Invincible AP Upgrades + Miscellaneous

[FusionPrime0]

Viltrum Feat Upgrade
As discussed and generally accepted in a previous thread, the thread became too messy from the 5-A stuff so I had to move this here
The current calculation is to be replaced with this accepted calculation of the feat, which would upscale every Viltrumite tier character to 1.373 Zettatons of TNT
The new calc uses an earth-like density for Viltrum, instead of the planet having the same diameter as Earth. The reasoning behind this is that Viltrum has been described as having very similar characteristics and composition to Earth, excluding it's increased gravity. For Viltrum to have a similar composition to Earth, it would need a similar density as a lower or higher density would cause differences in the composition of the planet.

Tech Jacket Chain Scaling
In Tech Jacket's own comic he gains a powerup that boosts all the stats of his suit by 1000%,
This would upscale Tech Jacket's Post Colossus Amp Key to 13.73 Zettatons Edit: and 1,304,464,280 c
His suit was then boosted to beyond the known max capacity of his own suit. His suit then goes on to "experience evolution" with the artificial intelligence Stanley being unsure on whether the new armor even has limits.
this should constitute an "at least" and "likely far higher" to be added to this value

This part will likely get rejected. Since Tech Jacket's suit was boosted to beyond it's known maximum capacity it could have gained a boost greater than the stated boost it gave to Zach, which is nearly 100 fold, since the suit would be able to measure an increase of that level. This would upscale his Post Colossus Amp Key to "at least" 137.3 Zettatons which is Planet level and "likely far higher"

Edit: The 100x increase is based on the highest level of increase the jacket can measure. Basically, the idea of him being 100x a normal human can be false while the statement that the colossal amp provided a 100x increase can be true because the number given is just the limit of what it’s programmed to register.

This boost to Post Colossus Amp Tech Jacket would also Upscale several other characters. Tech Jacket was present during the robot war, where Lucan tanked a Blast from him. This also means he was present on Earth during the final battle with Thragg and he wasn't brought in as a major player, while the outcome of the battle threatened the livelihood of Earth. This should be enough narrative intent to scale Post Resurrections Mark and Thragg above him (and possibly Nolan by extension). Tech Jacket was also present during the new Viltrum Empire's War with the Coalition with what looks like an even more upgraded armor on the side of the Coalition. This should upscale Emperor Mark to at least the level Tech Jacket is at, as the Coalition lost the war.

In summary Thragg, Post Resurrections Mark, Battle Beast (Scales to Thragg), The Emperor (Scales to Battle Beast), and Null (Tore apart an upgraded Tech Jacket as listed on his profile) should upscale to "at least" wherever Tech Jacket is at with Nolan downscaling and Lucan scaling to Tech Jacket or give Nolan/Lucan a "possibly higher" rating. The Rognarr should also scale to an amped Tech Jacket for being able to wound Thragg.

Edit: Thragg should be given a post time skip key scaling to Post Amp Tech Jacket, Battle Beast gets powercliffed so he stays where he is, Nolan should gain a post timeskip key scaling to "at least" Low 5-B if the 10x TJ boost is accepted and "at least" Low 5-B "likely far higher" if the 100x boost is accepted as he was able to slightly harm Eos Thragg, and the Rognarr should just be scaled to "at least" Low 5-B for only scaling to pre timeskip Thragg.

Allen the Alien third Key
Allen the Alien had a second near death experience closer to the end of the comic which gave him another boost in power. After recovering for days, Allen gained a rocky texture on his arms and tanked attacks with little damage from Post Resurrections Invincible while angry at Allen for indirectly causing Oliver's death. A third Key should be added for Allen, scaling to a Post Resurrections Invincible.

