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Ishura Discussion Thread

Blackcurrant91 said:
realistically the characters are probably high tier 8 as well. It seems like scaling in this series is weird tho. Like do you downscale everyone from Mele and Lucnoa?
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Lucnoca seems to be city level+ no?

It’s stated she can destroy every area of Aureatia at once (which a Q&A confirms is probably larger than Tokyo) and it’s explicitly stated and shown in volume 3 that she can withstand her own breath attacks, and there’s also another Q&A stating that Mestelexil’s only way of harming her would probably be through nukes, and Mele can pierce her scales after multiple shots (it’s stated in volume 7 that Sindikar’s shots are perhaps on par with Mele’s shots in power and Lucnoca deflected one blow with her wings but the shock was so strong she thought she wouldn’t be able to fly for a short time)

We can also probably calc the Cold Star to tier 7 based on volume 1 feats by the Nagan Golem and potentially destroying Lithia, and Nihilo could tank it, and it’s been stated in a Q&A that every combat Shura (except Shalk) can destroy Helneten (though Psianop wouldn’t count since he does it through dura neg)
 
Gigi_4_life said:
Lucnoca seems to be city level+ no?

It’s stated she can destroy every area of Aureatia at once (which a Q&A confirms is probably larger than Tokyo) and it’s explicitly stated and shown in volume 3 that she can withstand her own breath attacks, and there’s also another Q&A stating that Mestelexil’s only way of harming her would probably be through nukes, and Mele can pierce her scales after multiple shots (it’s stated in volume 7 that Sindikar’s shots are perhaps on par with Mele’s shots in power and Lucnoca deflected one blow with her wings but the shock was so strong she thought she wouldn’t be able to fly for a short time)

We can also probably calc the Cold Star to tier 7 based on volume 1 feats by the Nagan Golem and potentially destroying Lithia, and Nihilo could tank it, and it’s been stated in a Q&A that every combat Shura (except Shalk) can destroy Helneten (though Psianop wouldn’t count since he does it through dura neg)
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With her breath yeh.
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
realistically the characters are probably high tier 8 as well. It seems like scaling in this series is weird tho. Like do you downscale everyone from Mele and Lucnoa?
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Realistically that depends on the shura, not everyone is going to directly scale to the likes of lucnoa,mele or Atrazek. The series from what I’ve seen thus far is kinda like Naruto in the sense that being stronger or just as strong as somebody doesn’t inherently mean you scale to there stats or hax.
 
Lucnoa is stated to be the outright strongest being in the verse, the only times I can remember her being hurt is via the luminous sword by Alus which itself I think it stated to be the strongest sword in the verse and by dura neg via the slime. Unless I am missing something
 
PowerToScale said:
Lucnoa is stated to be the outright strongest being in the verse, the only times I can remember her being hurt is via the luminous sword by Alus which itself I think it stated to be the strongest sword in the verse and by dura neg via the slime. Unless I am missing something
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Yes Lucnoa is the 'strongest creature' like no one even really debates it. Everyone in the verse basically accepts shes the most powerful being in the world and the tournament.
 
Finished the 3rd match, nobody dies again which I’m fine with. Sojiurio’s gut instinct and swordsmanship is always interesting to see. Ozonezma is a pretty interesting character, I wasn’t expecting bro to pull out shiki’s hand mid fight. Though sojirurio overcoming or accepting the terror was kinda weirdly explained. And ozonezma giving up the match due to his insanity was unexpected. The match overall I don’t think was as good as the other two but still pretty solid
 
PowerToScale said:
Lucnoa is stated to be the outright strongest being in the verse, the only times I can remember her being hurt is via the luminous sword by Alus which itself I think it stated to be the strongest sword in the verse and by dura neg via the slime. Unless I am missing something
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Yes, I'd say Lucnoca is the "strongest" character in Ishura in the traditional sense, she only loses to the hax merchants so if I had to rank the verse I'd put her in 6th place

In the season 2 blue-ray side story, she has a small scratch on her neck after fighting and killing a fellow Dragon (Ester the Blooming White) that challenged her, it's not exactly clear how strong Ester is, from Q&As we know his breath isn't effective in combat against other Dragons (because his breath creates swords) and that he's a "fairly strong karate user"

