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I just wanted to know because its like his weakness was due to the affection of his Tumor which i dont know if it's a weakness at all
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Is there any possibility that Hajun (KKK) could be high outerversal?
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You can't be High 1-A via sheer power, so Hajun being infinties of infinities above 1-As is meaningless.
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whats the reason why he isnt high 1-ASaikou The Lewd King said:
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I think we have been over this a couple of times, hajun is plagued with too many weaknesses to be considered high 1-A. His weaknesses apparently are too major for him to be high 1-A, to be high 1-A you have to only have some minor weakness, i mean it's just one step away from being truly boundless after all.
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Celestial Pegasus said:
Wouldnt his powers be comparable to a high 1-A even tho he has weakness? Like the reason why he had weakness in the first place was because of his own nature and role. Hadou gods like reinhard can eat souls and gets stronger but for hajun it extracts from him.
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A High 1-A would be tier 0 if not for the presence of another being above them, think of Tier 0 as just a High 1-A with no apparent weakness or just the strongest High 1-A in their verse.
A tier 0 is absolutely above everything, and has no limitations, and being infinitely above a 1-A won't make you High 1-A, it's the same as 1-A and High 1-B, infinities doesn't get you from High 1-B to 1-A, you have to completely transcend all dimensional levels to be 1-A.
High 1-A is the same, you have to transcend the 1-A scale to a massive degree, the gap between 1-A and High 1-B is greater than the gap between High 1-B and 11-C. A High 1-A is as powerful than the gap between 1-A and 11-C.
A High 1-A is only restricted by a tier 0, you basically can't be a High 1-A without that, well think of it like this if you are High 1-A either a tier 0 is above you or you would be tier 0 but you aren't "limitless" in some minor area.
Hajun's weaknesses are too massive apparently to make him High 1-A (I say apparently cause just going off what i have heard, didn't follow the previous discussions), imagine if Hajun was tier 0 for arguments sake, can you imagine a Tier 0 being in anyway affected by characters so far below their level like a 1-A? For a tier 0, such weaknesses shouldn't exist, apply the same logic to High 1-A, as a High 1-A is just a tier 0 with some minor limitations or a stronger High 1-A which is basically a tier 0, above them.
A tier 0 is absolutely above everything, and has no limitations, and being infinitely above a 1-A won't make you High 1-A, it's the same as 1-A and High 1-B, infinities doesn't get you from High 1-B to 1-A, you have to completely transcend all dimensional levels to be 1-A.
High 1-A is the same, you have to transcend the 1-A scale to a massive degree, the gap between 1-A and High 1-B is greater than the gap between High 1-B and 11-C. A High 1-A is as powerful than the gap between 1-A and 11-C.
A High 1-A is only restricted by a tier 0, you basically can't be a High 1-A without that, well think of it like this if you are High 1-A either a tier 0 is above you or you would be tier 0 but you aren't "limitless" in some minor area.
Hajun's weaknesses are too massive apparently to make him High 1-A (I say apparently cause just going off what i have heard, didn't follow the previous discussions), imagine if Hajun was tier 0 for arguments sake, can you imagine a Tier 0 being in anyway affected by characters so far below their level like a 1-A? For a tier 0, such weaknesses shouldn't exist, apply the same logic to High 1-A, as a High 1-A is just a tier 0 with some minor limitations or a stronger High 1-A which is basically a tier 0, above them.
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The weaknesses belongs to his second key
His first key is immensely superior to his second key
Those weaknesses do jack shit to his power. The only weakness he has is Tumor weakness.
Having infinite souls clinging to him, while does weakens him does nothing to his power levelu. He's still considered the top dog god, with an immeasurable Taikyoku.
Yakou goes so far to say that dethroning Hajun is impossible with mere power. Rather, they went through different steps, weakening him, to win
I don't see even the point of that note
His first key is immensely superior to his second key
Those weaknesses do jack shit to his power. The only weakness he has is Tumor weakness.
Having infinite souls clinging to him, while does weakens him does nothing to his power levelu. He's still considered the top dog god, with an immeasurable Taikyoku.
Yakou goes so far to say that dethroning Hajun is impossible with mere power. Rather, they went through different steps, weakening him, to win
I don't see even the point of that note
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>Hajun's weaknesses are too massive apparently to make him High 1-A
We are heavily contradicting ourselves with this. The only true weakness Hajun has is Tumor. Anything else doesn't impact him or has an important effect on him.
His ability to not use the Gods Throne Records is just because of how he works.
His arrogance isn't a weakness for goddamn sake. It should be removed from him as it doesn't even impact him or anything.
Him getting weaker due to infinite souls clinging to him, is like i said, pretty much nothing but a slight hinder to him. Even after becoming a Throne and being connected to such amount of souls, he's continously stated to be the strongest god, and forever the strongest. Hajun pratically holds the number one spot and no one can remove him from that spot
The cast beating him required many steps, all of which weakens him. Keishirou and Sakuya breaking his own perfect law (something that wouldn't happen if he wasn't the Throne God), creating a slight wound from which Habaki Sakagami (The only one who could compete against him, as Yakou states that no one but Sakagami is capable of coming close to Hajun due to Sakagami nature). The cast also made sure to remove every single soul close to the Throne.
All of this steps, while good, had great impact apart from Keishirou and Sakuya's. It's because of them, Habaki could extract the Tumor and is its power to overpower Hajun himself.