Miscellaneous
-Omniptous in his base form was unable to be harmed by blasts from a base Tech Jacket and even slightly harm Brit. He should be upscaled to "at least" Low 5-B from this, Black Sampson in his amped form pushed back Omnipotus which Tech Jacket was unable to do, so he should also be upscaled to at least Low 5-B. Dinosaurus was able to one shot an amped Omnipotus so he should be upscaled to "at least" Low 5-B Edit: no "likely higher"
-Robot's basic armors currently have nothing for lifting strength. In the guidebook it states Robot can lift over a ton so his LS should be scaled to "at least" Class 5
-This calc for Chupacabra was accepted scaling to 9.267 Megajoules, this would scale to Brit's AP and RexSplode's physicals from the already established chain scaling on their profiles.
-Bolt's reasoning for being "at most" High 6-B should be changed to tanking attacks from Doc Cancer who could damage Invincible as the Meteor Twins only scale to Low 6-B. His lifting strength should also scale to "at most" Class G
-Conquest should be "at least" Low 5-B for brutalizing a blue suit and Viltrum War Mark and "lower with gauntlet" as a blue suit Invincible could shatter it

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Agreed

 

[FusionPrime0]

Agreed

For the Tech Jacket amp, do you agree with the 10x or 100x boost?

 

[TyranoDoom30]

For the Tech Jacket amp, do you agree with the 10x or 100x boost?

10

 

[Shadowslaya!]

Agreed.

 

[That_moron2]

Sun disk upgrades next

 

[Hayato5652]

Not bad, I agree

 

[FusionPrime0]

Sun disk upgrades next

don't forget about the Tech Jacket and Tick stuff

 

[FusionPrime0]

Bump

 

[Tahoy49574]

Sun disk upgrades next

There's now 3 different calculations of this feat (and one wants to debunk the other while also mentioning that it can legit get to star level lol). We may as well just make a thread in Calc Discussion group about it

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

There's now 3 different calculations of this feat (and one wants to debunk the other while also mentioning that it can legit get to star level lol). We legit may as well make a thread in Calc Discussion group about it

Still nowhere near Solar System Level. Hmmm

 

[That_moron2]

Bolt's reasoning for being "at most" High 6-B should be changed to tanking attacks from Doc Cancer who could damage Invincible as the Meteor Twins only scale to Low 6-B. His lifting strength should also scale to "at most" Class G

That's just support, having another 6-B feat to support the main reasoning is fine

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

OP seems fine.

 

[Tahoy49574]

OP seems fine.

Hold on a sec

This part will likely get rejected. Since Tech Jacket's suit was boosted to beyond it's known maximum capacity it could have gained a boost greater than the stated boost it gave to Zach, which is nearly 100 fold, since the suit would be able to measure an increase of that level. This would upscale his Post Colossus Amp Key to "at least" 137.3 Zettatons which is Planet level

Isn't using this statement for scaling mainly making base Tech Jacket 100 times stronger than an average guy, which isn't the case at all ?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Hold on a sec

Isn't using this statement for scaling mainly making base Tech Jacket 100 times stronger than an average guy, which isn't the case at all ?

Ah right. The proposals reliant on the 100x statement shouldn't be applicable.

 

[Tahoy49574]

A couple other things

the outcome of the battle threatened the livelihood of Earth. This should be enough narrative intent to scale Post Resurrections Mark and Thragg above him (and possibly Nolan by extension). Tech Jacket was also present during the new Viltrum Empire's War with the Coalition with what looks like an even more upgraded armor on the side of the Coalition. This should upscale Emperor Mark to at least the level Tech Jacket is at, as the Coalition lost the war.

I agree with this (except the Nolan scaling to him, tho I can see giving him an EoS key, and Tech Jacket getting another upgrade, that's just Cory Walker's style). Also I insist on not using Robot War for scaling due to it's rushed nature (Monster Girl unfamously ripped titanium-volcanic drones appart) and we don't really see the aftermath of Lucan taking Zack's blast, for all we know that could've been knocked him out, we don't see him for the rest of the issue

Rognarr should also scale to an amped Tech Jacket for being able to wound Thragg.

I disagree with this, Rognarrs are fine as they are. Thragg notoriously goes from almost getting ripped appart by one(when he was still roughly the same as the Viltrumite War) to one-shotting them after the time-skip. Imo, we should also give Thragg an EoS key scaling above Post-Colossal Tech Jacket

Allen the Alien third Key
Allen the Alien had a second near death experience closer to the end of the comic which gave him another boost in power. After recovering for days, Allen gained a rocky texture on his arms and tanked attacks with little damage from Post Resurrections Invincible while angry at Allen for indirectly causing Oliver's death. A third Key should be added for Allen, scaling to a Post Resurrections Invincible.