We also know a bit about some other Dragons from Q&As that Lucnoca briefly mentioned in volume 7 (the strongest Dragons she fought)

Exeno the Infinite Skies had a fire breath, is said to be the second strongest Dragon in history and had over 10 Dragons under his command. He was stated to be on the same level as Alus, he was so strong that he managed to escape from Lucnoca during their fight, but died from his wounds shortly after

Diagin the Scale Piercer is a Dragon serial killer. His Dragon Breath can heal wounds and so he experimented on other Dragons and tortured them until he found a way to dura neg Dragon scales

ok mb for the random yapping
 
So how would we deal with the different values? Is it a case where the power of her breath varies on the output? and thus it would be like 'Varies; from 7-C to High 7-A, 6-B at maximum output? Or would it be like 'High 7-A, likely 6-B'? im thinking the later.
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
So how would we deal with the different values? Is it a case where the power of her breath varies on the output? and thus it would be like 'Varies; from 7-C to High 7-A, 6-B at maximum output? Or would it be like 'High 7-A, likely 6-B'? im thinking the later.
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I think just list it as up to 6-B, varies would be to convoluted for it, plus the calc would link the lower values anyways, so

x tier, up to 6-B via ice
 
PowerToScale said:
I think just list it as up to 6-B, varies would be to convoluted for it, plus the calc would link the lower values anyways, so

x tier, up to 6-B via ice
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Im cool with that. It does seem as though everyone accepts that she could destroy Auretia in a single breath if she just decided to do so and that she holds back generally.
 
Finished match four, I both loved and hated it. I loved it for ela’s power move and rosclay the fraud getting tossed around like he was nothing. And for the ending with elea stepping in to stop Kia from being traumatized any further. But I hated it because of the amount of BS luck Rosclay had on his side along with those fanatic fans and the referee. Really unique match can’t wait for the next match up
 
Finished match five, another good and unquie “match” if you could even really call it that. Kuze has become one of my favorite characters, but bro planning on sliming out a child is crazy work. Tu’s also just a saint I hope she can in some way “save” kuze or something and get her wish. Also rip Rique, you will be missed
 
This is also all the LS speed stuff I’ve found so far

It uses sunlight as its weapon
"We've known each other a long time. I've simply come to understand your preferred methods of playing tricks on me. You've retrieved what I requested from Nagan, then?"


"I wouldn't be back if I hadn't."


Despite wearing a fully formal outfit, similar in style to a butler's, the young man wore no shoes. He was completely barefoot.


Rudely sitting down on top of one of the desks, he tossed something Taren's way. Big enough to fit in two hands, the item, with its built-in crystal lens, served an unknown purpose.


"This is what you wanted, right?"


Undoubtedly. It fits the records' description of the Cold Star perfectly. Your resourcefulness is second to none, Dakai." Personnel wasn't all the New Principality was after. They required weapons like this one, as well.


While Lana the Moon Tempest's recon unit scoured the land for elite soldiers, Dakai the Magpie was tasked with hunting down these sorts of abnormal magic items, enchanted swords and tools that had yet to be scooped up in the arms of Alus the Star Runner. Weapons that would have tremendous influence over the anticipated war, outshining even the powers of Word Arts.


"So what kind of nasty business is this thing, then?"


"A magic item from records far before the age of the True Demon King. Light from the sun that's passed through the central crystal and built up over years...gets converted to an explosive beam capable of bombarding an entire city. I saw that the self-proclaimed Demon King Kiyazuna used it as one of the power sources for the Great Labyrinth, and it looks like I was right on the money."


"Ha-ha. Frightening stuff."
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-Vol 1 p96

Cold stars blast is described as light
"Co0000000_


"


......!"


The fierce centrifugal force launched Soujirou and the whole golem horde up into the deadly open air. For just a single minia, the vast difference in the scale of the attack made it impossible for him to outdo it with unbelievable speed or technique.


"LIII_


- Luuuaaaaaaa.


"


The Dungeon Golem's howl was clearly distinct from its previous bellowing roars, which had lacked a brass tone.