Do note all of this was Throne Hajun who is <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Hajun without Throne
Either way, both of these versions are incapable of being beaten unless you exploit their weakness that is the Tumor. Put them against infinite amount of 1-As, and he would stomp them just by existing. Have infinite 1-A "superior to him in power" and he would stomp them since no one is above him in sheer quality
We are heavily contradicting ourselves with this. The only true weakness Hajun has is Tumor. Anything else doesn't impact him or has an important effect on him.
His ability to not use the Gods Throne Records is just because of how he works.
His arrogance isn't a weakness for goddamn sake. It should be removed from him as it doesn't even impact him or anything.
Him getting weaker due to infinite souls clinging to him, is like i said, pretty much nothing but a slight hinder to him. Even after becoming a Throne and being connected to such amount of souls, he's continously stated to be the strongest god, and forever the strongest. Hajun pratically holds the number one spot and no one can remove him from that spot
The cast beating him required many steps, all of which weakens him. Keishirou and Sakuya breaking his own perfect law (something that wouldn't happen if he wasn't the Throne God), creating a slight wound from which Habaki Sakagami (The only one who could compete against him, as Yakou states that no one but Sakagami is capable of coming close to Hajun due to Sakagami nature). The cast also made sure to remove every single soul close to the Throne.
All of this steps, while good, had great impact apart from Keishirou and Sakuya's. It's because of them, Habaki could extract the Tumor and is its power to overpower Hajun himself.
Do note all of this was Throne Hajun who is <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Hajun without Throne
Either way, both of these versions are incapable of being beaten unless you exploit their weakness that is the Tumor. Put them against infinite amount of 1-As, and he would stomp them just by existing. Have infinite 1-A "superior to him in power" and he would stomp them since no one is above him in sheer quality
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Well, the problem is that Featherine, Yog-Sothoth, and The Law Of Identity couldn't be weakened in the first place, as they are essentially boundless, and simply being relatively infinitely stronger than another 1-A does not remotely qualify a character for a High 1-A rating. It is an extremely hard tier to get into.
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Yes, those weakness and all of that applies to his second key (Throne God). His first key (Without Throne), is not only immensely superior but also doesn't have the same weaknesses.
Also not getting it, Hajun isn't infinitely stronger than other 1-As. He's the strongest and there's no such thing as someone stronger than Hajun (That is with Tumor of course).
Hell, Tenma Yato, when comparing him to Hajun, is like comparing a mere human to a god.
Also not getting it, Hajun isn't infinitely stronger than other 1-As. He's the strongest and there's no such thing as someone stronger than Hajun (That is with Tumor of course).
Hell, Tenma Yato, when comparing him to Hajun, is like comparing a mere human to a god.
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Don't know much about Masadaverse, but a little while ago I remember a character being downgraded from tier 0 to High 1-A with her only weakness being that she didn't know the limit of her own power.
If Hajun is in a similar possition as that in his own verse then his current tier would be questionable.
If Hajun is in a similar possition as that in his own verse then his current tier would be questionable.
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This character. My problems with High 1-A Hajun is that he's: 1- Still Bound to the Taikyoku system 2- Even if his Throneless state doesn't have the weaknesses, he still managed to get those weaknesses by assuming the throneYungManzi said:
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Actually, Hajun already breaks the system. Being the only one with an unquantifiable Taikyoku rather than a "set number".
And? Those weaknesses still fall under his Throne self, whether he gets them from assuming Throne or not doesn't matter. Those belongs to his second key, not his Throneless one which doesn't even contain them
And? Those weaknesses still fall under his Throne self, whether he gets them from assuming Throne or not doesn't matter. Those belongs to his second key, not his Throneless one which doesn't even contain them
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Reincarnating the Tumor using Marie Law, after Reinhard Heydrich managed to find out of its existence (Albeit he died the moment he got close to Hajun). The next was just them fighting with them taking Hajun but at the cost of their lives with a very injured Mercurius.DMB 1 said:
Another "route" to this fight just ends up in a murder stomp by Hajun himself. Who one shotted each of them with a single casual attack while treating them as nothing but bugs and ants.
confirms that Hajun is still a "software" in comparison to the Throne being the "hardware". The Throne itself is still bound to the Taikyoku system.
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Taikyoku is nothing to Hajun tho. In fact when he used all hadou gods own power he treats their taikyokus as mere aspect. So he isnt really bound by them.Dziga said:
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If they extracted the tumor wouldnt that still not be outerversal? Cuz how can your power be drained if youre nigh omniALRF said:
Naraka says otherwise.
Why does people keep trying to mess with a lonely child? All Hajun wanted was to be alone. Leave him alone.
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do u put him at high 1-A cuz basing fromm all your comments it seems u want toALRF said:
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If he isnt high 1-A where do u put him amongst the strongest 1-A?ALRF said:
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O really? Because I thought he would not be in top 30 because the likes of Bernkastel And Lambdadelta, and many beings from cthulu or UminekoALRF said:
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who's Naraka?Dannyphantom678 said:
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In any case, treating other 1-A characters as bugs is nowhere near enough to be considered as High 1-A, and a true High 1-A character could never have been weakened in the first place, regardless of the process.
Perhaps we should close this thread?
Perhaps we should close this thread?
The admin of the Throne system. He controls everything within the Throne.Maxnumb231 said:
Please do. Hajun can't be High 1-A with such limitations.Antvasima said:
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