This should be expanded upon in the OP. That's why I asked if anyone knew the post one of the creators made about Allen's "evolutions" because they referred to them as such and his P&A should be divided as "Pre-Evolutions" and "Post-Evolutions"

Attack Reflection, Regeneration (Low-Mid) and Immortality (Type 2 & 3) should be moved to Post-Evolutions as his body obviously wasn't as resilient before that (took him months to heal injuries he later on would in a matter of days). Pre-Evolutions should still have at least Regeneration (Mid-Low) over healing without scars the massive hole in his body, if not outright High-Low over his limbs being able to reattach

-Conquest should be "at least" Low 5-B for brutalizing a blue suit and Viltrum War Mark and "lower with gauntlet" as a blue suit Invincible could shatter it

Agree with gauntlet downscaling, but Conquest physically is also fine as is. His profile already acknowledges he is "Far stronger" than Invincible (Kirkman himself describes their gap like that). People like Thragg do warrant the "At least" as it doesn't matter how much will they put into it, they just aren't beating him

 

[Tahoy49574]

-Omniptous in his base form was unable to be harmed by blasts from a base Tech Jacket and even slightly harm Brit. He should be upscaled to "at least" Low 5-B from this, Black Sampson in his amped form pushed back Omnipotus which Tech Jacket was unable to do, so he should also be upscaled to at least Low 5-B. Dinosaurus was able to one shot an amped Omnipotus so he should be upscaled to "at least" Low 5-B and "likely higher" as well

So, the reason I've saved Omnipotus' scaling for last is that he has the same problem as Vault in that they have both Tech Jacket scaling and then went on to fight the entire verse on seemingly equal grounds. Everything about that character is outlier-ish and I don't know how this could be tackled.

Best I can think of is scaling him in a vaccum (Varies, up to High 3-A). Dinosaurus wouldn't lose anything from that, there's still Cecil's statement that he can hold his own against Invincible, Allen's statement that he's no lightweight and damaging an Invincible Reanimen

 

[That_moron2]

So, the reason I've saved Omnipotus' scaling for last is that he has the same problem as Vault in that they have both Tech Jacket scaling and then went on to fight the entire verse on seemingly equal grounds. Hell, in the first fight against him when Tech Jacket does nothing to him, Monster Girl procceds to injure him enough for his regeneration to be displayed, except she can also be subdued by Seismic's bugs which then proceeded to be defeated with teamwork and so much of the stakes wouldn't fall on Mark if the Guardians had someone that strong 24/7, at least with Tech Jacket the excuse is he barely spends any time on Earth. You could say it could be dismissed as an outlier but everything about that character is outlier-ish lol I don't know how this could be tackled.

Best I can think of is scaling him in a vaccum (Varies, up to High 3-A). Dinosaurus wouldn't lose anything from that, there's still Cecil's statement that he can hold his own against Invincible, Allen's statement that he's no lightweight and him enduring the Invincible Reanimen ganging up on him and even damaging one

You mention Seismic's bugs as if those things didn't also clap Mark

 

[Tahoy49574]

You mention Seismic's bugs as if those things didn't also clap Mark

Only one did, and it was through a weakness that comes up every once in a while

 

[Tahoy49574]

-This calc for Chupacabra was accepted scaling to 9.267 Megajoules, this would scale to Brit's AP and RexSplode's physicals from the already established chain scaling on their profiles.

Why couldn't they go with V.Frag, now I have to live in a world where the TADC cast one-shots Best Tiger

 

[Tahoy49574]

As a side note, Bolt's profile is really rough, it's even missing capital letters and has Unknown stats

 

[That_moron2]

Monster Girl procceds to injure him enough for his regeneration to be displayed

He's not regenerating there. When he says restoration, he's referring to his power

nly one did, and it was through a weakness that comes up every once in a while

Post the full page, immediately after this it hurts him with a blow to the head, not an ear clap, and before this Mark mentions how tough "you guys" (as in, all of them) are

and so much of the stakes wouldn't fall on Mark if the Guardians had someone that strong 24/7

This is really an argument from incredulity

Bolt's profile is really rough

Only because the speed scaling we have currently sucks, I did forget he has the stamina feat of fighting Vault when I made the profile, so that should probably warrant at least athletic stamina.

it's even missing capital letters

We don't use capital letters for levels, if that's what you mean

 

[Tahoy49574]

He's not regenerating there. When he says restoration, he's referring to his power

Post the full page, immediately after this it hurts him with a blow to the head, not an ear clap, and before this Mark mentions how tough "you guys" (as in, all of them) are

This is really an argument from incredulity

Only because the speed scaling we have currently sucks, I did forget he has the stamina feat of fighting Vault when I made the profile, so that should probably warrant at least athletic stamina.