The complex mesh of stone and iron that formed its chest armor had opened wide, and the light from the molten steel boiling inside, supernaturally blue, brightly illuminated the remains of Nagan.


"Luulaaal lel leee. Luolaue eeolu." (From Nagan to the heart of Naganerla. Light the night as the day.)


Yuno, together with a kind of resignation, watched the ending before her.


...Oh. There it is.


It was the light that had burned Nagan to the ground.


The Dungeon Golem was a weapon the self-proclaimed Demon King Kiyazuna had devoted all their skill and magic to creating, built to defeat the True Demon King. It could think, deal with the incomprehensible martial mastery of Soujirou, and its intelligence even allowed it to use Thermal Arts.


The metallic brass tone was an incantation.


"Lea lelooro. Looau luuado. Leeo luouu-laaa." (Passing high clouds.


Edge of heaven and earth. Overflowing great seas—burn.)


A flash of destruction, and flames pierced the heavens.


The light's trajectory split the clouds like an open maw.
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-vol 1 p33

The cold stars blast is specifically referred to as a beam of light
it? Though...l doubt your brain's even developed enough for an emotion like that!"


...The Cold Star, huh..?"


If he had the city-leveling beam of light or a dragon's destructive breath attack, he could've swept Regnejee's whole army away at once.


The claws and guns urged him on.


Alus evaded the attacks, using the recoil from Kio's Hand like a second tail. Although unable to catch and pull in midair enemies, by utilizing it this way, he was able to freely change his direction mid-flight.


"...Kekexy ko khar." (From Regnejee to Lithia's winds.)


Then, in the midst of his sudden evasive actions, something resembling small pieces of coal spilled out from Alus's urn and fell down to the New Principality streets below. It was an attack of his own.


"Even without it..."


Flames rose up below his eyes.


"Kent kakor." (Returning mirror plate.)


...I can still wipe out a country, Ground Runner."


The line of flames ran a direct path forward.


Regnejee looked down at what was happening. The charcoal that Alus was dumping below, bright fireballs that ran through the streets at high speeds, was spreading throughout the city. It was another of Alus the Star Runner's magic items and one he had kept secret in Mage City.


Flames that seemed to travel of their own volition, growing stronger as they fanned out over the city. Its name was Ground Runner.
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-Vol 1 p292

His thermal arts are described as light
military force. As the glaring gaps between trained soldiers and amateurs were evident among minia, so, too, was the difference in fighting strength between the two wyvern flocks clear from the start.


The wild wyverns that led their group forward to challenge the soldiers, despite their overwhelming advantage in numbers, had their necks severed by the soldiers, whose advance remained unhindered.


Some of the feral wyverns ignored the soldiers entirely and tried to eat the people on the ground. In the middle of their descent, they were attacked from their blind spot overhead, falling to the ground with their skulls gouged out.


A flash of conical red light wove multiple times through the flock.


Wyverns along the flash's trajectory burned up and dropped to the ground, and though the giant clumped-together flock slowly fragmented, there were only feral wyverns falling from the sky. It was precisely managed Word Arts, performed at the speed of battle.


"That red light? That's Regnejee's Thermal Arts." ...ls Master Regnejee a wyvern?"


"Yeah. There's always a leader in every wyvern flock. Regnejee's theirs."


"I've been thinking he seems to be the very cautious type, yes? He's always within a close-order formation and manages to keep his exact position hidden."


...Higuare, you haven't looked outside the carriage at all, right?"


"That's right. I could tell by the sound."


Only the flowers scattered across the quietly seated mandrake's body showed any movement.


"Anyway, with them protecting us, the New Principality's defenses-
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-vol 1 p58

Again they are described as light and it is specifically mentioned it is the light that burns his target

"


...We are provided sufficient provisions for our work as guardians of Lithia. As compensation! I'll say it so that even the fools among you will understand! Eating Lithia citizens! Damaging Taren the Punished's trust! High treason! These are the things that will lead to this whole swarm's starvation! Vice Captain of the Southern Column Lukwel, if you have anything to say for yourself, you'd better say it now!"


"Krrrnnn..."


