the past, present, future by default, they are part of the continuum.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Affecting multiple space-time continuums (the macrocosm) are already 4D interaction, they are significant 4D structures.

And affecting an entirety of space-time itself Already includes the past, present, future by default, they are part of the continuum.

So, there is no need to destroy or affect the Universe in the past, present, or future?

 

[Shar122]

So, there is no need to destroy or affect the Universe in the past, present, or future?

The term space-time already includes and embeds past, present and future. So affecting it, will affect directly those as well.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

The term space-time already includes and embeds past, present and future. So affecting it, will affect directly those as well.

Thank you, there was a guy insisting that you need to affect the past, present, and future itself in order to interact with 4D at a minimum

 

[Shar122]

Thank you, there was a guy insisting that you need to affect the past, present, and future itself in order to interact with 4D at a minimum

I mean.. Time is what orders "change" and
past, present and future gives the motion, causality and a state of progress. Without that ordering, spacetime will become a static block with no dynamics, no causation etc.
So you affect past, present, future by affecting space-time.
So he's not wrong technically speaking but that's one of the many requirements, in a broader sense, it's just too loose.
It’s like saying “To interact with 3D space, you must affect left, right, up, down, forward, and backward.”
True, but also meaningless, because participating in space already entails that.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I mean.. Time is what orders "change" and
past, present and future gives the motion, causality and a state of progress. Without that ordering, spacetime will become a static block with no dynamics, no causation etc.
So you affect past, present, future by affecting space-time.
So he's not wrong technically speaking but that's one of the many requirements, in a broader sense, it's just too loose.
It’s like saying “To interact with 3D space, you must affect left, right, up, down, forward, and backward.”
True, but also meaningless, because participating in space already entails that.

I didn't know that, but it seems very silly to base arguments against 4D interaction on science, but thanks anyway.

 

[Shar122]

I didn't know that, but it seems very silly to base arguments against 4D interaction on science, but thanks anyway.

Yeah, we usually assume time (in totality) embeds past, present, and future by default here so.. unless the verse states otherwise, but fair enough.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Effecting space time would still be range to an extent.

 

[Shar122]

Effecting space time would still be range to an extent.

It depends on how we define space-time really, spacetime as the full manifold, the total structure in which past, present, and future are embedded or the spacetime as a region. But in this case, we are talking about the former.