Upon closer inspection, you're right. Tho I still stand by Omnipotus being a really outlier-ish character. If I'm reading the OP correctly it wants to somewhat scale Omnipotus' stats over Brit's durability, but that would completely break his whole gimmick of being THE stonewall of the verse, which is the reason Robot can't harm him even with viltrumite-tier weapons and Brit can in fact destroy them with enough momentum. There's a reason that fight happened off-screen. At least the handbook says he supposedly has Life Absorption, which is the only other time (that I know of, I'll get to reading his stuff soon) Brit was knocked out, and he definitely doesn't need viltrumite-level AP to beat over the rest

We don't use capital letters for levels, if that's what you mean

 

[Tahoy49574]

Only because the speed scaling we have currently sucks, I did forget he has the stamina feat of fighting Vault when I made the profile, so that should probably warrant at least athletic stamina.

He fought in an alien invasion that lasted 6 hours

 

[That_moron2]

He fought in an alien invasion that lasted 6 hours

This is a good feat. That might even get superhuman

 

[FusionPrime0]

Upon closer inspection, you're right. Tho I still stand by Omnipotus being a really outlier-ish character. If I'm reading the OP correctly it wants to somewhat scale Omnipotus' stats over Brit's durability, but that would completely break his whole gimmick of being THE stonewall of the verse, which is the reason Robot can't harm him even with viltrumite-tier weapons and Brit can in fact destroy them with enough momentum. There's a reason that fight happened off-screen. At least the handbook says he supposedly has Life Absorption, which is the only other time (that I know of, I'll get to reading his stuff soon) Brit was knocked out, and he definitely doesn't need viltrumite-level AP to beat over the rest

I am not trying to scale Omniptous over Brit. It's just for support that Omnipotus is far above other Low 5-B characters. The main scaling is being superior to Tech Jacket by a huge degree.

 

[FusionPrime0]

A couple other things

I agree with this (except the Nolan scaling to him, tho I can see giving him an EoS key, and Tech Jacket getting another upgrade, that's just Cory Walker's style). Also I insist on not using Robot War for scaling due to it's rushed nature (Monster Girl unfamously ripped titanium-volcanic drones appart) and we don't really see the aftermath of Lucan taking Zack's blast, for all we know that could've been knocked him out, we don't see him for the rest of the issue

Lucan did survive the shot but fair enough.

I disagree with this, Rognarrs are fine as they are. Thragg notoriously goes from almost getting ripped appart by one(when he was still roughly the same as the Viltrumite War) to one-shotting them after the time-skip. Imo, we should also give Thragg an EoS key scaling above Post-Colossal Tech Jacket

A lot of characters probably need Eos Keys. The Rognarr's should be "at least" Low 5-B tho, they're far superior to almost every Viltrumite except Thragg.

Agree with gauntlet downscaling, but Conquest physically is also fine as is. His profile already acknowledges he is "Far stronger" than Invincible (Kirkman himself describes their gap like that). People like Thragg do warrant the "At least" as it doesn't matter how much will they put into it, they just aren't beating him

"At least" just denotes the lower cap of a character. As you stated yourself, Conquest is far stronger than mark and is able to punch a hole through him. I think that's a big enough gap to warrant an "at least"

 

[Tahoy49574]

A lot of characters probably need Eos Keys. The Rognarr's should be "at least" Low 5-B tho, they're far superior to almost every Viltrumite except Thragg.

Rognarrs don't have an "At least" already ? I thought they did

I am not trying to scale Omniptous over Brit. It's just for support that Omnipotus is far above other Low 5-B characters. The main scaling is being superior to Tech Jacket by a huge degree.

Admittedly, my main gripe using such a minor gag character like Omnipotus for scaling.

Zack's current Base key comes from the Viltrumite War(#72-#75) and he fought Omnipotus in #27. Even if we assume he didn't get any stronger (which he most likely did due to how the Tech Jacket works), then Omnipotus in his last appearance would be unbelievably above the value Viltrumite War/Middle of Series characters would scale to, and then Dinosaurus one-shots him, who then gets pummeled by Mark.

