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Ishura Discussion Thread

Mele
"Hell, I wanna ask the same damn thing. In any case, my attacks aren't working anymore. If I gotta do this without destroying the city, then I can't try shooting up into the air and hitting Alus a bunch of times until he's buried in the dirt, neither. End up destroying the whole city right down to the bedrock that way. So I got nothing left," Mele replied.


Oh and I assume these were the good lightning speed statements?
There was a momentary flash of light. Following behind it came a roaring boom that split the sky.
Cheena knew this type of phenomenon.
Lightning...
The magic bullet of roaring lightning.
Firing off lightning itself, this bullet far surpassed the realm of mere musket fire in both range and destructive power. Even the flak tower, its iron supports covered by thick outer walls, was scorched in an instant.
Shalk jumped right as the murmur left his mouth. Immediately afterward, the flash of the magic lightning bullet pulverized the foundation of the bell tower into rubble.
Blinding light and searing heat, surpassing actual lightning itself. The delayed thunderclap tore through the sky.
Alus the Star Runner's magic lightning bullets were as fearsome as a dragon's breath.
 
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Gigi_4_life said:
Mele
"Hell, I wanna ask the same damn thing. In any case, my attacks aren't working anymore. If I gotta do this without destroying the city, then I can't try shooting up into the air and hitting Alus a bunch of times until he's buried in the dirt, neither. End up destroying the whole city right down to the bedrock that way. So I got nothing left," Mele replied.


Oh and I assume these were the good lightning speed statements?
There was a momentary flash of light. Following behind it came a roaring boom that split the sky.
Cheena knew this type of phenomenon.
Lightning...
The magic bullet of roaring lightning.
Firing off lightning itself, this bullet far surpassed the realm of mere musket fire in both range and destructive power. Even the flak tower, its iron supports covered by thick outer walls, was scorched in an instant.
Shalk jumped right as the murmur left his mouth. Immediately afterward, the flash of the magic lightning bullet pulverized the foundation of the bell tower into rubble.
Blinding light and searing heat, surpassing actual lightning itself. The delayed thunderclap tore through the sky.
Alus the Star Runner's magic lightning bullets were as fearsome as a dragon's breath.
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Yeah
 
Gigi_4_life said:
One of you asked for a Lucnoca statement and I think I accidentally found it while rereading the volume 8 fight

Volume 8 chapter 11

I also remember Keiso mentioned in one of the Q&As that Aureatia is probably bigger than Tokyo, I'll have to find it again some other time
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the link is lost, can you provide me a screenshot of the scan again
 
Forgot this existed, but volume 9 was damn good

Mestelexil vs Kia was darn good and wow they're both more OP than I thought, especially Mestelexil, like the way he managed to get past Kia's "Protect me from anything" was quite something, starting the fight with 3 nukes is also hilarious and he also survived "Die", yeah no Keiso was 100% smoking crack when he said Lucnoca can possibly kill it in a Q&A
 
Gigi_4_life said:
Forgot this existed, but volume 9 was damn good

Mestelexil vs Kia was darn good and wow they're both more OP than I thought, especially Mestelexil, like the way he managed to get past Kia's "Protect me from anything" was quite something, starting the fight with 3 nukes is also hilarious and he also survived "Die", yeah no Keiso was 100% smoking crack when he said Lucnoca can possibly kill it in a Q&A
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I wonder if Lucnoa's breath would perma immobilize Mestelexil in a state where it can't regenerate hmm. Sort of like an incap?
 
Read the first match between toroa and psianop, honestly a great fight to kick off the tournament. Really liked how even though toroa was on the back foot he was still able to press psianop to even using up his lifespan. And he didn’t kill him, the slime gets points for that in my book
 
The_one_you_least_expect said:
Read the first match between toroa and psianop, honestly a great fight to kick off the tournament. Really liked how even though toroa was on the back foot he was still able to press psianop to even using up his lifespan. And he didn’t kill him, the slime gets points for that in my book
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Yeah it was a great fight

What are your predictions for the other matches?
 