The vice captain crooned indistinctly while slowly blinking. Peculiarly, some number of the wyverns had the same suspicious look about them. Although intelligence level varied from wyvern to wyvern, there was a bizarre atmosphere among Regnejee's troops.


"Krrrnnn...... Mrrr..."


"Kekxy ko khart. Kent kakor. Kokett korp." (From Regnejee to Lithia winds. Return mirror plate. Encumbered sun.)


Without a single word of warning, Regnejee began incanting Word Arts. An unseen fear circulated through the wyverns. Their leader's spell signaled an execution.


"Kokaitok!" (Shine!)


"Krwaaaah!"


A conical red light appeared in the empty air and burned the wyvern from three directions at once.


The one scalded was not Vice Captain Lukwel, however, but instead the wyvern informant who'd first accused the vice captain.


"_!”


Before the informant could even spit in contempt, Regnejee grabbed them in his claws and pushed them down to the ground.
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"Did you think to mislead my own investigation?! Scum! Traitorous scum!"


The moment the light from the Thermal Arts touched the wyvern, their skin was seared, cooking the inner flesh, when—


"Aah... Look! All of you look! Bear witness to the end of this fool who betrayed us!"


Regnejee's claws mercilessly rent the informant's stomach.


The reason this peculiar wyvern, with his unimpressive build, had gained control of the flock was not solely due to his inherent intelligence and proficiency for Word Arts to overpower others.


"Scum who eat Lithia citizens... People eaters are punished by death!


No exceptions! Capital punishment! Execution!"


A chunk of bloody meat, torn out from the living wyvern's stomach, was raised into the air. It was the half-digested arm of a child.


Regnejee's eyes glared through his clouded nictitating membrane at the speechless flock.


Then, suddenly, there came a disquieting noise of wingbeats.


One thing was certain. These wings did not belong to any of the wyverns.


"One year..this filth was added to our swarm one year ago! Not enough treatment! All the others who joined at the same time will undergo treatment again! No more cracks in discipline! Never again!"


Within Regnejee lurked a harshness that bordered on insanity. A reign of terror that accompanied very little tolerance for insubordination. That was the real power that elevated Regnejee the Wings of Sunset to his position at the top.
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-vol 1 p109-110

Alus moves so fast he dosen’t even leave behind a shadow

...One more."


Alus immediately vanished. Not even a flap of his wings could be seen in his high-speed flight.


Moving too fast even to leave a shadow behind, there came a blinding flash of light.


Fsshhhrrk. The horrifying noise of something burning persisted.


Harghent wondered if it had been a sword.


Supposing the non-minia wyvern had the technique to instantly unsheathe a sword in the blink of an eye. Supposing the sword itself had a grand blade of light, too grand to ever be sheathed. Supposing said sword of light cauterized the impenetrable scales of Vikeon the Smoldering and that it was possible for it to split the dragon in two, then yes, it was a sword.


"Hillensingen the Luminous Blade."


The legendary dragon was cleanly bisected, nothing but two wasted chunks of burning flesh on the ground.


Harghent wanted to say he was incredible.
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-vol 1 p88

Alus dodges Regnjee’s thermal arts which is literally referred to as a beam of light

Alus avoided the red light of Regnejee's Thermal Arts. A bullet tore a section of his wing. It was a premediated hit—to create a second to shift to the offensive. He began moving into his stance to let his sword fly.


"Trembling Bird..!"


With a shrill, piercing scream, the enchanted sword flew off. A section of Regnejee's swarm responded immediately and intercepted the enchanted sword with their claws. The blade changed its arc in midair after being brought down and returned to Alus's hand.


It was clear from the group's immediate response that they were trying to capture the enchanted sword for themselves. Alus decided it was best to avoid using Trembling Bird recklessly during the fight.


"Kokket korp. Kokaito." (Stringed sun. Shine.)


A tapered red light.


Regnejee again completed his incantation. Alus dodged the deadly light beam.


He couldn't afford to take a single direct hit. He simultaneously needed to pay attention to the flow of battle and the enemy force itself, close to a hundred strong, and couldn't afford to lose focus...


"


Alus produced a small magic tool, resembling an urn.