Like, this is an insane scaling chain we would have to structure plenty of profiles around if we where to go with it. Personally, I don't think it was intended to be all. For example, in #108 the encounter with the alternate version of Conquest hinges entirely on that he is Conquest as we last saw him, except that going with the above he would've been out-scaled hard. I feel like this has to be discussed more thoroughly before going with it

"At least" just denotes the lower cap of a character. As you stated yourself, Conquest is far stronger than mark and is able to punch a hole through him. I think that's a big enough gap to warrant an "at least"

Yes but not in the same scale as say, again, Thragg, who punched a hole through Nolan with one swift move and instantly took him out of combat, unlike Conquest who needed multiple ones and Mark still managed to outlast him

 

[Qawsedf234]

Ah right. The proposals reliant on the 100x statement shouldn't be applicable.

I think the original 10x statement is fine, the second 10x statement I'm not entirely sure about since its not defined anywhere. The 100x justification doesn't make sense because Tech Jacket is already far beyond 100x a normal human.

So "likely higher" fits better than just "This stated 10x amp is in fact a 100x amp".

 

[FusionPrime0]

Rognarrs don't have an "At least" already ? I thought they did

nope

Admittedly, my main gripe using such a minor gag character like Omnipotus for scaling.

Zack's current Base key comes from the Viltrumite War(#72-#75) and he fought Omnipotus in #27. Assuming he didn't get any stronger (which he most likely did due to how the Tech Jacket works), then Omnipotus in his last appearance would be unbelievably above the value viltrumites/Middle of Series characters scale to, and then Dinosaurus one-shots him, who then gets pummeled by Mark.

Like, this is an insane scaling chain, I don't think it was intended at all. For example, in #108 the encounter with the alternate version of Conquest hinges entirely on that he is Conquest as we last saw him, except that going with the above he would've out-scaled hard. I feel like this has to be discussed more thoroughly

The encounter with Conquest hinges on his ruthless character and ptsd from Mark's past fights with him. They never ended up fighting in the alternate universe so for all we know Mark could've been able to low diff him at that point.

Allen, Mark, and Omni-Man were all severely injured with the latter 2 being on the brink of death. Some of the 37 other remaining Viltrumites were also stated to be severely injured so them out scaling their Viltrum War selves by a good margin isn't that insane.

Allen went from being able to be pieced up by Anissa to Low diffing Omni-Man while holding back tremendously. Allen specifically was disappointed at how much he hurt Nolan and stated that he can only hold back so much. Mark is a good bit stronger than Nolan atp as he got better hits on Allen and didn't bleed from Allen's first strike (that had more momentum than the strikes Nolan bled from while Allen held back as much as he could) unlike Nolan who just pushed Allen around and was bloodied by the first strike he took (casual btw) from Allen.
So Mark is significantly stronger than his dad after Nolan got a power boost. The scaling chain doesn't seem that farfetched to me.

Yes but not in the same scale as say, again, Thragg, who punched a hole through Nolan with one swift move and instantly took him out of combat, unlike Conquest who needed multiple ones and Mark still managed to outlast him

We don't need a Thragg VS Mark level AP gap to justify an "at least". We know Conquest is "far stronger" than a Viltrum War Mark, he is undeniably higher into Low 5-B than Mark who scales to the Low 5-B value so an "at least" value is justified here

 

[FusionPrime0]

I think the original 10x statement is fine, the second 10x statement I'm not entirely sure about since its not defined anywhere. The 100x justification doesn't make sense because Tech Jacket is already far beyond 100x a normal human.

So "likely higher" fits better than just "This stated 10x amp is in fact a 100x amp".

The reason I brought up the 100x statement, is even though it's technically wrong it is a stated value for how high of a boost the Tech Jacket would be able to detect. Also there isn't a second 10x statement anywhere, you must've misread.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Allen, Mark, and Omni-Man were all severely injured with the latter 2 being on the brink of death. Some of the 37 other remaining Viltrumites were also stated to be severely injured so them out scaling their Viltrum War selves by a good margin isn't that insane.

I mean, I don't disagree with the third statement, but what are you trying to say with the first two ?

Allen went from being able to be pieced up by Anissa to Low diffing Omni-Man while holding back tremendously. Allen specifically was disappointed at how much he hurt Nolan and stated that he can only hold back so much.