Finished vol 3, great fight showings from alus and luncona, I was lowkey bouncing between who I wanted to come out on top tbh. I’m happy that alus was the first warrior in history to press luncona to seemly her limit. I lowkey hope bro is still alive somehow. I also liked hareagen and alus’s backstory. Luncona is just a fun character tbh. Time to head on to vol 4
 
We really need to make pages for the other Shura, and even the ones that have pages are really outdated

I said I would work on a Lucnoca page but Uni has been kicking my ass, but I’m done in 2 days, so I’ll definitely work on it then, hopefully I’ll get it done by Christmas
 
This is the statment im referring to btw
He was practically invincible. "...Greatshield of the Dead." "Groooaaah...! Star Runneeerrr...!" "


One more."


Alus immediately vanished. Not even a flap of his wings could be seen in his high-speed flight. Moving too fast even to leave a shadow behind, there came a blinding flash of light.


Fsshhhrk. The horrifying noise of something burning persisted.


Harghent wondered if it had been a sword.


Supposing the non-minia wyvern had the technique to instantly unsheathe


a sword in the blink of an eye. Supposing the sword itself had a grand blade of light, too grand to ever be sheathed. Supposing said sword of light cauterized the impenetrable scales of Vikeon the Smoldering and that it was possible for it to split the dragon in two, then yes, it was a sword.
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- vol 1 chapter 6
 
I think this is more hype than legit, especially with him kinda reaching above bullet speed in a later chapters with his flight. we do have a ftl feat tho

I gotta get back to fixing some things and finishing the profiles
 
PowerToScale said:
I think this is more hype than legit, especially with him kinda reaching above bullet speed in a later chapters with his flight. we do have a ftl feat tho

I gotta get back to fixing some things and finishing the profiles
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Yeah I agree, though I’d say the FTL feat is an outlier since nothing ever comes close to that again (and while Dakai’s perception speed is certainly very high among the verse, it simply can’t be that high)

I did make a little google doc where I basically found every speed feat in the series, I’d say most Shuras are in the supersonic ranges of combat speed while Shalk and Mele (the speed of his arrows) are high hypersonic due to the calc someone made for volume 2

Want me to share the scans I collected?
 
Gigi_4_life said:
Yeah I agree, though I’d say the FTL feat is an outlier since nothing ever comes close to that again (and while Dakai’s perception speed is certainly very high among the verse, it simply can’t be that high)

I did make a little google doc where I basically found every speed feat in the series, I’d say most Shuras are in the supersonic ranges of combat speed while Shalk and Mele (the speed of his arrows) are high hypersonic due to the calc someone made for volume 2

Want me to share the scans I collected?
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If you want, would be cool to have it all listed

I know as other have listed Shalk is a little faster than lightnin, and through QnA with the author only Soujirou and a couple of others are in the same realm of speed.

I have a couple of feats that need eval tho. But gotta get the word arts and Visitor physiology pages done,
 
PowerToScale said:
If you want, would be cool to have it all listed

I know as other have listed Shalk is a little faster than lightnin, and through QnA with the author only Soujirou and a couple of others are in the same realm of speed.

I have a couple of feats that need eval tho. But gotta get the word arts and Visitor physiology pages done,
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We need to prove that the lightning bullets are truly going at the speed of lightning to say that Shalk is at that level of speed ngl and yes the Q&As state that only Lucnoca, Psianop, Soujirou and a volume 10 character can directly respond to Shalk’s attacks, but of course that would only apply to their combat and reaction speed, since their movement speed is far slower (ex: Soujirou’s movement speed is right below Uhak’s, who’s volume 9 feat is subsonic)
The Shuras that are confirmed to have supersonic movement speed would be Shalk, Alus, Lucnoca and Mestelexil (since Mestelexil has a supersonic statement when he’s flying and he’s below the other three in the movement speed ranking)

I’ll send you the doc tomorrow night, but do you want me to not include volume 10 stuff? Because I know the official translation hasn’t been released yet and so I assume you haven’t read it
 