The wyvern soldiers' saturation attack continued mercilessly, constantly forcing Alus to deal with every assault levied against him.


As a collective, the soldiers experienced no fatigue. They wouldn't stop until Alus was dead.


"Having too much trouble to talk now, huh?" Regnejee taunted.


"Alus. Three-Armed Alus. You want the Cold Star? Kwah, ha. Let me try guessing what you're thinking. You're thinking how if you just had that Cold Star in your hands right now, aren't you? Frustrating, isn't
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-Vol 1 p291

Reacted in the last nanosecond to strike Soujirou

Both of them had the inkling that the war was already over. That there wasn't a single reason to risk it all in this life-and-death gamble.


"I'll have plenty of time to play with you, too, once this is over." Soujirou readied his sword. Like the fencers of the Beyond, he bent his wrist and pointed his long sword straight toward his opponent, his left hand affixed to the pommel. It was a peculiar stance.


Conversely, Dakai remained motionless. In a close-range fight with another minia, his otherworldly and exceptional observational abilities, as well as the Cold Star embodying the ultimate counterattack, meant he needed no stance of his own.


One step.


Soujirou was the first to make his move.


Dakai's anomalous observational skills saw everything, down to the particles of dust kicked into the air. The blade's path was the exact thrust he expected from Soujirou's stance. He noted each individual movement from Soujirou as if taking a series of photographs. He picked up on the doings of Soujirou's left hand on the sword's pommel, artfully concealed under the blind spot created by the long thrusting motion of the sword.


His opponent's intentions, perceptions, he stole all of it. He then started piecing together a strategy based on his observations.


With his swordless left arm wrapped behind his back, he lay in wait for the deadly hit. Right before. Seconds before. Until those seconds dwindled to milliseconds, to nanoseconds, approaching zero.


Here it comes.


Soujirou's left hand smacked his pommel. Sent flying from his hand, the sword extended out slightly. Very, very slightly. The Magicked
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-vol 1 p350

Stopped the cold star blast after it was already fired

herself couldn't even be sure if it was actually blood or a mixture of the two.


"Haaa... Ha-ha."


After crawling up the final stair, Lana grabbed hold of what she had been after. The Cold Star. The dead bombardier continued holding it tightly, despite his body having been sliced in two, but she forcefully tore it away from the clutch of fingers strengthened by rigor mortis.


The magic item that spent many long years gathering sunlight in the Great Nagan Labyrinth. It was filled with enough power for one final shot. If Lana could use this -


...Lana, what are you doing?"


A voice from behind reprimanded her. It was Elea the Red Tag.


She was responsible for bringing the wielder of almighty Word Arts, the World Word, here to Lithia.


"Elea... It's okay. I'll do it."


Lana's voice trembled as she spoke.


It had to be this way.


The current scene before her was exactly what Taren had feared. It was the reason she'd decided to make the world her enemy.


The True Demon King was defeated, but the world was still filled with beings that shouldn't and couldn't continue to exist.


"I'll kill them all. This... It's just...it's so horrible. Monsters, all of them. I'll use the Cold Star to blow them all away and the whole city with them! Someone.s-someone has to do it, or it'll never end!"


"Lana...!"


Without waiting for Elea's next words, Lana pulled the trigger on the magic tool. The crystal lens fired a bright light, like the midday sun. It
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radiated out directly below to blow apart the central fortress, the city streets, and Lana herself altogether.


The light, and the destruction, rushed forward.


And then —


"Stop."


—it ceased.


The light from the Cold Star hung suspended in midair, gathered into a sphere.


Unable to advance any farther, the doom-bringing light stalled in the air. It was an impossible sight to bear witness to, one that twisted and bent the fabric of the world's reality.


"Scatter."


With a single word from the young girl, the city-leveling orb burst open, vanishing into thin air without destroying anything.


"No...n-no..."


Lana collapsed in despair.


How were people supposed to stand against power mighty enough to stop light itself?


Was there anyone in the land... able to kill the World Word, the embodiment of the world itself?


"Calm down, Lana. You're probably…..just so scared you can't think straight. The Lana I know isn't like this at all... Right?" the incomprehensible entity asked, acting as though she were a normal young girl.