Anissa didn't do all of that herself, it was an entire group of viltrumites ganging up on him first. Also, are you suggesting yet another key for Allen prior to his rocky form ?

Mark is a good bit stronger than Nolan atp as he got better hits on Allen and didn't bleed from Allen's first strike (that had more momentum than the strikes Nolan bled from while Allen held back as much as he could) unlike Nolan who just pushed Allen around and was bloodied by the first strike he took (casual btw) from Allen.
So Mark is significantly stronger than his dad after Nolan got a power boost. The scaling chain doesn't seem that farfetched to me.

They both do literal zero damage to him and Mark is being overwhelmed all the same. Allen even says as "Nolan couldn't stop me. What chance do you have ?", which wouldn't make sense to word it like that if Mark was considerably stronger

Besides, this entire scene, way after Dinosaurus' death, exists mainly to portray how evenly matched they are. Even if you want to argue Mark lost on purpose he was still putting considerable effort for most of it

 

[That_moron2]

The 100x justification doesn't make sense because Tech Jacket is already far beyond 100x a normal human.

The 100x increase is based on the highest level of increase the jacket can measure. Basically, the idea of him being 100x a normal human can be false while the statement that the colossal amp provided a 100x increase can be true because the number given is just the limit of what it’s programmed to register.

 

[FusionPrime0]

I mean, I don't disagree with the third statement, but what are you trying to say with the first two ?

I was trying to say that most of the Viltrumites sustained injuries during the Viltrum War that would've gave them power boosts after they recovered.

Anissa didn't do all of that herself, it was an entire group of viltrumites ganging up on him first. Also, are you suggesting yet another key for Allen prior to his rocky form ?

True but she was still able to inflict considerable damage on her own. There is basis for another Allen key. His arm was broken and he was almost passed out at the end of the fight. He was still recovering after Mark woke up from his coma after two weeks and he seemed to be much more powerful than previously.

They both do literal zero damage to him and Mark is being overwhelmed all the same. Allen even says as "Nolan couldn't stop me. What chance do you have ?", which wouldn't make sense to word it like that if Mark was considerably stronger

I mean Allen wouldn't have known how strong Mark was post Viltrumite War, plus Nolan was beaten so badly that even Mark if he was stronger than him could still stand little to no chance. Nolan was bloodied by every strike but Mark survived a clean shot to his face and didn't bleed. He didn't even have a nosebleed which is fairly common in even small scuffles.

Besides, this entire scene, way after Dinosaurus' death, exists mainly to portray how evenly matched they are. Even if you want to argue Mark lost on purpose he was still putting considerable effort for most of it

True though this is after Nolan faced Thragg again and was injured, so that would be a chance for him to gain another boost in power. Thragg even thought Nolan could kill him if he let him pummel him to death, while he thought a post Viltrumite War Nolan and Mark wouldn't be able to even harm him.

 

[Tahoy49574]

I was trying to say that most of the Viltrumites sustained injuries during the Viltrum War that would've gave them power boosts after they recovered.

True but she was still able to inflict considerable damage on her own. There is basis for another Allen key. His arm was broken and he was almost passed out at the end of the fight. He was still recovering after Mark woke up from his coma after two weeks and he seemed to be much more powerful than previously.

I mean Allen wouldn't have known how strong Mark was post Viltrumite War, plus Nolan was beaten so badly that even Mark if he was stronger than him could still stand little to no chance. Nolan was bloodied by every strike but Mark survived a clean shot to his face and didn't bleed. He didn't even have a nosebleed which is fairly common in even small scuffles.

True though this is after Nolan faced Thragg again and was injured, so that would be a chance for him to gain another boost in power. Thragg even thought Nolan could kill him if he let him pummel him to death, while he thought a post Viltrumite War Nolan and Mark wouldn't be able to even harm him.

Viltrumites aren't saiyans to get boosts like that .-. and Allen is very much an instance of the creator talking through the character, they're supposed to be comparable by this point.

Anyway, we are having this entire discussion over upgrading just one character and it's implications in the verse's scaling which the OP doesn't even address, that's why I insist on making a separate thread for it. Could you at least update the OP with what we've agreed on ?