Gigi_4_life said:
We need to prove that the lightning bullets are truly going at the speed of lightning to say that Shalk is at that level of speed ngl and yes the Q&As state that only Lucnoca, Psianop, Soujirou and a volume 10 character can directly respond to Shalk’s attacks, but of course that would only apply to their combat and reaction speed, since their movement speed is far slower (ex: Soujirou’s movement speed is right below Uhak’s, who’s volume 9 feat is subsonic)
The Shuras that are confirmed to have supersonic movement speed would be Shalk, Alus, Lucnoca and Mestelexil (since Mestelexil has a supersonic statement when he’s flying and he’s below the other three in the movement speed ranking)
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theres like 3 statements of it being the same if not better than the real thing
 
PowerToScale said:
I think this is more hype than legit, especially with him kinda reaching above bullet speed in a later chapters with his flight. we do have a ftl feat tho

I gotta get back to fixing some things and finishing the profiles
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Not really, if it was this would be framed as a rumor or myth or they’d use a simile. If you want to say it’s an outlier that’s fine but this is pretty blatant
 
Gigi_4_life said:
Yeah I agree, though I’d say the FTL feat is an outlier since nothing ever comes close to that again (and while Dakai’s perception speed is certainly very high among the verse, it simply can’t be that high)

I did make a little google doc where I basically found every speed feat in the series, I’d say most Shuras are in the supersonic ranges of combat speed while Shalk and Mele (the speed of his arrows) are high hypersonic due to the calc someone made for volume 2

Want me to share the scans I collected?
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Not really, I haven’t read all of the novels yet(including vol 1-2 since I just watched the anime) but Kia straight up reacts to the cold star which im pretty sure was stated to use sunlight as its weapon and I’m pretty sure Mestelexil reacted to similar lasers in his test fight. You could also argue sojiro reacting to the laser when fighting the najang golem
 
The_one_you_least_expect said:
Not really, I haven’t read all of the novels yet(including vol 1-2 since I just watched the anime) but Kia straight up reacts to the cold star which im pretty sure was stated to use sunlight as its weapon and I’m pretty sure Mestelexil reacted to similar lasers in his test fight. You could also argue sojiro reacting to the laser when fighting the najang golem
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I don’t think the Cold Star is SoL when it’s been used against supersonic characters

Literally every speed feat from Shuras are supersonic things, I don’t think we should consider the Cold Star or lasers to be SoL until they are stated as such in the story, supersonic is much more consistent within the story

Also, Kia is Kia… speed isn’t really relevant for her and same with Nastique lol
 
Gigi_4_life said:
I don’t think the Cold Star is SoL when it’s been used against supersonic characters

Literally every speed feat from Shuras are supersonic things, I don’t think we should consider the Cold Star or lasers to be SoL until they are stated as such in the story, supersonic is much more consistent within the story

Also, Kia is Kia… speed isn’t really relevant for her and same with Nastique lol
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If a character dodges a light beam that makes them far faster then supersonic.

I just named multiple that are far higher then supersonic, even you recognized dakai’s perception speed to be higher then what you’d expect for the verse. what you believe to be more constant is irrelevant, trying to undercut clear cut speed feats as not being SoL even when there stated to be rays, beams of lights and etc is just being disingenuous. If you want to label them outliers fine. But trying to say the versus speed of light is somehow slower because you want to uphold your view of the series speed scaling is a terrible argument.

Maybe there’s info that idk about but she’s very much a glass cannon so idk about all that.
 
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The_one_you_least_expect said:
If a character dodges a light beam that makes them far faster then supersonic.

I just named multiple that are far higher then supersonic, even you recognized dakai’s perception speed to be higher then what you’d expect for the verse. what you believe to be more constant is irrelevant, trying to undercut clear cut speed feats as not being SoL even when there stated to be rays, beams of lights and etc is just being disingenuous. If you want to label them outliers fine. But trying to say the versus speed of light is somehow slower because you want to uphold your view of the series speed scaling is a terrible argument.

Maybe there’s info that idk about but she’s very much a glass cannon so idk about all that.
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I’ll respond tonight because I’m a bit busy right now!
 
realistically the characters are probably high tier 8 as well. It seems like scaling in this series is weird tho. Like do you downscale everyone from Mele and Lucnoa?
 
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