Her face had the appearance of worry.


Even though despite her elf-child nature, her existence, her unlimited omnipotent power, was a sinister divinity given form.
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-vol 1 p328-329

Mestelexil reacts to light beams multiple times

He grabbed the end of its tail and attempted an even greater act of destruction.


Yet, without any warning, his spherical head was split vertically in two. Mestelexil staggered.


Thermic rays rained down from the sky, rending Mestelexil's head section. The armoring melted and sent a deep thermal scar down his back. The angel was radiating thermal light.


"Respikt io halese. Oumortmorp. Byaro woro. Kuqure it nostam.


Indersmostek." (From Respikt to Halesept's eyes. Bubbles floating in gold. End of waterway. Fill up the cavity. Burn.)


"Pfft, aha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!"


Mestelexil, his head partially destroyed, took the beam of light with his left arm. The armor blocked a majority of the heat, but its joint was burned through. Everything from the elbow down fell to the ground, and the continuous heat ray scorched his body even further.


"Th-this is noth-nothing! I am strongest! Ha-ha-ha! That is why, this does, not hurt! Not at all!"


"KRRERARRRREEEEEEEEEE!"


He needed to continue enduring the heat ray. It meant that this time, he was unable to stop the blow of Nemerhelga's weight coming down overhead. Its large head, slightly exceeding the size of its body, made a direct hit.


Going along with the accelerated momentum, Nemerhelga's jaws stabbed into the golem's body. Mestelexil laughed.


"Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha."


Nemerhelga's crushing jaws opened wide.


With vise-like strength, the golem's upper body was twisted off his lower half. The light of Thermal Arts, like fireworks, scattered from
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Suddenly, the armor reconstituted in midair —the armor that evade the spikes' path-split and fell to the ground.


There was a barrier that hadn't existed until the very moment the spikes launched. It formed right before the projectiles' impact.


"Respikt io halese. Uomortmorp. Byaro woro." (From Respikt to Halesept's eyes. Bubbles floating in gold.)


Mestelexil's eccentric incantation overlapped with Respikt's Word Arts, taking aim at him from above.


"Yupaiemnewox aonksnaoewam lastioowa sorwokma


zisardergodwe." (Hang from the bundled rotating mooring line remove the hollow empty hinge look again upon the mirage.)


"Kuqure it nostam. Indersmostek." (End of waterway. Fill up the cavity. Burn.)


The light of the heat rays poured down from above. He blocked it with an arm. As he defended himself from it, he stood with his right leg. The left leg supported his body. The scattered fragments of Mestelexil coalesced once more.


"Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!"


His incantation was one of Craft Arts. The once-demolished Mestelexil had reconstructed his own body, using his own Word Arts.


In addition, his regenerated armored body's construction changed to perfectly defend against Respikt's heat rays.


A thin layer, peeled off from the armoring's surface, gently floated to the ground.


"I--I-I am…..the strongest!"


The older gentlemen, looking at the battle from atop the cliff, gave a rigorous applause of honest admiration.
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"Re-certification complete. Father. Your orders."


"— vercomaub hangert waiuzpeunt winworpics urcstoct naferdert —"


(feeding on heat from the mire, should it become proof of sin anew, the binding of those two, several thousand -)


"


...Word Arts resonated.


There, at a single point along the reef, a small, embryonic life-form was being brought into existence.


Mestelexil should have been wholly driven offshore, including the homunculus body held within. The only explanation was that it had appeared out of nowhere.


Respikt chanted its Thermal Arts attack.


"Respikt io halese. Uomortmorp. Byaro woro." (From Respikt to Halesept's eyes. Bubbles floating in gold.)


The golem armor, formed in midair, blocked the heat rays. Just as it did before.


—It had already studied this attack. Its construction could now handle it. The attack wasn't effective.


"What in the world... What kind of mechanism— And how...?!"


"C'mon, that's easy, fool. Mestel can create Exil. Exil can create Mestel. Anywhere either one's voice can reach. Separate them as far as ya want, they'll come back from anywhere."