• Normal "At least" for Rognarrs
• Post-Timeskip key for Thragg that upgrades him above Post-Colossal Tech Jacket's At least Low 5-B, likely far higher, alongside Post-Resurrections Invincible, Allen's Final Evolution and Null sadly Battle Beast gets outscaled, unless the new comic gives us a fight with Null which would go incredibly hard scaling be damned
• Dividing Allen's PA into Pre-Evolutions/Post-Evolutions

 

[Tahoy49574]

On a second note, Robot's profile is really bad, it's treating the big hulking drone as a "Basic Armor", which you know isn't at all because he single-handedly defeated the Mauler Twins with it (which would also put it's AP far above 9-A). The 1 ton LS statement refers to the slim drone we see him use for most of the story. The big drone's AP/LS should probably scale to Black Samson's/Wolf-Man's

 

[FusionPrime0]

Viltrumites aren't saiyans to get boosts like that .-. and Allen is very much an instance of the creator talking through the character, they're supposed to be comparable by this point.

I mean Viltrumites have been shown to get decent boosts after being near death and after time passing but fair enough

Anyway, we are having this entire discussion over upgrading just one character and it's implications in the verse's scaling which the OP doesn't even address, that's why I insist on making a separate thread for it. Could you at least update the OP with what we've agreed on ?

Ok I'll drop the "likely higher" stuff for Dinosaurus for this CRT and just stick with "At least"

• Normal "At least" for Rognarrs
• Post-Timeskip key for Thragg that upgrades him above Post-Colossal Tech Jacket's At least Low 5-B, likely far higher, alongside Post-Resurrections Invincible, Allen's Final Evolution and Null sadly Battle Beast gets outscaled
• Dividing Allen's PA into Pre-Evolutions/Post-Evolutions

These are all fine except instead of Pre/Post evolutions it should be Pre-Evolutions | 1st evolution | 2nd evolution
Though none of the mods have replied to the follow ups to the 100x boost justification so I'll wait for their thoughts on that. I also forgot to add that if that's accepted there would still be likely far higher attached as the 100x is just a higher limit for the suit's max known capacity, so the boost going beyond that and experiencing evolution would still warrant that being added.

On a second note, Robot's profile is really bad, it's treating the big hulking drone as a "Basic Armor", which you know isn't at all because he single-handedly defeated the Mauler Twins with it (which would also put it's AP far above 9-A). The 1 ton LS statement refers to the slim drone we see him use for most of the story. The big drone's AP/LS should probably scale to Black Samson's/Wolf-Man's

We need a different CRT for all the robot stuff. I just wanted to add the LS so we don't have the value left as unknown on the profile

 

[FusionPrime0]

The 100x increase is based on the highest level of increase the jacket can measure. Basically, the idea of him being 100x a normal human can be false while the statement that the colossal amp provided a 100x increase can be true because the number given is just the limit of what it’s programmed to register.

Anyway, we are having this entire discussion over upgrading just one character and it's implications in the verse's scaling which the OP doesn't even address, that's why I insist on making a separate thread for it. Could you at least update the OP with what we've agreed on ?

• Normal "At least" for Rognarrs
• Post-Timeskip key for Thragg that upgrades him above Post-Colossal Tech Jacket's At least Low 5-B, likely far higher, alongside Post-Resurrections Invincible, Allen's Final Evolution and Null sadly Battle Beast gets outscaled, unless the new comic gives us a fight with Null which would go incredibly hard scaling be damned
• Dividing Allen's PA into Pre-Evolutions/Post-Evolutions

Ok I'll drop the "likely higher" stuff for Dinosaurus for this CRT and just stick with "At least"

These are all fine except instead of Pre/Post evolutions it should be Pre-Evolutions | 1st evolution | 2nd evolution
Though none of the mods have replied to the follow ups to the 100x boost justification so I'll wait for their thoughts on that. I also forgot to add that if that's accepted there would still be likely far higher attached as the 100x is just a higher limit for the suit's max known capacity, so the boost going beyond that and experiencing evolution would still warrant that being added.

We need a different CRT for all the robot stuff. I just wanted to add the LS so we don't have the value left as unknown on the profile

@Maverick_Zero_X @Qawsedf234 thoughts on these??

 

[That_moron2]

@Maverick_Zero_X @Qawsedf234 thoughts on these??

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[FusionPrime0]

You can't ping unless you are staff

oh sorry I didn't know