"They...they each formed each other's body, and instantly returned back to land... I would have never hypothesized anything like it... I-l can't believe it...!"
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PowerToScale said:
I think just list it as up to 6-B, varies would be to convoluted for it, plus the calc would link the lower values anyways, so

x tier, up to 6-B via ice
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Wouldn't she directly scale to her Breath attack? Since it's directly stated that she can tank her own breath attack

Why was she able to keep up her activity within this frozen hellscape, born from her own breath?
Why could she face the violent vortex gale, sucking everything into an air vacum, and not stir an inch?
It was because her body could endure it all.
Dragons were the only living creatures who could possibly survive the aftermath effects of their own dragon breath.
Save for a single young elf girl exception- The Word-Maker never bestowed Word Arts that the user's body couldn't handle.
 
Gigi_4_life said:
Wouldn't she directly scale to her Breath attack? Since it's directly stated that she can tank her own breath attack

Why was she able to keep up her activity within this frozen hellscape, born from her own breath?
Why could she face the violent vortex gale, sucking everything into an air vacum, and not stir an inch?
It was because her body could endure it all.
Dragons were the only living creatures who could possibly survive the aftermath effects of their own dragon breath.
Save for a single young elf girl exception- The Word-Maker never bestowed Word Arts that the user's body couldn't handle.
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Well then we get into circular scaling of everyone that has dealt chip damage to her scaling to 6-B. Im happy to scale the entire verse to that but it would end up with the Lightning Flute and Psianop scaling to 6-B and then Toroa etc etc.

To me I interpreted this as she could survive the hax portion of the after affects of her breath, as in she could survive in absoluite zero/an absolute vacuum, not that she tanked her own breath directly.
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
Well then we get into circular scaling of everyone that has dealt chip damage to her scaling to 6-B. Im happy to scale the entire verse to that but it would end up with the Lightning Flute and Psianop scaling to 6-B and then Toroa etc etc.
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I think the only characters that can directly harm her (outside of any hax users) are... Mele, Soujirou and probably Tu?
Blackcurrant91 said:
To me I interpreted this as she could survive the hax portion of the after affects of her breath, as in she could survive in absoluite zero/an absolute vacuum, not that she tanked her own breath directly.
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Fair enough, not clue where'd she scale without this though, since her calcs are for her breath only
 
Oh wait, thank god for the Q&As, Keiso said Mestelexil's only way of harming Lucncoca would be through nukes, so there's our tier for her (somewhere on the high end of tier 7?)
 
Going through Keiso's commentary for the anime episodes

This is the first time that "heat magic" is depicted in the story, so those who are watching the anime for the first time may think it's an outrageous technique, but heat magic is actually an everyday technique used to light a stove. It's just weird that the Nagant Labyrinth Demon is a demon who can use magic to wipe out cities, etc.
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Can this be used to say the Cold Star is tier 7? Well, in volume 1 the Nagant Golem also destroys clouds but I think that needs to be calculated
 
Went to the store yesterday and got vol 5 and 6 paperbacks, also found some more support of light speed stuff

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-vol 5

Idk if every volume has this as I don’t own all of them(yet)
 
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The_one_you_least_expect said:
Went to the store yesterday and got vol 5 and 6 paperbacks, also found some more support of light speed stuff

9961560-img_7354.jpeg

-vol 5

Idk if every volume has this as I don’t own all of them(yet)
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pretty sure this is in every volume. Plus slowly working on a explanation page so we can list all of the base abilities that come with each of them
 
Got around to finishing the 6 match up, and yet another surprising win. The fight itself went about as expected until the end with zegrila infecting exil with linairs virus. I ended up liking zegrila and mexistlexil more and liniars and Kate less tbh.
 
finally hopped back on ishura after falling of for but. I remember most things lucky so it was pretty easy to hope back into. Finished the seventh match

It was good though for me it was slightly spoiled by shalk having to use one of alus weapons to win. I still liked how mele basically had to predict all of shalks movements accurately to keep up and that they were both pressing each other to the limit. Even with shalks time in a bottle like speed. I'm also happy that mele didn't die(I'm honestly happy that none of the shura have died so far in the tournament, way to many interesting characters) and can be satisfied without dying like a battle sexual.
 
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